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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:25
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Grounded airline fears ash damage from quick return to flight
At least one airline grounded in the European areas affected by the volcanic ash cloud is worried that it might be pressured to fly again before the risk is over.
EasyJet has told Flight International that it is taking advice from Boeing, Airbus and the engine manufacturers about the risks involved in flying when there is still "residual" volcanic ash in the air because of the potential for damage to the aircraft engines.
Coded message translated to "we are going to be ramping up P2F due to loss of revenue!!!!"
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Sunny dorset

I am currently sat at my desk at home in a very sunny west dorset and i would say that everything is normal and that we might even have CAVOK on our hands because there is not a cloud insight and blue brilliant sky as far as i can see. We have had a few light aircraft overhead but nothing majour i guess that they are VFR?

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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:28
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There`s now a NOTAM out closing Amsterdam FIR untill midnight tonight.
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:34
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@ManOfMan

Where have you got that information from?
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:35
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Ash on London

The danger is definitely real, invisible to human eye but very tangible for radars and engines.
This is not over reaction, there was no alternative.
Friends from London have just confirmed to me that all cars this morning ,which were left parked outdoors overnight, are now covered by a thin layer of golden sand, obviously this is the ash from the volcano.
If you have a black car the ash is clearly visible on your car, go and check it out.

The main danger now is Katla, fingers crossed , it might get really serious if that one wakes up.
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splitduty,

As a retired airline pilot, I share your concern about this unprecedented action by NATS; taking the decision out of our hands. But I think this was probably government intervention, as said yesterday? No doubt, the readiness of the authorities to intervene has magnified since "9/11".

The spectre of numbers of 200-tonne gliders over built-up areas was probably too much. Once they have raised the alarm, which operator can tell if his insurer would pay up?

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interesting viewing off a Dutch website - was posted on a weather forum

Danmarks Miljøundersøgelser, Aarhus Universitet - Sådan spreder vulkan-skyen fra Island sig

btw anyone looked at the Jetstream forecast up till Wednesday ? doesn't look that great to my non-meterological eyes.
The problem with that graphic is twofold, it assumes a steady stream of high level ash from the volcano, which apparently is not the case.
Secondly it shows high density of ash over Europe (similar colour as straight from the volcano) spread over areas hundreds of times larger. Certainly it will spread out, and become much less dense.

The danger is definitely real, invisible to human eye but very tangible for radars and engines.
This is not over reaction, there was no alternative.
Friends from London have just confirmed to me that all cars this morning ,which were left parked outdoors overnight, are now covered by a thin layer of golden sand, obviously this is the ash from the volcano.
If you have a black car the ash is clearly visible on your car, go and check it out.
I hope people dont try to wipe the stuff off, it is extremely abrasive and will leave instant marks in the paintwork, much like sandpaper... has to be washed off with plenty of water.
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:50
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The devil has a face..

Well, here is the culprit, the devil has shown its face
This is a radar image taken from a coast guard DHC 8 yesterday over the volcano....



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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:56
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We have had a few light aircraft overhead but nothing majour i guess that they are VFR?
It is only Controlled Airspace which has been closed. Not much of that in Sunny Dorset.
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Nice sat images at EUMETSAT IPPS animation - Meteosat 0 degree Dust Central Europe

(colors described at Met Office: Iceland Volcano satellite imagery)
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:59
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@manofman I Don't know where you got your info from, but this is what is written on EGCC/MAN website - Severe Restrictions to UK Airspace Affecting Manchester Airport

National Air Traffic Services (NATS) have now confirmed that no flights will be permitted in UK controlled airspace until 1am on Saturday 17th April, at the earliest, due to the volcanic ash drifting across the country from Iceland.

As a result, all arriving and departing flights at Manchester remain suspended until further notice.
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Tom 663 finals MAN with a medical emergency onboard
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 11:05
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Ah the medical emergency explains that one. There's another flight though TOM093 - FlightAware > Thomsonfly #93
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Tom....

HS125 Heading towards detling about 3000 at 1930ish?
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TCX7L heading SE over Northern Ireland

Think this is also for EGCC
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Apparently MAN are accepting three flights between now and 13:00, so TOM663 (apparently supposed to be bound for Glasgow) would be one, and possibly the TCX flight could be two.... So one more floating around??
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"...the night was moonless but clear..."
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I believe that the words Eric used in his early interviews were - drawing on his Hampshire background - " it was as black as a badgers arse "
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TCX7L is for Glasgow, isn't she?
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Some departures as well I have heard

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Iceland eruption could trigger more

Posted on16 April 2010. Tags: eruption, Iceland, volcano

HeklaWhen the ongoing Eyjafjallajokull eruption began this week, other volcanic monitoring stations in Iceland were put on alert and worrying results started coming in from Grimsvotn under Europe’s largest glacier, Vatnajokull.

Pall Einarsson, earth sciences professor at the University of Iceland said that Grimsvotn started rumbling with a series of earthquakes.

Grimsvotn is now in a similar condition to how it was in 2004, when it last erupted. Last time the Grimsvotn eruption was started by a jöklahlaup, which is when the pressure of melted water under the glacier builds up to such an extent that it lifts the entire ice cap and rushes out in a highly destructive torrent. There is every indication this will happen again within 24 months, Einarsson told Visir.is.

He said that scientists have had great success in predicting activity at Grimsvotn and that they now predict an eruption at the site within two years – although it could easily come in the next weeks or months.

We must also not forget Hekla, he added. Since settlement, Hekla has erupted roughly every ten years. She erupted in 1970, 1980, 1991 and 2000.
Iceland eruption could trigger more | IceNews - Daily News
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