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IF.....the aforesaid information is correct in regard to Mr O'Leary, I would expect that his uneven handedness and bad managment tactics, will ultimately backfire with some force.
The ONLY way aeroplanes make money for an airline is when they fly. There is grave danger that Mr O'Leary is, seemingly, overstepping the boundaries of good managment sense in upsetting the very people who do the flying. Huge mistake, HUGE!
The ONLY way aeroplanes make money for an airline is when they fly. There is grave danger that Mr O'Leary is, seemingly, overstepping the boundaries of good managment sense in upsetting the very people who do the flying. Huge mistake, HUGE!
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I may be only a 'prat on a bulletin board' Maxalt but I've been around the houses a few times.
Glad you're doing well, Maxalt,don't get complacent will you?
With success comes confidence, confidence brings more success but too much success breeds arrogance.
I've no doubt he saw it as a golden opportunity to rid himself of a problem child.
Potentially though, if the reasons for Ms Duggan's problems are true, it might fatally undermine the authority and or confidence of the chief pilot.
But O'Leary's list of enemies grows by the day. It's only a matter of time beofore he trips up. He'll remain a millionaire. I'll remain a 'prat on a bulletin board'. But I hope he doesn't bring down the airline with him.
PS Maxalt do we know each other?
Glad you're doing well, Maxalt,don't get complacent will you?
With success comes confidence, confidence brings more success but too much success breeds arrogance.
I've no doubt he saw it as a golden opportunity to rid himself of a problem child.
Potentially though, if the reasons for Ms Duggan's problems are true, it might fatally undermine the authority and or confidence of the chief pilot.
But O'Leary's list of enemies grows by the day. It's only a matter of time beofore he trips up. He'll remain a millionaire. I'll remain a 'prat on a bulletin board'. But I hope he doesn't bring down the airline with him.
PS Maxalt do we know each other?
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My condolences to Cliona and Martin and best wishes for any forthcoming legal action. If legal action is taken please make sure to drag Ryanair's name through the papers as often as possible and take MOL for every penny you can.
MOL should ask himself the question why was a Dublin crew positioning to operate flights out of Stansted. The answer, as he knows all to well, is that the airline is a shambles , we are woefully short of crew and typically overstretched. What or who is the root cause of all this? Why it's MOL himself, surely the first Irishman in history not to be able to organise a piss up in a brewery.
STEEPCLIMB
No-one has any confidence in the Chief Pilot and any authority he possesses exists purely because he is MOL's stooge and mouthpiece. When JD left Stansted he was basically bought off with shares and position and now his daughter has been sacked it will be interesting to see if his outlook changes.
What am I saying, we all know what is important to JD so it looks as though family gatherings at the Duggan houshold will never be quite the same.
MAXALT
Anyone at Ryanair who actually thinks that they are ever going to see the £100K of shares needs to get at grip on reality and probably seek help as people like that show tendencies to believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
300 pilots equates to £30million worth of shares and even though MOL may believe that the sun shines out of his a**e I'm afraid he won't be able to produce those shares out of that very same orifice.
A copy of the Bob The Builders Greatest Hits to all the believers.
MOL should ask himself the question why was a Dublin crew positioning to operate flights out of Stansted. The answer, as he knows all to well, is that the airline is a shambles , we are woefully short of crew and typically overstretched. What or who is the root cause of all this? Why it's MOL himself, surely the first Irishman in history not to be able to organise a piss up in a brewery.
STEEPCLIMB
No-one has any confidence in the Chief Pilot and any authority he possesses exists purely because he is MOL's stooge and mouthpiece. When JD left Stansted he was basically bought off with shares and position and now his daughter has been sacked it will be interesting to see if his outlook changes.
What am I saying, we all know what is important to JD so it looks as though family gatherings at the Duggan houshold will never be quite the same.
MAXALT
Anyone at Ryanair who actually thinks that they are ever going to see the £100K of shares needs to get at grip on reality and probably seek help as people like that show tendencies to believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
300 pilots equates to £30million worth of shares and even though MOL may believe that the sun shines out of his a**e I'm afraid he won't be able to produce those shares out of that very same orifice.
A copy of the Bob The Builders Greatest Hits to all the believers.
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The cryptic comments about inappropriate behaviour on the flight deck are interesting. Does FR have a brewing 'personal space issue' in the offing too? Wonder who the skipper in question is. Don't tell me...I bet I can guess. The ould sleazebag himself! 
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These issues seem to call into question the whole safety ethos of Ryanair as a company.
So, Pilot X and Y spoke up about something that they were not happy about, and were sacked…
Pilot Z thinks of saying something… but fears he may lose his job… does something that he thinks is not a good idea....
If you are intimidated and frightened by the powers that be to do things that you think could be unsafe, or face being sacked, you may be putting your life and those of 189 other souls behind you at some risk.
Sure what’s the risk… 999 times out of 1,000 no risk… but you are paid to be at your best the other 1/1000th of the time.
By accepting this "I am incharge of your flight attitude from the CEO", I believe that you are not being professional pilots. just how much is IR£100k's worth of share options?
Pilot X was professional and correct in saying No. We should all congratulate him for that. I just hope all of the rest of FR crew also know how to say no if and when necessary.
Im glad im not there.
So, Pilot X and Y spoke up about something that they were not happy about, and were sacked…
Pilot Z thinks of saying something… but fears he may lose his job… does something that he thinks is not a good idea....
If you are intimidated and frightened by the powers that be to do things that you think could be unsafe, or face being sacked, you may be putting your life and those of 189 other souls behind you at some risk.
Sure what’s the risk… 999 times out of 1,000 no risk… but you are paid to be at your best the other 1/1000th of the time.
By accepting this "I am incharge of your flight attitude from the CEO", I believe that you are not being professional pilots. just how much is IR£100k's worth of share options?
Pilot X was professional and correct in saying No. We should all congratulate him for that. I just hope all of the rest of FR crew also know how to say no if and when necessary.
Im glad im not there.
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I don't think that I can ever remember a CEO so deliberately tear his company apart before, ably assisted by Maxalt.
Who in their right minds would want to work in such an organisation; who would want to invest in them and more importantly, who would want to fly with them?
A new CEO is desperately needed before there is an accident.
Who in their right minds would want to work in such an organisation; who would want to invest in them and more importantly, who would want to fly with them?
A new CEO is desperately needed before there is an accident.
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One question. Are the captains never asked if they will allow someone in the jumpseat? Is there a policy regarding that. Can a captain denie M O L of a jumpseat. And if so is it in the pilot contracts or in the FOM.
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Seems like you are well placed in the pocket of mister O’Leary. Do you really think he is going to stop, if he can beat you round the bush? Interesting to see he’s next move. WHAT are you guys? God colleagues or p£ssies? For your own sake give him the sign. STRIKE.
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Dont strike.
I do not feel that it will accomplish anything other than play into Mr. O`Learys hands, yes he has a plan, and getting the Pilots to strike is part of it.
The is another route to take, not a full frontal attack, it will be a bit slower but will sort the problems our. LEGISLATION. The law is there, European legislation about conduct in the workplace, what about the Bullying, intimidation, human rights, health and safety, Aviation Law. This is one area to implement.
Another is the Media, they should be made aware of our works practices, Pilots and cabin Crew. Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking, I have not had a hot meal or a break for the last 10 hours!!!!!, As your sure you want to come flying with me. Your Pursers is currently working on her seventh day on, your life may depend or his/her ability to react. SAFETY. Are you safe towards the the end of a 12-14 hour day with no meal break, no hot meal and the only time out of your seat a walk around!!!!!!!!!!!. Tell the press. O`Leary knows how to play them, we can too.
Irish aviation Authority, a useless bunch of weaklings, lets make them do their job, ops inspections, take action on issues, force Ryanair to have a proper chief Pilots brief, proper safety officers brief. Make them crack the whip.
There are many more roads that we can take, but the very worst to go down is STRIKE. Forget hot head ideas, use you brain. Lets sort this out for once and for all and leave to bullys no place to hide. But lets use brain, not brawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not feel that it will accomplish anything other than play into Mr. O`Learys hands, yes he has a plan, and getting the Pilots to strike is part of it.
The is another route to take, not a full frontal attack, it will be a bit slower but will sort the problems our. LEGISLATION. The law is there, European legislation about conduct in the workplace, what about the Bullying, intimidation, human rights, health and safety, Aviation Law. This is one area to implement.
Another is the Media, they should be made aware of our works practices, Pilots and cabin Crew. Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain speaking, I have not had a hot meal or a break for the last 10 hours!!!!!, As your sure you want to come flying with me. Your Pursers is currently working on her seventh day on, your life may depend or his/her ability to react. SAFETY. Are you safe towards the the end of a 12-14 hour day with no meal break, no hot meal and the only time out of your seat a walk around!!!!!!!!!!!. Tell the press. O`Leary knows how to play them, we can too.
Irish aviation Authority, a useless bunch of weaklings, lets make them do their job, ops inspections, take action on issues, force Ryanair to have a proper chief Pilots brief, proper safety officers brief. Make them crack the whip.
There are many more roads that we can take, but the very worst to go down is STRIKE. Forget hot head ideas, use you brain. Lets sort this out for once and for all and leave to bullys no place to hide. But lets use brain, not brawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's a bit of inside stuff...
MOL has been gunning for MD ever since he started organising the Union in Ryanair, to improve the quality of life for all. If you were inside Dublin, you'd already know this.
MD was summond to MOL's office in seconds of the "4 seats 5 crew" problem, because SW in ops TOLD MOL, as he had been told to, of ANYTHING they could pin on MD.
MD was dismissed in the most unusual manner, totally in breach of Irish & European employment law.
There is no doubt MD stands to gain either in terms of unfair dismissal, or reinstatement and punitive damages, but this is NOT the BIG picture here. The cost to MOL is peanuts in comparason to MOL's real agenda. MD was dismissed because he is doing far too good a job. IALPA know it, IMPACT know it. And MOL knows it. MOL wants MD OUT because he is a pain in the a**e, and in the long run will cost MOL a bob or too in getting Ryanair legal, let alone anything else.
CD was dismissed because she refuse to fly with a particular Captain, a Captain who had acted in an unprofessional manner with her before, & with whom she had asked not to be rostered with. A Captain who WAS a Training Captain, but not any more. A Captain who WAS a Base Captain, but not any more. Ask yourself...who really should have been fired??? Why?
It is no coincidence she happens to be JD's daughter.
It is no coincidence that BALPA is trying to get recognition in Stansted and will probably have to ballot the pilots on this issue in the next few weeks.
MOL is clearly trying to send a message to every pilot everywhere.....
" This is MY F*****G Company, and I will do with it what I want. No F*****G union, government or law is going to stop me.... And I HATE pilots because they cost too much"
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MOL has been gunning for MD ever since he started organising the Union in Ryanair, to improve the quality of life for all. If you were inside Dublin, you'd already know this.
MD was summond to MOL's office in seconds of the "4 seats 5 crew" problem, because SW in ops TOLD MOL, as he had been told to, of ANYTHING they could pin on MD.
MD was dismissed in the most unusual manner, totally in breach of Irish & European employment law.
There is no doubt MD stands to gain either in terms of unfair dismissal, or reinstatement and punitive damages, but this is NOT the BIG picture here. The cost to MOL is peanuts in comparason to MOL's real agenda. MD was dismissed because he is doing far too good a job. IALPA know it, IMPACT know it. And MOL knows it. MOL wants MD OUT because he is a pain in the a**e, and in the long run will cost MOL a bob or too in getting Ryanair legal, let alone anything else.
CD was dismissed because she refuse to fly with a particular Captain, a Captain who had acted in an unprofessional manner with her before, & with whom she had asked not to be rostered with. A Captain who WAS a Training Captain, but not any more. A Captain who WAS a Base Captain, but not any more. Ask yourself...who really should have been fired??? Why?
It is no coincidence she happens to be JD's daughter.
It is no coincidence that BALPA is trying to get recognition in Stansted and will probably have to ballot the pilots on this issue in the next few weeks.
MOL is clearly trying to send a message to every pilot everywhere.....
" This is MY F*****G Company, and I will do with it what I want. No F*****G union, government or law is going to stop me.... And I HATE pilots because they cost too much"
It is a great company to work for...
You want to be here......
Join today...
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maybe when we are all on work visa's we will know when to open our mouths (never) and what hours to work (all god sends). It's quite obvious that the more ethnic groups we have the more the pilot body is disjoint and powerless ...as usual mol plays a blinder.
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What an amazing thread this is....lets call it the "Blame FR on all world problems"...It is quite clear to me that MOL is responsible for all of the following...
World Hunger
World debt.
Famine
Floods
Bad weather
Lousy neighbours
Mad dogs
striking taxis
Go-Slow train drivers
Turbulence
Early pub closing time
Clock change in winter/summer
I agree with all who have expresseed the views which show Ryanair to be the villan...lets close the company down, put all the pilots and crews on the dole, and of course all the other employees. Aer Rianta will be delighted, Of course the travelling public will be over the moon with joy and I can go back to paying, as I did in 1971 £145 for a Dublin - London return trip..or its equivalent at todays rates...maybe £600..?
Lets keep it up guys and send MOL to damnation..!!!
World Hunger
World debt.
Famine
Floods
Bad weather
Lousy neighbours
Mad dogs
striking taxis
Go-Slow train drivers
Turbulence
Early pub closing time
Clock change in winter/summer
I agree with all who have expresseed the views which show Ryanair to be the villan...lets close the company down, put all the pilots and crews on the dole, and of course all the other employees. Aer Rianta will be delighted, Of course the travelling public will be over the moon with joy and I can go back to paying, as I did in 1971 £145 for a Dublin - London return trip..or its equivalent at todays rates...maybe £600..?
Lets keep it up guys and send MOL to damnation..!!!
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A slight overreaction, Flame.
There are other solutions to the problem than closing down the entire airline. And a strike is unlikely to result in FR going to the wall.
There have been several stories lately about the autocratic manner in which the airline is run, and about the climate of fear which rules. If true, this cannot be a healthy state of affairs. Something fairly drastic needs to be done.
If relations really are this poor, and fail to improve fairly rapidly, then a serious accident is just around the corner. To be quite honest, I'd prefer to be made redundant because an airline closed than because they had a fatal accident and the public lost confidence in it's safety culture.
There are other solutions to the problem than closing down the entire airline. And a strike is unlikely to result in FR going to the wall.
There have been several stories lately about the autocratic manner in which the airline is run, and about the climate of fear which rules. If true, this cannot be a healthy state of affairs. Something fairly drastic needs to be done.
If relations really are this poor, and fail to improve fairly rapidly, then a serious accident is just around the corner. To be quite honest, I'd prefer to be made redundant because an airline closed than because they had a fatal accident and the public lost confidence in it's safety culture.
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Picture this. Hypothetical Ryanair interview:-
Interviewer: 'What do you look for in an airline?'
Applicant: 'Job security...'
Interviewer: 'Oh you get that in Ryanair...but don't mention the 'B' word'
A: 'Promotion prospects...'
I: 'We had that...but the 'B' word has been mentioned'
A: 'A base close to where I live, a happy working environment, a good relationship with the management, a good pay without the threat of pay cuts, would you like me to go on. Basically all the things you get at most other airlines.'
I: 'I'm sorry, but I don't think you would fit in here at Ryanair. We expect our pilots to be flexible you know...'
Are we all mugs? Would any of us in Ryanir join now?
Interviewer: 'What do you look for in an airline?'
Applicant: 'Job security...'
Interviewer: 'Oh you get that in Ryanair...but don't mention the 'B' word'
A: 'Promotion prospects...'
I: 'We had that...but the 'B' word has been mentioned'
A: 'A base close to where I live, a happy working environment, a good relationship with the management, a good pay without the threat of pay cuts, would you like me to go on. Basically all the things you get at most other airlines.'
I: 'I'm sorry, but I don't think you would fit in here at Ryanair. We expect our pilots to be flexible you know...'
Are we all mugs? Would any of us in Ryanir join now?
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Minutemen,
Totally agree re Ryanair banner ad on this site. Isn't there a law about mis;eading information. Is Capt PPRuNe concerned about the integrity of this (superb) site.
Lets take a closer look.....
Yeah, right!
Nope! its 5 on 3 off 5 on 2 off
Bo!!ocks. the correct figure is less than half this
Part 1 is accurate, tell the bit about security of employmnet to Martin or Cliona.
Time to banish the Banner, Capt PPRuNe??
(Apologies to Clare hurling fans - Irish in joke!)
Totally agree re Ryanair banner ad on this site. Isn't there a law about mis;eading information. Is Capt PPRuNe concerned about the integrity of this (superb) site.
Lets take a closer look.....
As a pilot in Ryanair you can expect a great package.
The new pay and conditions deal provides for a roster pattern of 5 earlies followed by 3 days off followed by 5 lates followed by 3 days off.
Our share options over the last 3 years have already delivered a gain of over IRL£100,000 for pilots who have held onto their maximum entitlement
At Ryanair you can expect to work hard but the rewards, promotional outlets and security of employment are second to none
Time to banish the Banner, Capt PPRuNe??
(Apologies to Clare hurling fans - Irish in joke!)