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Flame,
Of course I have spoken to the people involved. Do you think I just made it up, for ****sake?
RE your earlier post on this topic. Have you ever flown with FR? There is no "business class" up front. All single class configured a/c. Pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap. It works as a business formula. What a pity the employees are treated like ****
Of course I have spoken to the people involved. Do you think I just made it up, for ****sake?
RE your earlier post on this topic. Have you ever flown with FR? There is no "business class" up front. All single class configured a/c. Pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap. It works as a business formula. What a pity the employees are treated like ****
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Any details on what prompted the dismissal of the Chief Pilot's daughter from the pilot roster? I know it is politically sensitive, but I'm curious to know - she was apparently a junior FO.
Details would be nice because the above mentioned article was vague at best.
Cheers
Details would be nice because the above mentioned article was vague at best.
Cheers
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
I assume (that) Mr O'Leery ALWAYS travels in the jump seat, along wit' ALL other staff, so as not to "tolerate a situation whereby passengers are either expected to, or be off-loaded, to accommodate a staff member insisting on travelling in the cabin of our aircraft instead on an available jump seat."
For sure, on a low cost airline, there could always be a last minute rush.
Management need to LEAD BY EXAMPLE, and ALWAYS travel in the jumpseat. You set the precedence - now follow it.
Anything else would HAVE to be considered discriminatory!!
For sure, on a low cost airline, there could always be a last minute rush.
Management need to LEAD BY EXAMPLE, and ALWAYS travel in the jumpseat. You set the precedence - now follow it.
Anything else would HAVE to be considered discriminatory!!
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Recent strikes at Lufthansa and work-to-rule at Cathay pacific have shown, that the airlines can be threatened by its pilots. To the best of my knowledge it seems, that a FR strike action is the only way to go. “Management often finds it necessary to demonstrate that it will not cave in to threats by pilots over strike action, while pilots feel required to show they are prepared to carry out their threats if not appeased. Once the aircraft stop flying, an agreement tends to be hammered out quickly, but not before huge losses have been incurred and customers have been alienated. In many instances passengers never return”. – Flight magazine comment…
During the last month FR has fired 3 pilots……
Will you be the next FR pilot to visit the White house on a “no biscuit and no tea” meeting?
...I don't know if MOL travels on J/S, but STN NO: 1 "Bilko" does, but thats because he is scared of flying....me thinks
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Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous but, like the sea, it is inordinately unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect....
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During the last month FR has fired 3 pilots……
Will you be the next FR pilot to visit the White house on a “no biscuit and no tea” meeting?
...I don't know if MOL travels on J/S, but STN NO: 1 "Bilko" does, but thats because he is scared of flying....me thinks
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Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous but, like the sea, it is inordinately unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect....
[ 18 July 2001: Message edited by: Scandinavian ]
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Want him??
I think (by court order) - in the name of consistency and equality, he, and ALL other management, should always travel in the jump seat, if only to prove that their actions in sacking Captain XXX were totally unbiased, and their motives solely for the good of the company.
Leadership by example...that's the spirit, Mr McLeery!
I think (by court order) - in the name of consistency and equality, he, and ALL other management, should always travel in the jump seat, if only to prove that their actions in sacking Captain XXX were totally unbiased, and their motives solely for the good of the company.
Leadership by example...that's the spirit, Mr McLeery!
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I've flown with them a few times and every time time it was pure shyte! Reservations is a mess, the aeroplanes are in a really shoddy state, theyve dragged air travel down to the level of bus travel.
I used to cosole myself by reminding myself that I'd saved a few quid, but now I don't bother anymore since they tried to offload me as they'd overbooked.
Aer Lingus is too expensive so roll on Go and Easyjet with something in between, you can't lose.
I think its a disgrace the way they sacked those pilots although admitedly I don't know the full story, but the way they sacked them was pretty piff poor.
I think we Ppruners should boycott Ryanair over this action and leave them to cater exclusively for the ignorant masses.
Let the word filter out that Ryanair the low cost (shabby) airline is avoided by members of the airline/aviation industry.
Mick says all publicity is good doesn't he?
I used to cosole myself by reminding myself that I'd saved a few quid, but now I don't bother anymore since they tried to offload me as they'd overbooked.
Aer Lingus is too expensive so roll on Go and Easyjet with something in between, you can't lose.
I think its a disgrace the way they sacked those pilots although admitedly I don't know the full story, but the way they sacked them was pretty piff poor.
I think we Ppruners should boycott Ryanair over this action and leave them to cater exclusively for the ignorant masses.
Let the word filter out that Ryanair the low cost (shabby) airline is avoided by members of the airline/aviation industry.
Mick says all publicity is good doesn't he?
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cathay have fired 48 pilots.the rest are working.this show that strike action will not work in dublin .a small minority will be fired . this will act as a catylst in returning another small minority to workwhich will shortly become a larger minority and eventually a majority with the most stubborn ones probably sacked as well. the concept of "every man for himself" will once again reign at fr.strikes in this instance will not work.try to talk to the bosses.its easier 
lots of confused and concerned pilots wondering how to pay the mortgage this winter if this emotion driven and misguided strike ballot goes ahead.the above is my opinion guys ,take or leave or enlighten 
sympathy to cd and md
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I'd have happily swopped my seat for a j-seat position..if I'd known, or even been on the flight . Wonder if anyone on board would have done the same if announced..?
5 crew, 4 seats..hmmmm, I might have shared a knee with one of the nice dollybirds !!
oh, look, down at the bottom of the page..Ryanair pilot recruitment placard, they must be a few short, let check me hours...
. Wonder if anyone on board would have done the same if announced..?5 crew, 4 seats..hmmmm, I might have shared a knee with one of the nice dollybirds !!
oh, look, down at the bottom of the page..Ryanair pilot recruitment placard, they must be a few short, let check me hours...
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I hope the pilots go on strike - O'Leary needs to be thought a lesson. If they bend down and take this **** from him he will be able to do whatever he wants. Maybe they could get the fire service on their side like the Ryanair baggage handlers did and shut down the whole airport. That would put enormous pressure on O'Leary to sort the mess out.
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Yeah, Irishboy, that's a BRILLIANT idea. Don't you remember that when the Baggage handlers were on strike and "closed" the airport - IT WAS THE DAMN RYANAIR PILOTS WHO WERE THE ONLY ONES FLYING. Their attitude to the loaders was "Screw you" but now the boot is on the other foot...
PS I can't stand the arrogant corporate attitude fostered by O'Leary.
PS I can't stand the arrogant corporate attitude fostered by O'Leary.
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I doubt it O'Leary anticipated the furore, it look like a very expensive settlement is due.
Sacking the chief pilots daughter, that's a warning to all that no one is safe.
The fact that he didn't follow the normal procedures verbal/written warnings etc is going to cost him dearly.
This may not cause trouble this time, but there will be a blowup soon.
Sacking the chief pilots daughter, that's a warning to all that no one is safe.
The fact that he didn't follow the normal procedures verbal/written warnings etc is going to cost him dearly.
This may not cause trouble this time, but there will be a blowup soon.
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WideBodiedEng > Yeah, maybe you're right about the boot on the other foot now - I don't know the full story about the baggage handlers' dispute. Did they ever get what they wanted out of O'Leary?
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As far as I know the baggage handlers didn't really win. If they did it was a pyrrhic victory. I have heard that most of them are "gone" (Not in the Chilean sense, but with OLeery you never know...........)
Main thing was we were grounded but Racketair kept going. If it wasnt for the loaders they'd never get those fantastic turnarounds.
Main thing was we were grounded but Racketair kept going. If it wasnt for the loaders they'd never get those fantastic turnarounds.
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I hope and urge EVERY IALPA MEMBER OF RYANAIR to go and vote in favour of industrial action. This situation is intolerable. I also call upon Capt PPRuNe (Danny Fyne) and every other moderator/site owner on this site to stop showing FR recruitment adverts until such time that FR management attitudes treat us with the respect that we as professional pilots the world over deserve.
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I doubt it O'Leary anticipated the furore, it look like a very expensive settlement is due.
Unless of course the 'very expensive settlement' you refer to is the pilots £100k's each in share options that will go down the swanny if the lads bite the hand that feeds them by breaking that no-strike clause.
The way I see it Mick has thought this through very carefully, and he's in a win win situation...as usual!!
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Scandinavian and Minuteman,
I agree with you 110%. I hope IALPA and BALPA can join forces and DO SOMETHING about this. I do not know, but why is it that I get a feeling you guys on the western side og the North Sea seem a little bit scared (in lack of other words) when it comes to firm actions towards your management. I`m sure any union in Scandinavia would have had frequent visits to the Mahogany Street by now. Get going friends. We are all behind you on this one.
I agree with you 110%. I hope IALPA and BALPA can join forces and DO SOMETHING about this. I do not know, but why is it that I get a feeling you guys on the western side og the North Sea seem a little bit scared (in lack of other words) when it comes to firm actions towards your management. I`m sure any union in Scandinavia would have had frequent visits to the Mahogany Street by now. Get going friends. We are all behind you on this one.
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From today's Irish Independent..
Sacked pilots planning to sue Ryanair
RYANAIR may face claims for damages from two pilots sacked by the airline's chief. Both pilots are expected to brief lawyers this week in preparation for claims of unfair dismissal and breach of contract.
Members of the Irish Airline Pilots Association section of the IMPACT trade union are raising funds to back possible legal actions. Lawyers will be briefed on working practices within the carrier and inter-personal relations.
Last night Ryanair spokesman Enda O'Toole said: "We cannot comment on anything to do with our employees." Asked if the two sacked pilots were still considered Ryanair employees, he said that he could not comment and had not been briefed by airline chief Michael O'Leary.
On Monday the airline removed a young, newly-qualified pilot, Cliona Duggan, alleging insubordination. She is a daughter of Ryanair's chief pilot Jim Duggan.
It is understood Ms Duggan had complained about what she felt was inappropriate behaviour by a colleague on a flight and had indicated that she did not wish to share rosters with that pilot in future.
Earlier this month, airline chief executive Michael O'Leary personally terminated Captain Martin Duffy's position following Mr Duffy's concerns over the use of 'jump seats' to transport air crews.
Last April Mr Duffy, an opponent of the controversial pay deal concluded last November, was elected chairman of the Ryanair section of the Irish Airline Pilots Association (IALPA) branch of the IMPACT trade union.
In a public acknowledgement that Captain Duffy had been sacked, the airline management issued a notice alleging he had "disrupted and delayed departure of Flight FR 226", when he insisted that he (and his crew) would not position on the jump seats available and would only position in the cabin, "thereby forcing our ramp staff to try to offload some of our checked-in, fare-paying passengers".
Pilots are to meet later this week to decide their response to Ms Duggan's sacking.
Gerald Flynn Industrial Correspondent
Sacked pilots planning to sue Ryanair
RYANAIR may face claims for damages from two pilots sacked by the airline's chief. Both pilots are expected to brief lawyers this week in preparation for claims of unfair dismissal and breach of contract.
Members of the Irish Airline Pilots Association section of the IMPACT trade union are raising funds to back possible legal actions. Lawyers will be briefed on working practices within the carrier and inter-personal relations.
Last night Ryanair spokesman Enda O'Toole said: "We cannot comment on anything to do with our employees." Asked if the two sacked pilots were still considered Ryanair employees, he said that he could not comment and had not been briefed by airline chief Michael O'Leary.
On Monday the airline removed a young, newly-qualified pilot, Cliona Duggan, alleging insubordination. She is a daughter of Ryanair's chief pilot Jim Duggan.
It is understood Ms Duggan had complained about what she felt was inappropriate behaviour by a colleague on a flight and had indicated that she did not wish to share rosters with that pilot in future.
Earlier this month, airline chief executive Michael O'Leary personally terminated Captain Martin Duffy's position following Mr Duffy's concerns over the use of 'jump seats' to transport air crews.
Last April Mr Duffy, an opponent of the controversial pay deal concluded last November, was elected chairman of the Ryanair section of the Irish Airline Pilots Association (IALPA) branch of the IMPACT trade union.
In a public acknowledgement that Captain Duffy had been sacked, the airline management issued a notice alleging he had "disrupted and delayed departure of Flight FR 226", when he insisted that he (and his crew) would not position on the jump seats available and would only position in the cabin, "thereby forcing our ramp staff to try to offload some of our checked-in, fare-paying passengers".
Pilots are to meet later this week to decide their response to Ms Duggan's sacking.
Gerald Flynn Industrial Correspondent
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Yo Max Alt, me wonders are you the great MO'L himself. MO'L has done great things for Ryanair but on this count he looks if he's on a sticky one..but sure Mick what's a 100k to a ex clongownian? As you say you'll win win. We are all watching!