KLM 737 @t EHAM & Aeroflot 737 @ ENGM taxiway take-off
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Transcript atc tape, translated by me. Relevant parts were in dutch.
TWR: KLM1369
KLM: 1369 go
TWR: Did you realize it sir?
KLM: eh...no
TWR: 1369 can you give me a phone call?
KLM: eh.. allright.
TWR: At your destination, or enroute?
KLM: eh.. destination.
TWR: okay we will arrange a discrete frequency, for the time
contact 119.05 (departure controler)
Later on the discrete frequency:
KLM: 1369 Hey
TWR: Yes 1369 good evening, ehh... did you reflect on the situation?
KLM: eh.. yes of course....eeh...I cannot imagine what it is.
TWR: eeh.. we let you go.... because you already had a high speed, but
you.... do you realize you departed from the taxitrack?
KLM: No I did not.....ok thank you
KLM: ...I understand...eh..I will report it also... ehm..well thank you for
passing it on.
TWR: KLM1369
KLM: 1369 go
TWR: Did you realize it sir?
KLM: eh...no
TWR: 1369 can you give me a phone call?
KLM: eh.. allright.
TWR: At your destination, or enroute?
KLM: eh.. destination.
TWR: okay we will arrange a discrete frequency, for the time
contact 119.05 (departure controler)
Later on the discrete frequency:
KLM: 1369 Hey
TWR: Yes 1369 good evening, ehh... did you reflect on the situation?
KLM: eh.. yes of course....eeh...I cannot imagine what it is.
TWR: eeh.. we let you go.... because you already had a high speed, but
you.... do you realize you departed from the taxitrack?
KLM: No I did not.....ok thank you
KLM: ...I understand...eh..I will report it also... ehm..well thank you for
passing it on.
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...the CVR "event" button was not pushed afterwards (contrary to regulations)...
There is no such a switch in 737. To stop CVR you have to find appropriate circuit breaker on CB panel and pull it. Otherwise it will not stop even after engines shut down and continue to run as long as AC power available. I can imagine the situation in the cockpit and flight crew stress after communication with ATC described above. It's pointless to blame crew, they just were unable to remember about recorder until landing at destination.
There is no such a switch in 737. To stop CVR you have to find appropriate circuit breaker on CB panel and pull it. Otherwise it will not stop even after engines shut down and continue to run as long as AC power available. I can imagine the situation in the cockpit and flight crew stress after communication with ATC described above. It's pointless to blame crew, they just were unable to remember about recorder until landing at destination.
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After having read the report, I am even more confused. In all honesty, it looks like a bag of facts which are not connected, some textbook theory, and a couple of bullet points at the end which again don't make sense....
The only thing which makes sense is something most of us would have figured out before the report. They were in a hurry to get going.
The only thing which makes sense is something most of us would have figured out before the report. They were in a hurry to get going.
