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ryanair hires 30 junior pilots!!!!!

Old 31st Aug 2001, 12:36
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Throwing my two-peneth in ..... Schreiner own this NLS school which is based at Maastricht and offers ab initio training. They have a Airline Transition course at the end of the course which gives the student a full B737 3/4/500 CBT groundschool and the 40 hours in the Full Flight Sim.......KLM seemed to take a lot of these guys on when I was there doing my own conversion......Interesting to note that Ryanair air use Schreiner's B737-800 sim at Amsterdam......Possibly you scratch my back ?????
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Some have raised the question why has FR not taken some of the more experienced pilots instead of newbies.... Surely it is a case of do as we do not how others do it.

So FR gets a bunch of pilots who can be shown the "Ryanair way" without the "we do it differently at XXX" attitude which can arise.

This type of recruitment policy is widespread in other industries, Why not Air Transport???
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 13:54
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Ok just to get some things straight.

Ryanair hired maybe some NLS students. But remember they have to pay there own type-rating for $25.000 ?!?! You sure will have to work long to get this money back (remember they already have a lown of almost $100.000). I hope for them that Ryanair is paying these guys very good.

And Ryanair has almost only eastern-europe pilots.

And maybe the salary is better that a starting 1st officer at KLM. (BTW. you start as a 2nd officer at KLM). But if start at KLM you get (free!!!) a 747-400 or MD11 type-rating. Gess where I would like to start.

And KLM hireing NLS students for the moment??? They have a waitinglist of about 130 people. And the have there own school.

And just for the record. The KLS gives there student 75 hour on an Airbus A310 Full Flight (and offcourse there is a groundcourse, LOFT, ...). That is why all these guys go to Lufthansa (NOT Cityline).

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Have a nice life at Ryanair
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 15:59
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Manflex55,
Reading from your posting and also previous ones you must have had a real issue with ATP Academy now that is not my problem but to set things straight you do NOT pay anything to go trough the ATP scheme, they provide you with the rating and you part with no money unless you fail the rating.
Seems reasonable to me...
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 16:41
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Oh terrific - so Easy 737's are going to be rushing around with low-time co-pilots on
long multi-sector days - hope my wife and
kids are not down the back. Now - before the
bricks start flying - I'm not having a go at
low time pilots per se. BA and sundry charter
operators have been using cadets for years
and whilst I would prefer to have somebody
beside me with a deeper level of appropriate
experience, I do not believe in the 'I had
it tough, so should you' philosophy which
still exists out there. My question is where
are these new Easy pilots to be based ? If they in the UK is this just another example
of UK airlines hiring from outside their own
locale ? The duplicity of accents notably
from South Africa, Australasia and North
America flying low-cost airlines in UK airspace is quite staggering. The free-movement of labour within the EEC does explain cross-border employment but why does
BALPA allow so many others to apparently find
jobs in the UK so easily when the reverse
would most certainly not appear to be true.

I know that this train of thought will bring
not a little flak from the colonials and new
low time pilots but I wonder what the response will be from UK pilots who are
either unemployed or are seeking to progress
by attempting to join operators such as
Go or Easy ?
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Oops - sorry - can't tell my Ryan from my
Easy - tricky things keyboards - however
the fundamental questions remain the same !
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 17:06
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Under EU law a citizen of an EU country can work in any other EU country without the need for a work permit. It's probably true to say that a non-Dutch speaker has got little or no chance or ever getting an appointment at KLM. A fluent English speaking Dutchman has no legal impediment to prevent them working for a UK/Eire based airline. Some may no agree with employing people from outside the home country but unfortunatley there is nothing legally to prevent it. In fact, if a company discriminated against someone from another country who was qualified for the position they could find themselfs in court.
 
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Small misunderstanding:

The students from the KLS have also paid $100.000 for their training.
There are 2nd officers who are at the same place for the last 4 years. (they've got a TR but are legally not allowed to fly)
The students from the KLS don't get on the waitinglist automatically. Those 130 persons are waiting for about 2 years already.

The most pilots on the waitinglist have been offered a FO position for KLC on the F50 or the F70. Is that something to wait for 3 years.
By the time you get hired at the KLM I have about 2000 hours.
All the new students from the KLS are in the same situation as students from the NLS. (except, the NLS has FSC training)


Greetings.
I will have a great live at Ryanair.
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 17:42
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There are a lot of non-Dutch speakers working around here for KLM/KLC - MP and maybe (not sure) Transavia.

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Old 31st Aug 2001, 21:13
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On a global basis, there seems to be a direct correlation between pilot experience and fare structure. Lesson there I think when it comes to booking your travel. The scary thing is that you don't know you're not experienced until either a) you need the experience you don't have or b) you finallly get it and look back on all those years.

To all the "experienced" Ryan Air pilots, take care out there. I'm serious.

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Old 31st Aug 2001, 21:25
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There have been Ryanair 737-200s bashing the PIK circuit for the last couple of days. If these guys are all less than 200 hrs they seem to be getting the hang of it pretty quick. Not sure who holds their hands outside the circuit but as they are under the same European Safety Regulators someone must be happy with the experince mix in the front end.
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If you had read some magazines lately concerning aviation, you would have read a lot about ab intio training. Conclusions of these articles are mainly that airlines want to have ab initio pilots because of their training which is completely focused on flying for an airline.
Besides most of the European airlines see one hour of flying in Europe equal to five to ten hours in the States (their statement is that flying in the States is like driving a car on a parking lot). And how much good will 500 hours of cessna do me when I will fly a b737?

The 200 hrs I have made, were all done in Holland and surrounding countries and consisted mainly of local training. The cross country flights I have made never took longer then 1,5 hrs (vice versa). Most of my training was flying different approaches on different fields and abnormal procedures.

Still, I agree that 200 hrs is not much compared to some captains who have flown 15000+. But I sure do not compare my training with a dentist who likes to fly for fun. So, you don't have to be afraid to send your relatives with my airline!
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Old 31st Aug 2001, 22:27
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Yes Ryanair may be hiring outside of Ireland and the UK but then so does Aer Lingus and Aer Arann, the other 2 Irish airlines....if the guys/gals are suited to the job then good luck to them.
What i can't stand is the likes of BEAMER who seems to me to have never been a 200hr pilot. He says he's never had it tough well then spare a thought to those of us who have had it tough and still managed to get somewhere.
If you get hired by Ryanair now and don't have a TR you have to pay IEP12,000 towards your training and are still now guaranteed a job at the end.....i know some other airlines who do the same type of thing.
IF Ryanair is as bad as everyone seems to think it is then where's the mass exudos of pilots from it's ranks??????
Can't see any.....you may not like the way they do business but right now one has to take what they get.
I wouldn't give them too much of a hard time for not hiring from within their country since the flag carrier has been doing just this for god knows how long too.....
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I totally agree with bangkok!!!!
I'll see you at the Ryanair TR training.

How are you M?
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Old 1st Sep 2001, 01:49
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Well, basically this is an English version of a (never ending !) discussion that goes on on the Dutch PPRuNe (www.airwork.nl)

A few things from my perspective :

1) YES, most Dutch airlines hire non-Dutch speakers. The usual requirement is to speak English and that you are willing to learn some Dutch. See AeroBoero’s post. (Hi AeroBoero, what’s up ?)

2) I am also a bit sad to hear that the NLS has found another convienient ‘parking stand’ for it’s surplus pilots. The NLS and KLS have already dumped some with Austrian, Alitalia (when things were still going well between KLM and Alitalia) and Lufthansa. There are a lot of unemployed pilots out there (low timers OR high timers) that are working very hard in order to make ends meet and they should be given an equal chance and NOT be excluded due to some “I’ll scratch your back, if you scratch mine” deal.

3) In the Netherlands, a lot of pilots who have done their training at the NLS or KLS feel superior over pilots who have trained with other schools. I AM sure that the NLS and KLS ofer great training (if you can afford it !) BUT the bottom line is that we all have to meet JAR-FCL practical exam standards, or don’t we….?

4) Flying in the States. This is a popular bashing ‘item’ but also a bit strange since most KLS/NLS graduates and Dutch Examiners have NEVER flown one single mile in the US !!! Most of these folks think that everything is sh*t, if it has USA written on it. The license is sh*t, the pilots are sh*t, the FAA is sh*t, the hours in your logbook are sh*t……the list goes on and on.

Perfect example is Bangkok’s post on this thread. Bangkok has 200 hours, (all “done” in Holland ) and claims that flying in the US is “like driving a car on a parking lot.” Thank the Lord that he/she has flown “different approaches on different fields and abnormal procedures” here in Europe, most likely to ‘exiting’ and ‘difficult’ airports like Budel, Hilversum or Lelystad. I’m sure that this experience will be 'invaluable' when flying on Ryan’s 737 NG’s !

5) Question: do all pilots have to pay $ 25.000,- for a type, or does this only apply to NLS pilots ?

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Old 1st Sep 2001, 05:04
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My opinion: Congratulations!
It's already hard enough to get a job these days and if these guys can manage their typerating straight after their Seneca or MCC course, i think they're qualified. Most probably they'll have more technical knowledge than your typical Captain, xo just let them fly a bit and they'll be great pilots. Remember we've all been out there with 200 hrs... Good luck guys!
 
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Bokkerijder,

apparently you do not know too much about the course at KLS. All KLS students that
graduate have about 200 hours, of which 150 are flown in the US. Until recently they flew in Tucson, Arizona, now they are at Pan Am in Ft. Pierce, Florida.

All VFR/IFR training is being conducted in the USA, the 50 hours in the Netherlands is for the exams and the multi engine-rating.

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Old 1st Sep 2001, 20:58
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May I ask what European airlines would consider flying a CRJ for a Delta "like driving a car on a parking lot"?

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My point EXACTLY Gonna !

If flying is really that bad in the States, why does the KLS send it's students to the US ?

Oh, wait a minute ! I get it ! If other people go to the States because it's cheaper they are lousy pilots, but if the KLS does the same then of course it's different. Yeah right !

What a mentality ! First they go to the US because of it's excellent aerospace structure, competent ATC and competitive prices, then when the come back they start badmouthing the US !

This really makes me sick !
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Old 2nd Sep 2001, 03:14
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Don't expect logic from these companies - ie Ryanair and Easyjet, when it comnes to hiring policies. - As a former commercial instructor, and a current Airline Captain, I've been aware of their hiring trends for some time now, and I assure you they have very little commercial sense. Maybe they're hiring the usual 'clones' of themselves, because I'm certainly aware of them taking on some obvious 'lemons' whilst rejecting some of the most competent guys I've flown with in recent years!!
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