Ryanair Captain dismissed for promoting unions
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DFC
Google the following:
Hansard employment law
Read the UK Employment Acts 1996 & 2002, and try to understand the permissible nature of undertaking union activities, organising the workforce etc.
I assume by your tone, you have never picked up a newspaper, discussed your forthcoming holiday or even asked your colleagues how their day is going.
What a boring fellow.
Doing work for BALPA (or any other organisation) in work time where such activities were not agreed with the employer would be a breach of contract.
Hansard employment law
Read the UK Employment Acts 1996 & 2002, and try to understand the permissible nature of undertaking union activities, organising the workforce etc.
I assume by your tone, you have never picked up a newspaper, discussed your forthcoming holiday or even asked your colleagues how their day is going.
What a boring fellow.
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The Real Slim Shady
Totally agreed.
If this Captain was a paid up member of BALPA, they should stand up to to these bullies. I will watch the actions of BALPA with great interest. If they cave in over this I for one will cancel my BALPA membership. ID cards, well will they have the balls to make a stand?
If the guy in question was a BA line pilot, BA crews would most probably been out on strike by now, if he was not reinstated.
Totally agreed.
If this Captain was a paid up member of BALPA, they should stand up to to these bullies. I will watch the actions of BALPA with great interest. If they cave in over this I for one will cancel my BALPA membership. ID cards, well will they have the balls to make a stand?
If the guy in question was a BA line pilot, BA crews would most probably been out on strike by now, if he was not reinstated.
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DFC, you are still missing the point !
How were his actions deemed to be A FLIGHT SAFETY ISSUE ?!
(for which he was dismissed on the spot - the union leaflets would have been a disciplinary hearing, the flight safety issues were thrown in to try and justify the company's actions at the industrial tribunal that will almost certainly follow )
PS
Wonder who shopped him ? Not much "unity" there .....
How were his actions deemed to be A FLIGHT SAFETY ISSUE ?!
(for which he was dismissed on the spot - the union leaflets would have been a disciplinary hearing, the flight safety issues were thrown in to try and justify the company's actions at the industrial tribunal that will almost certainly follow )
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Wonder who shopped him ? Not much "unity" there .....
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'Pour encourager les autres'
The following phrase sprang to mind :-
'Pour encourager les autres' is a quote from Voltaire's 'Candide', often used in the context of political punishment and persecution.
The phrase 'pour encourager les autres' has subsequently entered the language, and is frequently used in the media whenever the official punishment for an act has seemed to be out of proportion to the act itself, or where the punishment has an element of political bias to it (in order to encourager les autres to shut up and keep their heads down). In these gentler times the term is often applied to sackings, or footballers who have been given a red card.
So there you have it........
'Pour encourager les autres' is a quote from Voltaire's 'Candide', often used in the context of political punishment and persecution.
The phrase 'pour encourager les autres' has subsequently entered the language, and is frequently used in the media whenever the official punishment for an act has seemed to be out of proportion to the act itself, or where the punishment has an element of political bias to it (in order to encourager les autres to shut up and keep their heads down). In these gentler times the term is often applied to sackings, or footballers who have been given a red card.
So there you have it........
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The cause of union recognition in Ryanair was a fight that took place and was lost many years ago. BALPA came, played by the rules and took a beating that from those of us in Ryanair was embarrassing. They were outclassed outplayed and ran with their tail between there legs. Now Ryanair pilots themselves are responsible for this not BALPA being naive. What I find amusing is the same management now perceive a threat that I personally think is non existent. The paranoia is simply astounding. What threat ? what union ? . Are the trying to distract us from the fact that we took a shafting in April. Gave up productivity for free (A/L, LTC, No pay rise). All UK bases were frozen last week no transfers, no upgrades, was there a whimper was there 
. O'Lolly loses close to a billion in cocked up hedging and aer lingus shares.....is it mentioned No. We will be doing CDA approachs for a long time to make that kind of dough back. Anyway bottom line we are all sheep, admit it know it now get back into the flock with me like good boys...Baaaaa
. O'Lolly loses close to a billion in cocked up hedging and aer lingus shares.....is it mentioned No. We will be doing CDA approachs for a long time to make that kind of dough back. Anyway bottom line we are all sheep, admit it know it now get back into the flock with me like good boys...Baaaaa
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unless you are part of a recognised Union, then it is not legal to strike.
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FOR GOD's SAKE! STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why on Earth do ANY of you put op with this 19th century slavery?! Don't you FR guys have any self-respect?!
One of the most important things in being a professional and safe flight-crew member is having a backbone, it seems that FR pilots are just jellyfish...
Why on Earth do ANY of you put op with this 19th century slavery?! Don't you FR guys have any self-respect?!
One of the most important things in being a professional and safe flight-crew member is having a backbone, it seems that FR pilots are just jellyfish...
I would then wonder...would the poster with the above listed quote care to put his job on the line to enable 'better' employee relations at FR?
No?
Thought not.
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How were his actions deemed to be A FLIGHT SAFETY ISSUE ?!
The same thing applies if you are working in an office or working on a farm. When employed by an employer the employer has the right to expect that during your working hours while being paid you are working exclusively for them unless they agree otherwise. Handing out leaflets for an organisation is doing work for that organisation.
The fact that BALPA was not paying this person to hand out the leaflets does not detract from the fact that they were working for BALPA.
Had the pilot spoken with people and said "see me after work and I will give you a leaflet" then there can not be a problem since people have the right to talk about anything they like and it would be alsmost impossible to prove that such "talk" affected the work being done.
Finally I expect that UK employment law will have no effect on this matter if the pilot was employed in Ireland or was "self employed".
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DFC
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Handing out leaflets.......??
What about 'recognition roulette' that was posted on the internal web system as a 'must read' document along with real safety related issues/documents?? i assume 99% of pilots read this 'safety' related pile of horse s**t when they reported for work........and im sure they read it there and then,certainly eating into the 45min report time,when flight plans,weather briefing and other 'safety' related tasks should be completed.....
As i have said on my (1) previous post,im still unsure about BALPA,but something like this,where one of the 'good' guys gets targeted,well,it makes you think,it cant get much worse.......
My thoughts go out to the captain,ive flown with him many a time,hes a good operator,a safe operator and a really nice chap also.a real loss.
good luck buddy.
What about 'recognition roulette' that was posted on the internal web system as a 'must read' document along with real safety related issues/documents?? i assume 99% of pilots read this 'safety' related pile of horse s**t when they reported for work........and im sure they read it there and then,certainly eating into the 45min report time,when flight plans,weather briefing and other 'safety' related tasks should be completed.....
As i have said on my (1) previous post,im still unsure about BALPA,but something like this,where one of the 'good' guys gets targeted,well,it makes you think,it cant get much worse.......
My thoughts go out to the captain,ive flown with him many a time,hes a good operator,a safe operator and a really nice chap also.a real loss.
good luck buddy.
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It's abou ttime...
That you soft lot on 'mol's' bouncy castle don't stand the heck up, and be counted
Do you realise what damage you are letting this bunch of
shag awful 'itinerants' (to use the legal Irish term) are doing to the good name of Tony Ryan RIP. And to yourselves, and others, if you can work for a third world employer in a so called first world country, then you are a sad bunch
I'll never get anywhere near one of yr acft, go to SNN allot, fly & hire or get the ferry. Even the folks in SNN hate MOL
Do you realise what damage you are letting this bunch ofshag awful 'itinerants' (to use the legal Irish term) are doing to the good name of Tony Ryan RIP. And to yourselves, and others, if you can work for a third world employer in a so called first world country, then you are a sad bunch
I'll never get anywhere near one of yr acft, go to SNN allot, fly & hire or get the ferry. Even the folks in SNN hate MOL
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No, but the company did, and that's why they sacked him on the spot.
This is what angers me so much. They are saying that talking to cabin crew during the flight amounts to a distraction that is a flight safety issue !!!
I never said that there was a flight safety issue.
This is what angers me so much. They are saying that talking to cabin crew during the flight amounts to a distraction that is a flight safety issue !!!
The bully-boy tactics step up a gear...
Aldente, think you may have hit the nail on the head on this one - this probably will not stand up in court but RYR were waiting to make 'a point'
and show their workforce whos 'boss' esp. during this time. Would make me laugh if it wasn't so pathetic, and someone has lost their job.
Personally I think MOL should off to North Korea, think his 'management' skills would be put to good use there.
Things have got to come to a head in favour of the people who fly and work on MOL's multi million £ machines.
Unbelievable.
and show their workforce whos 'boss' esp. during this time. Would make me laugh if it wasn't so pathetic, and someone has lost their job.
Personally I think MOL should
off to North Korea, think his 'management' skills would be put to good use there.Things have got to come to a head in favour of the people who fly and work on MOL's multi million £ machines.
Unbelievable.
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What very sad news this is, and sadder still that the likes of DFC get to spout their totally corrupted version of Employment Law on PPRuNe like Islamists spout bits of their holy book to suit their rogue agendas.
This captain should now proceed to take Ryanair for a few hundred thousand (he won't need a union lawyer for something this blatant) and those of you that counted said captain as a colleague should get your sorry a$$es into gear right now and start bringing your rogue employer to heel in oh so many ways.
This captain should now proceed to take Ryanair for a few hundred thousand (he won't need a union lawyer for something this blatant) and those of you that counted said captain as a colleague should get your sorry a$$es into gear right now and start bringing your rogue employer to heel in oh so many ways.
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unionised work environments fail.
supply and demand rules.
you are kidding yourselves if you believe otherwise.
Strike all you like, you'll kill the company you work for.
supply and demand rules.
you are kidding yourselves if you believe otherwise.
Strike all you like, you'll kill the company you work for.
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Please substantiate this statement.
Similar at the original National Airlines, in Miami.
Bud Maytag (similar in the thought process with MOL), played the FD guys like a Stradivarius violin...and beat 'em every time.
Read up on history...good examples are available.
However, it can be said with a good deal of accuracy...pilots are many times their own worst enemy.
Silly fools.
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pilots are many times their own worst enemy
And if I'd spent 70k-100k on training and was offered a job, I hate to admit it, but yeah, I'd have to take the job I'd have no choice
Due to these sort of people we now have airlines like FR where YOU have to PAY to apply for the job, PAY for the interview, PAY for the t/r, PAY for the uniform etc etc....whilst NOT being paid to train and it is slowly spreading to other airlines too.
I have recently qualified and like most other low houred f/atpl's, I'm struggling to find a job, but I'll be voting with my feet as I DO have a choice - I will not apply for a job with that awful company.
Good luck with your vote to get union recognition.
