Flights at risk as pilots refuse to accept 'demeaning' ID cards
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What is wrong with an Identity Card ?
In Continental Europe, everybody has one and must carry it at all time. People are used to it and nobody complains.
In Continental Europe, everybody has one and must carry it at all time. People are used to it and nobody complains.
I don't see then what's the difference in term of privacy especially the one containing data chips with all your informations.
I've ID card, credit card sized, with limited visible info about me "not showing my private adress either" containing a chip of datas...and nobody was looking for it so far through digital readers.
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No No No 2 Id.
No 2 ID.
I predict a riot.
So peed off, I'm joining BALPA.
This government has spent 11 years decimating our civil liberties.
This ID card will finally achieve their agenda of total population control.
I predict a riot.
So peed off, I'm joining BALPA.
This government has spent 11 years decimating our civil liberties.
This ID card will finally achieve their agenda of total population control.
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As someone who has been fighting this at all levels for a long time, I congratulate BALPA on it's stance.
However, It will not be the action of a group of people who defeat this. It will be the first individual penalised for refusing to have an ID card.
The Government have been using the consultation to find areas of least resistance. At the last meeting with the Home Office officials they said that the ID cards at the trial airports would only be required by new employees and anyone stupid enough to want one on a voluntary basis. During the trial period no one would be forced to have an ID.
Comparisons to European Identity cards is a waste of time and effort as is arguing with those who make the point.
The UK Government will link many databases to the National ID scheme. The UK Government are forcing children onto a database under the guise of protection. What they want to eventually create is a generation who take tracking and ID for granted and have no thoughts against it.
MP's, High ranking Government Officials and Celebrities(?) will not have their children registered. This is for security(?) reasons.
The Country needs to wake up from the sleep it's been in for the last 10 years and start demonstrating. Lobby MP's, Write to News Papers. Kick out the MP's who support this bill. Whatever it takes.
One things for sure. If this was a Tory policy, all the TU's would be on the streets marching. The fact is that apart from BALPA, they are letting down their members and playing politics with peoples lives.
Nice to see the Pilot community stepping up to the mark.....
However, It will not be the action of a group of people who defeat this. It will be the first individual penalised for refusing to have an ID card.
The Government have been using the consultation to find areas of least resistance. At the last meeting with the Home Office officials they said that the ID cards at the trial airports would only be required by new employees and anyone stupid enough to want one on a voluntary basis. During the trial period no one would be forced to have an ID.
Comparisons to European Identity cards is a waste of time and effort as is arguing with those who make the point.
The UK Government will link many databases to the National ID scheme. The UK Government are forcing children onto a database under the guise of protection. What they want to eventually create is a generation who take tracking and ID for granted and have no thoughts against it.
MP's, High ranking Government Officials and Celebrities(?) will not have their children registered. This is for security(?) reasons.
The Country needs to wake up from the sleep it's been in for the last 10 years and start demonstrating. Lobby MP's, Write to News Papers. Kick out the MP's who support this bill. Whatever it takes.
One things for sure. If this was a Tory policy, all the TU's would be on the streets marching. The fact is that apart from BALPA, they are letting down their members and playing politics with peoples lives.
Nice to see the Pilot community stepping up to the mark.....
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This really is a perfect opportunity. As a profession, you already have huge public support. Holding your ground on this issue will only increase that standing and may well get this ridiculous scheme wiped out for good. Look forward to the stand-off. Good luck!
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Whoooo. Pink Handbags at 30 paces. Don't worry about ID cards, the spelling police are out there!
Get a life. It's the expression of opinion that count - not the spelling. We all get tired and hmake mistakes sometimes!
Get a life. It's the expression of opinion that count - not the spelling. We all get tired and hmake mistakes sometimes!
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Too many IDs already
As UK pilots we already have 4 different types of ID. I carry all of these to work every day.
1.Passport.
2.Driving licence.
3.Pilots licence
4.Airport ID (additionally to Disclosure Scotland my airport now requires an IRIS scan to be recorded on the airport ID).
Why on earth do we need a 5th type of ID card? What is wrong with the 4 we already have?
1.Passport.
2.Driving licence.
3.Pilots licence
4.Airport ID (additionally to Disclosure Scotland my airport now requires an IRIS scan to be recorded on the airport ID).
Why on earth do we need a 5th type of ID card? What is wrong with the 4 we already have?
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One of several versions of Burke's famous quote:
I am retired, but I still feel strongly about this issue, and I am really happy that BALPA has taken up the cudgel. Now is the time to nip it in the bud.
All that is needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing
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I can see no reason why ID cards should be implemented, and further more why they should be trialled on some of the most security burdened and bureaucracy laden staff in the country. Specifically related to flight crew, the frustrations that are felt whilst dealing with the security SS now are bad enough, let alone adding another level of checking to the process of reporting to work. When will this be officially recognised as a factor in flight safety?
BALPA have my full support in this matter, and I hope non-BALPA colleagues also consider giving the union their support.
BALPA have my full support in this matter, and I hope non-BALPA colleagues also consider giving the union their support.
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Flights at risk?
Only perhaps for UK airports....AMS, CDG, FRA etc and the airlines based there will benefit.
It will have an overall very small effect on European air travel.
BALPA?
Ha! A paper tiger, as usual.
The locals will huff and puff....and accept what they are told.
As usual.
Only perhaps for UK airports....AMS, CDG, FRA etc and the airlines based there will benefit.
It will have an overall very small effect on European air travel.
BALPA?
Ha! A paper tiger, as usual.
The locals will huff and puff....and accept what they are told.
As usual.
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The locals will huff and puff....and accept what they are told.
As usual.
As usual.
Road pricing protests started quietly and ended up with over a million people taking the trouble to let the government know what they thought. Poll tax suffered a lot of protests from outright non-payment to those who just made it difficult. Fuel tax was another one that got them going a bit.
The UK government budget for ID cards includes an amount to deal with those who are not going to willingly participate in the process, so don't assume that ID cards will ever reach the masses. If nothing else, hopefully the electorate will just go for one of the main opposition parties, both of which have said they'd abolish the cards and the evil database behind them. The next election must take place either this year or next year and ID cards aren't due until 2012 for the masses.
What is wrong with an Identity Card ?
In Continental Europe, everybody has one and must carry it at all time. People are used to it and nobody complains
In Continental Europe, everybody has one and must carry it at all time. People are used to it and nobody complains
( and an Airside Pass !! )
FLAPHANDLEMOVER........................If you PROFESS to being PROFESSIONAL please be PROFESSIONAL and learn to spell it correctly
bar none - big deal, did you have any difficulty in understanding what FLAPHANDLEMOVER was trying to say ?
Have you NEVER misspelled a word, or made a typing error when using a keyboard ?
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If the ID Card is intended to replace the Airside pass, as some people seem to think, and thus provide a pass that's common to all airports, it's doomed to failure in this role. Airports are required by law to instal systems that track each use of an airside pass. Firstly, they must be able to recognise every pass that's used, and secondly they are of different types. This is why the lovely idea of an airside pass that works at all airports cannot be implemented.
If the national ID Card is not intended to replace airside passes, which must be the case for the reason above, then it is just another form of ID (easily falsified) that must be carried as well as passports, aircrew and engineer licences, driving licences, etc etc, and as such is a pointless product of the Government's stupidity, driven by the firms that will make billions and the politicians on their payrolls.
If the national ID Card is not intended to replace airside passes, which must be the case for the reason above, then it is just another form of ID (easily falsified) that must be carried as well as passports, aircrew and engineer licences, driving licences, etc etc, and as such is a pointless product of the Government's stupidity, driven by the firms that will make billions and the politicians on their payrolls.
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To clarify:
ID Cards in Germany (and presumably in many other continental European countries) are simply a "Passport Light". For example, in Germany, you are not required to have an ID card if you have a passport. It is also an urban myth that you always have to carry it with you. You only need to possess either a passport or an ID card.
ID Cards can be used for travel within the EEA (= EU + Norway + Iceland + Liechtenstein) and Switzerland. Additionally some popular tourist destinations such as Turkey or Morocco do not require a passport from German nationals, but only an ID card.
The German ID Card is a lot cheaper than the German passport, a lot lighter and a lot easier to carry. Personally, I find it a lot less intrusive having to show an ID card when, e.g., opening a bank account than having to come up with utility bills, bank statements and other idiocies like that. The ID card only contains my name, my picture, my date and place of birth, my height, my eye colour, my address and an ID card number (which changes every time you get a new ID card).
I do not really understand the reluctance of the Brits to such an ID card; I however do understand the reluctance of having all data pooled in one big database. I can just imagine a civil servant forgetting a copy of the entire database on a data stick on a train at some point in the future...
ID Cards in Germany (and presumably in many other continental European countries) are simply a "Passport Light". For example, in Germany, you are not required to have an ID card if you have a passport. It is also an urban myth that you always have to carry it with you. You only need to possess either a passport or an ID card.
ID Cards can be used for travel within the EEA (= EU + Norway + Iceland + Liechtenstein) and Switzerland. Additionally some popular tourist destinations such as Turkey or Morocco do not require a passport from German nationals, but only an ID card.
The German ID Card is a lot cheaper than the German passport, a lot lighter and a lot easier to carry. Personally, I find it a lot less intrusive having to show an ID card when, e.g., opening a bank account than having to come up with utility bills, bank statements and other idiocies like that. The ID card only contains my name, my picture, my date and place of birth, my height, my eye colour, my address and an ID card number (which changes every time you get a new ID card).
I do not really understand the reluctance of the Brits to such an ID card; I however do understand the reluctance of having all data pooled in one big database. I can just imagine a civil servant forgetting a copy of the entire database on a data stick on a train at some point in the future...