Flights at risk as pilots refuse to accept 'demeaning' ID cards

[call100]

There are even more similarities between what the Nazi's,Stasi, and KGB used to gather information on people and the present Government. Using informants to gather uncorroborated information was the mainstay of the system in both Germany and Russia.
The whole thing has less to do with Child safety and more to do with collating the huge database that they are set on compiling.
Unfortunately (Apart from waiting for the next election) the only way to do anything is for those who work with children to resist the proposals. This won't happen because, many who do the work are social workers who are already pre-programmed to follow the doctrine of the party.....
The Government thought aviation workers would be a walkover. They have seen that this is not the case and see this as an even easier target with a much larger potential. Having said that, they are determined to get things in through the back door in aviation, so, we must be ever vigilant and prepared to resist.
The fight goes on!!

[Spartacan]

Here is the latest on the e-Borders scheme:

Eurostar frustrated by 'illegal' e-Borders scheme ? The Register

>>The UK Border Agency wants carriers to collect the data abroad on its behalf. Eurostar believes this will mean driving an express train through French and Belgian data legislation, both of which implement the EU data laws.

"We believe, and the legal advice we have had is that it is not legal to export the sort of data required by e-Borders within the EU, and it is only legal to export that data outside of the EU," the firm's customer service director told the Home Affairs Select Committee back in June.<<

So this collection of our personal data is basically illegal - and the Government is ignoring the evidence?

[Spartacan]

Home Office minister to take part in ID card webchat:

Home Office minister to take part in ID card webchat - News - Manchester Evening News

>>FOLLOWING the launch of the government's ID card scheme in Manchester, Junior Home Office Minister Meg Hillier will be taking part in a webchat to answer your questions. Meg Hillier will be online here at 2pm Monday November 23 for a live discussion about how the introduction of the ID card scheme is going. You can join the webchat live, or you can email questions to Meg Hillier here:<<

website at men-news.co.uk

I guess we'll all be busy on Monday!

[cwatters]

I'd like to know why I can't have an ID card yet. Not having one is costing me a small amount of money each year on my utility bills. I'd like to save by switching to electronic billing but local hire companies insist I provide at least two utility bills to prove my identity. Hopefully they would accept an ID card instead?

[Sallyann1234]

What's wrong with your driving licence and passport? Always been good enough ID for me. The utility bill is usually to establish your address and there are other means for that - e.g. council tax bill.

[Xeque]

Here in Thailand we have a 'house book' in which the names off the current occupants of the house where you live are recorded. It forms the basis of the electoral roll. You cannot legally be registered in more than one house at a time.
All Thai's carry an Identity Card with photograph and the usual details, ID number, DOB, gender, name, address all etched onto the plastic. You can't get an identity card unless you have a valid 'house book' entry.
Foreign residents like me have our passport and immigration documents to identify us. However, if you have a Thai drivers license (same details as the ID card) you don't have to carry your passport around with you.
A Thai ID card costs 30 Baht ( about 70 pence) A Thai drivers license is 250 Baht (about £5).
The point I make is this. Why do the British have to come up with such an intrusive, unacceptably expensive and convoluted ID card system when a (supposedly) Third World country like Thailand (and other countries I've lived in like KSA, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi) can set themselves up with a quick, easy and wholly workable system at a fraction of the cost and without upsetting anyone?

[Sallyann1234]

Why do the British have to come up with such an intrusive, unacceptably expensive and convoluted ID card system when a (supposedly) Third World country like Thailand (and other countries I've lived in like KSA, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi) can set themselves up with a quick, easy and wholly workable system at a fraction of the cost and without upsetting anyone?

When you find the answer Xeque, please post it here as we would all like to know.
Our driving licence already has about the same data that is recorded on your ID card and driving licence.

[Xeque]

Sallyann1234

I can hazard a guess. Socialist dogma dictates absolute control over the proletariat whilst providing employment for it's own adherents by engaging them in meaningless bureaucracy. Complex ID cards, biometric passports, millions employed to administer it (and lose the data on trains and in taxis) - it's all the staff of life to these people.

[cwatters]

What's wrong with your driving licence and passport? Always been good enough ID for me. The utility bill is usually to establish your address and there are other means for that - e.g. council tax bill.

Nothing wrong with a driving licence and passport. Around here they want those AND two utility bills to hire a van. They won't accept the council tax bill if it's more than 6 months old. Bank statement are accepted but not credit card or mobile phone bills. I'm surprised they accept utility bills as it would be so easy to fake one.

[Sallyann1234]

Around here they want those AND two utility bills to hire a van.

Then I suggest you try another hire company. Last time I hired a car, my driving licence and credit card were quite sufficient.

[This is dragging an important subject off-topic so I will leave it there.]