Canada 3000 is Gone
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I’m afraid your assessment of C3 management and board of directors is accurate. It’s hard to believe after watching Cdn Int’l struggles with its acquisition spurge that C3 would repeat the same mistakes. Hasn’t management any airline experience at all? Its time the industry needs a headshake…
My thoughts are with C3 employee group who still has to feed the kids and pay the mortgages and live with their dreams shattered. The only upside to the current mess is that C3 will resurface under a new name in a few months. But as a niche player…
I’m afraid your assessment of C3 management and board of directors is accurate. It’s hard to believe after watching Cdn Int’l struggles with its acquisition spurge that C3 would repeat the same mistakes. Hasn’t management any airline experience at all? Its time the industry needs a headshake…
My thoughts are with C3 employee group who still has to feed the kids and pay the mortgages and live with their dreams shattered. The only upside to the current mess is that C3 will resurface under a new name in a few months. But as a niche player…
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Just exactly which niche do you think C3 will try to fill, if they are resurrected? Assuming you mean back to the charter biz, forever forgetting about the sched market, that would be a tough road to travel.
If (a really big IF) they could get the ball rolling again, by the time they do, the business from their major tour operators will be long gone to another carrier. Word on the street is that Skyservice and Air Transat are in competition to win the hearts of Signature, Conquest and the others, with SSV on the inside track, mostly because they don't own any tour operators themselves, and therefore not directly in competition with the tour operators.
Time will tell. Hope whomever wins the business will find some room for at least some ex-C3rs. They're good and loyal folks who deserve better than they got last week.
Scud
If (a really big IF) they could get the ball rolling again, by the time they do, the business from their major tour operators will be long gone to another carrier. Word on the street is that Skyservice and Air Transat are in competition to win the hearts of Signature, Conquest and the others, with SSV on the inside track, mostly because they don't own any tour operators themselves, and therefore not directly in competition with the tour operators.
Time will tell. Hope whomever wins the business will find some room for at least some ex-C3rs. They're good and loyal folks who deserve better than they got last week.
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I was referring to the charter biz, but you're right, its going to be a tough road. Lets hope that there is a little fairness out there for the employees involved.
If the AC unions and management don't get their act together rather quickly, and bury their mutual attitude problems, they'll be next...
The investors are only interested in the bottom line and that's the new reality...
[ 13 November 2001: Message edited by: Tan ]
I was referring to the charter biz, but you're right, its going to be a tough road. Lets hope that there is a little fairness out there for the employees involved.
If the AC unions and management don't get their act together rather quickly, and bury their mutual attitude problems, they'll be next...
The investors are only interested in the bottom line and that's the new reality...
[ 13 November 2001: Message edited by: Tan ]
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Great sympathies to all at C3000. It's a tragic sight all these airlines dropping now.
I am fascinated at the lack of 'expert informed opinion' from such idiots as Guvnerd & 411B. Where are the 'experts' with instant opinions on everything ever ready to tell us how it should be done? Well it was done to their wishes this time wasn't it?
I am fascinated at the lack of 'expert informed opinion' from such idiots as Guvnerd & 411B. Where are the 'experts' with instant opinions on everything ever ready to tell us how it should be done? Well it was done to their wishes this time wasn't it?
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Im not suprised Canada 3000 went bust. I flew out LGW- YYZ on the 07th Nov and the flight was terrible. Grim Faced cabin crew, zero legroom, a ridiculous 3-3-3 config on an A310 where I had the unfortunate aisle seat forcing carts and people to bump into me as they walked past.
If all flights are like that, No wonder they went under.
To make matters worse we were due to fly back on 11th Nov so we were starnded in YYZ. Went to the C3 info desk on 09th Nov when we heard about news to enquire about plans for pax that were stranded and got the answer 'there are no plans! make your own way back'!!! What sort of bloody service is that? - ok so they did stop operations that day and I dont know what the S.O.P for this sort of thing is but I would have at least thought they would have had a contingency plan for the stranded pax. This sort of 'oh well, we've ceased operations, sod the passengers' is appauling.
Then went to BA to explain predicament, they wanted to charge me full whack for 1 way £500!! same applied to KLM.
Very nicely, Air Canada let us have a ticket for 50% reduction of the normal price which in the end cost me £220 and was an excellent service- top marks to Air Canada!
If all flights are like that, No wonder they went under.
To make matters worse we were due to fly back on 11th Nov so we were starnded in YYZ. Went to the C3 info desk on 09th Nov when we heard about news to enquire about plans for pax that were stranded and got the answer 'there are no plans! make your own way back'!!! What sort of bloody service is that? - ok so they did stop operations that day and I dont know what the S.O.P for this sort of thing is but I would have at least thought they would have had a contingency plan for the stranded pax. This sort of 'oh well, we've ceased operations, sod the passengers' is appauling.
Then went to BA to explain predicament, they wanted to charge me full whack for 1 way £500!! same applied to KLM.
Very nicely, Air Canada let us have a ticket for 50% reduction of the normal price which in the end cost me £220 and was an excellent service- top marks to Air Canada!
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Im not suprised Canada 3000 went bust. I flew out LGW- YYZ on the 07th Nov and the flight was terrible. Grim Faced cabin crew, zero legroom, a ridiculous 3-3-3 config on an A310 where I had the unfortunate aisle seat forcing carts and people to bump into me as they walked past.
If all flights are like that, No wonder they went under.
To make matters worse we were due to fly back on 11th Nov so we were starnded in YYZ. Went to the C3 info desk on 09th Nov when we heard about news to enquire about plans for pax that were stranded and got the answer 'there are no plans! make your own way back'!!! What sort of bloody service is that? - ok so they did stop operations that day and I dont know what the S.O.P for this sort of thing is but I would have at least thought they would have had a contingency plan for the stranded pax. This sort of 'oh well, we've ceased operations, sod the passengers' is appauling.
Then went to BA to explain predicament, they wanted to charge me full whack for 1 way £500!! same applied to KLM.
Very nicely, Air Canada let us have a ticket for 50% reduction of the normal price which in the end cost me £220 and was an excellent service- top marks to Air Canada!
If all flights are like that, No wonder they went under.
To make matters worse we were due to fly back on 11th Nov so we were starnded in YYZ. Went to the C3 info desk on 09th Nov when we heard about news to enquire about plans for pax that were stranded and got the answer 'there are no plans! make your own way back'!!! What sort of bloody service is that? - ok so they did stop operations that day and I dont know what the S.O.P for this sort of thing is but I would have at least thought they would have had a contingency plan for the stranded pax. This sort of 'oh well, we've ceased operations, sod the passengers' is appauling.
Then went to BA to explain predicament, they wanted to charge me full whack for 1 way £500!! same applied to KLM.
Very nicely, Air Canada let us have a ticket for 50% reduction of the normal price which in the end cost me £220 and was an excellent service- top marks to Air Canada!
darkstar_45,
All Canada 3000 flights aren't like the one you describe. The A310 you travelled on was one of those acquired from Royal when they took over that operation a year or so ago. I agree that the 3-3-3 arrangement is ridiculous but I believe that there were plans to refit these aircraft with interiors that matched the reat of the Canada 3000 fleet.
The 757s were a bit cramped too but Canada 3000 A330s are really not that different to Air Canada's A330 economy cabin in terms of comfort. 2-4-2 with similar seat pitch.
All Canada 3000 flights aren't like the one you describe. The A310 you travelled on was one of those acquired from Royal when they took over that operation a year or so ago. I agree that the 3-3-3 arrangement is ridiculous but I believe that there were plans to refit these aircraft with interiors that matched the reat of the Canada 3000 fleet.
The 757s were a bit cramped too but Canada 3000 A330s are really not that different to Air Canada's A330 economy cabin in terms of comfort. 2-4-2 with similar seat pitch.
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Tears of disappointment and of shattered dreams are flowing down the cheeks of many ex-employees of the now defunct Canada 3000.
The anger of this group seems to have superceded common sense and, for reasons perhaps not that difficult to understand, they march and protest its’ (predictable) demise. Choosing to blame government instead of Canada 3000 management. Have they nothing better to do?
Humans seem to always take the easy way out. For, there is comfort in numbers. Especially, at times like these. Why this group of less than 5,000 would or should EXPECT the government to ‘make it better’ clearly illustrates how little they knew of or understood the Canadian airline industry, it’s evolution, and history. A history which has yet again, repeated itself.
How naive?
Recent events have clearly shown government intervention is not in the cards. Or was this group not paying attention?
Free market economy, investor confidence, and customer support should prevail and if Canada 3000 are to re-emerge, it should not be on the backs of the taxpayer. The Canadian traveler simply doesn’t give a stuff about WHO provides the competition and Canada 3000 is no more the object of the travelers affection than the next guy.
It’s simply a matter of price.
To suggest we need Canada 3000 is preposterous.
To suggest we need a Canada 3000 to compete with Air Canada is ridiculous.
We need instead, a carrier to do what Canada 3000 did best which was to sustain a strong and viable charter industry where they were clearly number 1. Just as Wardair should have done a little over a decade ago. The lessons however, seem not to have been learned.
Canada 3000 management have instead chosen to take their comparisons to Wardair to heart and joined them in the Hall of Famous Ex’s.
Sadly, others are likely to join them within the year.
Whatever IS this world coming to?
The anger of this group seems to have superceded common sense and, for reasons perhaps not that difficult to understand, they march and protest its’ (predictable) demise. Choosing to blame government instead of Canada 3000 management. Have they nothing better to do?
Humans seem to always take the easy way out. For, there is comfort in numbers. Especially, at times like these. Why this group of less than 5,000 would or should EXPECT the government to ‘make it better’ clearly illustrates how little they knew of or understood the Canadian airline industry, it’s evolution, and history. A history which has yet again, repeated itself.
How naive?
Recent events have clearly shown government intervention is not in the cards. Or was this group not paying attention?
Free market economy, investor confidence, and customer support should prevail and if Canada 3000 are to re-emerge, it should not be on the backs of the taxpayer. The Canadian traveler simply doesn’t give a stuff about WHO provides the competition and Canada 3000 is no more the object of the travelers affection than the next guy.
It’s simply a matter of price.
To suggest we need Canada 3000 is preposterous.
To suggest we need a Canada 3000 to compete with Air Canada is ridiculous.
We need instead, a carrier to do what Canada 3000 did best which was to sustain a strong and viable charter industry where they were clearly number 1. Just as Wardair should have done a little over a decade ago. The lessons however, seem not to have been learned.
Canada 3000 management have instead chosen to take their comparisons to Wardair to heart and joined them in the Hall of Famous Ex’s.
Sadly, others are likely to join them within the year.
Whatever IS this world coming to?
