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Or the other one that i always thought was pretty close to reality was,
Q: How do you make a Million Dollars in Aviation?
A: You start with 2 Million
I can't believe how bad the industry is crumbling!! The thing is that this is probably the safest time to fly in the history of aviation, but the general public are just to dense to see that!!!!!
Q: How do you make a Million Dollars in Aviation?
A: You start with 2 Million
I can't believe how bad the industry is crumbling!! The thing is that this is probably the safest time to fly in the history of aviation, but the general public are just to dense to see that!!!!!
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Dash Pilot, does this mean that the court order obtained in Ontario yesterday, under the Companies' Creditors Arrangements Act, is now redundant?
Yesterday, Angus J. Kinnear, the airline President said, "Delays in securing concessions essential to our restructuring have prompted the decision to seek the protection of the court. This step allows us to continue serving the travelling public while restructuring our operations to ensure the long term viability of Canada 3000."
Yesterday, Angus J. Kinnear, the airline President said, "Delays in securing concessions essential to our restructuring have prompted the decision to seek the protection of the court. This step allows us to continue serving the travelling public while restructuring our operations to ensure the long term viability of Canada 3000."
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So whats going to happen to the A330 that just arrived at LGW at 11:45? C3 going to have to scrape some money together to bring it back? It was only yesterday the A340 was impounded here...
Just a numbered other
From the Canada 3000 website:
'Clearly, Canada 3000's decade of dedication to reliable, affordable air travel will continue well into the next millennium.'
From the BBC:
'Canada 3000 has ceased operations with immediate effect leaving passengers due to fly from Glasgow to Toronto stranded'
Here's hoping there's a bottom to the pit we're falling collectively in to. Good Luck all.
'Clearly, Canada 3000's decade of dedication to reliable, affordable air travel will continue well into the next millennium.'
From the BBC:
'Canada 3000 has ceased operations with immediate effect leaving passengers due to fly from Glasgow to Toronto stranded'
Here's hoping there's a bottom to the pit we're falling collectively in to. Good Luck all.
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Well, why are the Canadian public, airline unionized employees and the Government expressing surprise at the demise of C3?
The infrastructure costs of running a safe airline are huge. The traveling public, unions and government have to realize that low fares don't cover the real costs. The country does not have enough people to support two airlines.....
Airfares have to go up so that investors make a return on their investment. That's reality....
The infrastructure costs of running a safe airline are huge. The traveling public, unions and government have to realize that low fares don't cover the real costs. The country does not have enough people to support two airlines.....
Airfares have to go up so that investors make a return on their investment. That's reality....
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Joe Co, you state
"I can't believe how bad the industry is crumbling!! The thing is that this is probably the safest time to fly in the history of aviation, but the general public are just to dense to see that!!!!!"
As a humble pax (& private pilot, but that's of no consequence here) I would like to say that, yes, there is a "dense" element to the general public, but there's also some practical aspects and considerations to this whole sorry mess.
Post 911, anyone who WASNT dense would foresee the media circus and general panic-rousing that would go on. Indeed, these forums here were full of dire predictions about airlines almost within hours of that awful event.
Follow it through.... if I'm planning on sept 12th to buy airline tickets to XXX for a holiday, and if I'm not dense, I'll be worried primarily about whether the ticket I'd be buying would be worth a bean by the time I come to take a trip (ie the airline goes bust and I'm left with a scrap of paper in my hand).
Another aspect of this (it seems) is that airlines were in pretty bad shape generally speaking before the 911, and that there has arguably been a degree of cynical exploitation of the situation by the beancounters to justify radical restructuring of large, overweight corporate organisations. This isnt only happening in the airline industry.
As a final & somewhat cynical observation, I rather got the impression (working in the IT industry as I do) that a very large proportion of international business trips were effectively junkets and rewards for execs.
Technology & communications advances had already started the beancounters wondering why the heck everyone was flying around everywhere when they'd just invested in worldwide communications technologies. 911 has just brought all these aspects into conjunction and made everyone stop & re-evaluate.
....and god, I really do feel for you guys right now, honestly. if its any comfort at all, (well its cold comfort really) then my sector of IT has been hit very badly too, and my job prospects are not looking good post Xmas.
It seems that the terrorists have indeed achieved far, far more than the direct physical damage that they inflicted - but they have been assisted indirectly by the short-term, reactive, beancounting approach of company execs & corporate environments the world over. These people do not represent countries, principles, the value of people or democracies - they represent economic greed, selfishness, the balance sheets, the stock value & shortsightedness.
"I can't believe how bad the industry is crumbling!! The thing is that this is probably the safest time to fly in the history of aviation, but the general public are just to dense to see that!!!!!"
As a humble pax (& private pilot, but that's of no consequence here) I would like to say that, yes, there is a "dense" element to the general public, but there's also some practical aspects and considerations to this whole sorry mess.
Post 911, anyone who WASNT dense would foresee the media circus and general panic-rousing that would go on. Indeed, these forums here were full of dire predictions about airlines almost within hours of that awful event.
Follow it through.... if I'm planning on sept 12th to buy airline tickets to XXX for a holiday, and if I'm not dense, I'll be worried primarily about whether the ticket I'd be buying would be worth a bean by the time I come to take a trip (ie the airline goes bust and I'm left with a scrap of paper in my hand).
Another aspect of this (it seems) is that airlines were in pretty bad shape generally speaking before the 911, and that there has arguably been a degree of cynical exploitation of the situation by the beancounters to justify radical restructuring of large, overweight corporate organisations. This isnt only happening in the airline industry.
As a final & somewhat cynical observation, I rather got the impression (working in the IT industry as I do) that a very large proportion of international business trips were effectively junkets and rewards for execs.
Technology & communications advances had already started the beancounters wondering why the heck everyone was flying around everywhere when they'd just invested in worldwide communications technologies. 911 has just brought all these aspects into conjunction and made everyone stop & re-evaluate.
....and god, I really do feel for you guys right now, honestly. if its any comfort at all, (well its cold comfort really) then my sector of IT has been hit very badly too, and my job prospects are not looking good post Xmas.
It seems that the terrorists have indeed achieved far, far more than the direct physical damage that they inflicted - but they have been assisted indirectly by the short-term, reactive, beancounting approach of company execs & corporate environments the world over. These people do not represent countries, principles, the value of people or democracies - they represent economic greed, selfishness, the balance sheets, the stock value & shortsightedness.
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Tan, the other reality is that higher fares will empty the planes faster than the terrorists. None of the carriers can fly empty jets indefinitely- our only way out is to keep the fares down and operate fewer flights. And safety isn't the issue for the pax, it's the inconvenience being imposed by the futile "security measures" 
now in place; the check-in process takes more than an hour for 45-minute flight so more travellers are choosing to drive.
now in place; the check-in process takes more than an hour for 45-minute flight so more travellers are choosing to drive.
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C3's breakeven point was a 86% loadfactor. This is not a practical business plan... There is no way that low fares and full loads can support this industry.
I find people saying safety isn't the issue until there's an accident. Then their yelling about the safety issue and trying to sue everyone in sight. My goodness running a safe operation costs money...
The security issue is futile and everyone knows it. So why do we keep wasting valuable resources on it?
I suspect that the governments are practicing mass therapy on the population. Big brother is looking after us.
Pass the beer I going to need it....
C3's breakeven point was a 86% loadfactor. This is not a practical business plan... There is no way that low fares and full loads can support this industry.
I find people saying safety isn't the issue until there's an accident. Then their yelling about the safety issue and trying to sue everyone in sight. My goodness running a safe operation costs money...
The security issue is futile and everyone knows it. So why do we keep wasting valuable resources on it?
I suspect that the governments are practicing mass therapy on the population. Big brother is looking after us.
Pass the beer I going to need it....
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Big brother is looking after us.
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Did anyone else see the absolutely ridiculous article in the Globe & Mail on November 8 where reporter Jan Wong smuggled 11 different knives and box cutters onto 4 different flights?
Ya, thanks Ms.Wong. Just what we need right now to get our industry back on its feet is fearmongering and terrorist journalism.
Good luck to C3 guys and gals, we're all in this together.
Ya, thanks Ms.Wong. Just what we need right now to get our industry back on its feet is fearmongering and terrorist journalism.
Good luck to C3 guys and gals, we're all in this together.
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TAN Old boy,
IMHO you have it absolutely backwards (Post #178.
Airlines have to provide a product that CUSTOMERS are willing to buy. Now there is a strange concept.
Having recently concluded a three year long- distance relationship - happily she is back home - with stops in Boston, Albany, Cleveland and Columbus I think that I know whereof I speak.
Rather than bore you with the gory details, suffice it to say, I avoid AC if there is a reasonable alternative. AC (and others) thinks their flight starts at ‘push back’ and ends with ‘engines off’. Hate to tell you but, my trip starts when I push the button on the garage door closer and ends when I get my feet up at the other end.
However, let me give you a couple of examples:
(CYYZ - KCMH) Why would anyone in their right mind use AC - disinterested CSRs, no idea if flight is early or late, lousy ramp service, etc. - when they could use Chatauqua Airways (AA connector) CSR - Sir, a/c will be on the be about 15 minutes late arriving but with a quick turn-round within about 5 minutes of sked. And, sir, would you like the exit row; damn right, I am 6’5”, and they don’t assign those seats unless they see that you are capable of opening the exit in an emergency. Since the SAAB 340 is walk on, the Ramprats greet you at the ramp door and take your carry-on for Skycheck. (With AC you bloody well schlep it to the back of the -8 yourself.) When you board the a/c its “Good afternoon, sir, it is nice to have you with us again.” Damn right. Good to be back.
(CYYZ - KBOS) Since time my time wasn’t all that pressing. ( We live 100+ kliks ENE of YYZ) We drove south of YYZ ( road abuts airport property) to Buffalo. Nice lunch overlooking Niagara vineyards, cruise through border crossing ( She is US citizen, I am Canadian), no long check-in line at KBUF. We go through security (pre-11 SEP) and watch ShuttleAmerica -8 arrive. I leave and have business meeting in Canada on way home. She arrives at Hanscom KBED - doors open to car <10 mins, try that at Logan KBOS.
She is going to FL next week to pick up mom and bring her back for the hols. Have to fly AC, only direct flight, as mom, at 89, doesn’t do cattle cars. Since time is not a big deal, my wife will stay over the Saturday night ( and keep the airline marketing wizards happy ) and visit other family members.
Most airline executives, and Robert Milton is a perfect example, haven’t had an original idea in years.
TAN, the airlines were on a very slippery slope; even before 11 SEP, it just was a bigger pin going into the bubble. Just like the department stores died trying to be all things to all CUSTOMERS - there is that funny word again CUSTOMER get it - CUSTOMER comes first - we usually shop at upscale stores - never buy ‘branded’ products - but have been known to shop at WalMart and Dollar Stores.
Air Canada was like a snake swallowing Canadian. If management couldn’t see the contraction coming they just had to be dumb or stupid or both. Canada 3000 expanding with that debt load also had to have management that was dumb or stupid or both.
While I feel for the folks on the street, the companies should be allowed to go under. Since there is a demand for air travel, Phoenixes will appear, hopefully with a better model. There is competition for the business travel market; video conference meetings - that technology is improving rapidly - , fractional ownership - who is going to put up with the airport hassle on a regular, weekly, monthly basis?. High - relatively high - speed train; why would I backtrack to YYZ - 90 minute drive - to go through a 2 hour check-in hassle - for a one hour flight to Montreal CYUL - to go through an incredible hassle there when in three-quarters of an hour I can be on a comfortable train - with legroom - and get off in the city centre. If both of us are going for, say, the weekend we drive - not a contest.
To finish my rant: CUSTOMER SERVICE at a reasonable price and then the shareholders can expect to be happy if not (let) someone else will do the job.
IMHO you have it absolutely backwards (Post #178.
Airlines have to provide a product that CUSTOMERS are willing to buy. Now there is a strange concept.
Having recently concluded a three year long- distance relationship - happily she is back home - with stops in Boston, Albany, Cleveland and Columbus I think that I know whereof I speak.
Rather than bore you with the gory details, suffice it to say, I avoid AC if there is a reasonable alternative. AC (and others) thinks their flight starts at ‘push back’ and ends with ‘engines off’. Hate to tell you but, my trip starts when I push the button on the garage door closer and ends when I get my feet up at the other end.
However, let me give you a couple of examples:
(CYYZ - KCMH) Why would anyone in their right mind use AC - disinterested CSRs, no idea if flight is early or late, lousy ramp service, etc. - when they could use Chatauqua Airways (AA connector) CSR - Sir, a/c will be on the be about 15 minutes late arriving but with a quick turn-round within about 5 minutes of sked. And, sir, would you like the exit row; damn right, I am 6’5”, and they don’t assign those seats unless they see that you are capable of opening the exit in an emergency. Since the SAAB 340 is walk on, the Ramprats greet you at the ramp door and take your carry-on for Skycheck. (With AC you bloody well schlep it to the back of the -8 yourself.) When you board the a/c its “Good afternoon, sir, it is nice to have you with us again.” Damn right. Good to be back.
(CYYZ - KBOS) Since time my time wasn’t all that pressing. ( We live 100+ kliks ENE of YYZ) We drove south of YYZ ( road abuts airport property) to Buffalo. Nice lunch overlooking Niagara vineyards, cruise through border crossing ( She is US citizen, I am Canadian), no long check-in line at KBUF. We go through security (pre-11 SEP) and watch ShuttleAmerica -8 arrive. I leave and have business meeting in Canada on way home. She arrives at Hanscom KBED - doors open to car <10 mins, try that at Logan KBOS.
She is going to FL next week to pick up mom and bring her back for the hols. Have to fly AC, only direct flight, as mom, at 89, doesn’t do cattle cars. Since time is not a big deal, my wife will stay over the Saturday night ( and keep the airline marketing wizards happy ) and visit other family members.
Most airline executives, and Robert Milton is a perfect example, haven’t had an original idea in years.
TAN, the airlines were on a very slippery slope; even before 11 SEP, it just was a bigger pin going into the bubble. Just like the department stores died trying to be all things to all CUSTOMERS - there is that funny word again CUSTOMER get it - CUSTOMER comes first - we usually shop at upscale stores - never buy ‘branded’ products - but have been known to shop at WalMart and Dollar Stores.
Air Canada was like a snake swallowing Canadian. If management couldn’t see the contraction coming they just had to be dumb or stupid or both. Canada 3000 expanding with that debt load also had to have management that was dumb or stupid or both.
While I feel for the folks on the street, the companies should be allowed to go under. Since there is a demand for air travel, Phoenixes will appear, hopefully with a better model. There is competition for the business travel market; video conference meetings - that technology is improving rapidly - , fractional ownership - who is going to put up with the airport hassle on a regular, weekly, monthly basis?. High - relatively high - speed train; why would I backtrack to YYZ - 90 minute drive - to go through a 2 hour check-in hassle - for a one hour flight to Montreal CYUL - to go through an incredible hassle there when in three-quarters of an hour I can be on a comfortable train - with legroom - and get off in the city centre. If both of us are going for, say, the weekend we drive - not a contest.
To finish my rant: CUSTOMER SERVICE at a reasonable price and then the shareholders can expect to be happy if not (let) someone else will do the job.
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TAN Old boy,
IMHO you have it absolutely backwards (Post #178.
Airlines have to provide a product that CUSTOMERS are willing to buy. Now there is a strange concept.
Having recently concluded a three year long- distance relationship - happily she is back home - with stops in Boston, Albany, Cleveland and Columbus I think that I know whereof I speak.
Rather than bore you with the gory details, suffice it to say, I avoid AC if there is a reasonable alternative. AC (and others) thinks their flight starts at ‘push back’ and ends with ‘engines off’. Hate to tell you but, my trip starts when I push the button on the garage door closer and ends when I get my feet up at the other end.
However, let me give you a couple of examples:
(CYYZ - KCMH) Why would anyone in their right mind use AC - disinterested CSRs, no idea if flight is early or late, lousy ramp service, etc. - when they could use Chatauqua Airways (AA connector) CSR - Sir, a/c will be on the be about 15 minutes late arriving but with a quick turn-round within about 5 minutes of sked. And, sir, would you like the exit row; damn right, I am 6’5”, and they don’t assign those seats unless they see that you are capable of opening the exit in an emergency. Since the SAAB 340 is walk on, the Ramprats greet you at the ramp door and take your carry-on for Skycheck. (With AC you bloody well schlep it to the back of the -8 yourself.) When you board the a/c its “Good afternoon, sir, it is nice to have you with us again.” Damn right. Good to be back.
(CYYZ - KBOS) Since time my time wasn’t all that pressing. ( We live 100+ kliks ENE of YYZ) We drove south of YYZ ( road abuts airport property) to Buffalo. Nice lunch overlooking Niagara vineyards, cruise through border crossing ( She is US citizen, I am Canadian), no long check-in line at KBUF. We go through security (pre-11 SEP) and watch ShuttleAmerica -8 arrive. I leave and have business meeting in Canada on way home. She arrives at Hanscom KBED - doors open to car <10 mins, try that at Logan KBOS.
She is going to FL next week to pick up mom and bring her back for the hols. Have to fly AC, only direct flight, as mom, at 89, doesn’t do cattle cars. Since time is not a big deal, my wife will stay over the Saturday night ( and keep the airline marketing wizards happy ) and visit other family members.
Most airline executives, and Robert Milton is a perfect example, haven’t had an original idea in years.
TAN, the airlines were on a very slippery slope; even before 11 SEP, it just was a bigger pin going into the bubble. Just like the department stores died trying to be all things to all CUSTOMERS - there is that funny word again CUSTOMER get it - CUSTOMER comes first - we usually shop at upscale stores - never buy ‘branded’ products - but have been known to shop at WalMart and Dollar Stores.
Air Canada was like a snake swallowing Canadian. If management couldn’t see the contraction coming they just had to be dumb or stupid or both. Canada 3000 expanding with that debt load also had to have management that was dumb or stupid or both.
While I feel for the folks on the street, the companies should be allowed to go under. Since there is a demand for air travel, Phoenixes will appear, hopefully with a better model. There is competition for the business travel market; video conference meetings - that technology is improving rapidly - , fractional ownership - who is going to put up with the airport hassle on a regular, weekly, monthly basis?. High - relatively high - speed train; why would I backtrack to YYZ - 90 minute drive - to go through a 2 hour check-in hassle - for a one hour flight to Montreal CYUL - to go through an incredible hassle there when in three-quarters of an hour I can be on a comfortable train - with legroom - and get off in the city centre. If both of us are going for, say, the weekend we drive - not a contest.
To finish my rant: CUSTOMER SERVICE at a reasonable price and then the shareholders can expect to be happy if not (let) someone else will do the job.
IMHO you have it absolutely backwards (Post #178.
Airlines have to provide a product that CUSTOMERS are willing to buy. Now there is a strange concept.
Having recently concluded a three year long- distance relationship - happily she is back home - with stops in Boston, Albany, Cleveland and Columbus I think that I know whereof I speak.
Rather than bore you with the gory details, suffice it to say, I avoid AC if there is a reasonable alternative. AC (and others) thinks their flight starts at ‘push back’ and ends with ‘engines off’. Hate to tell you but, my trip starts when I push the button on the garage door closer and ends when I get my feet up at the other end.
However, let me give you a couple of examples:
(CYYZ - KCMH) Why would anyone in their right mind use AC - disinterested CSRs, no idea if flight is early or late, lousy ramp service, etc. - when they could use Chatauqua Airways (AA connector) CSR - Sir, a/c will be on the be about 15 minutes late arriving but with a quick turn-round within about 5 minutes of sked. And, sir, would you like the exit row; damn right, I am 6’5”, and they don’t assign those seats unless they see that you are capable of opening the exit in an emergency. Since the SAAB 340 is walk on, the Ramprats greet you at the ramp door and take your carry-on for Skycheck. (With AC you bloody well schlep it to the back of the -8 yourself.) When you board the a/c its “Good afternoon, sir, it is nice to have you with us again.” Damn right. Good to be back.
(CYYZ - KBOS) Since time my time wasn’t all that pressing. ( We live 100+ kliks ENE of YYZ) We drove south of YYZ ( road abuts airport property) to Buffalo. Nice lunch overlooking Niagara vineyards, cruise through border crossing ( She is US citizen, I am Canadian), no long check-in line at KBUF. We go through security (pre-11 SEP) and watch ShuttleAmerica -8 arrive. I leave and have business meeting in Canada on way home. She arrives at Hanscom KBED - doors open to car <10 mins, try that at Logan KBOS.
She is going to FL next week to pick up mom and bring her back for the hols. Have to fly AC, only direct flight, as mom, at 89, doesn’t do cattle cars. Since time is not a big deal, my wife will stay over the Saturday night ( and keep the airline marketing wizards happy ) and visit other family members.
Most airline executives, and Robert Milton is a perfect example, haven’t had an original idea in years.
TAN, the airlines were on a very slippery slope; even before 11 SEP, it just was a bigger pin going into the bubble. Just like the department stores died trying to be all things to all CUSTOMERS - there is that funny word again CUSTOMER get it - CUSTOMER comes first - we usually shop at upscale stores - never buy ‘branded’ products - but have been known to shop at WalMart and Dollar Stores.
Air Canada was like a snake swallowing Canadian. If management couldn’t see the contraction coming they just had to be dumb or stupid or both. Canada 3000 expanding with that debt load also had to have management that was dumb or stupid or both.
While I feel for the folks on the street, the companies should be allowed to go under. Since there is a demand for air travel, Phoenixes will appear, hopefully with a better model. There is competition for the business travel market; video conference meetings - that technology is improving rapidly - , fractional ownership - who is going to put up with the airport hassle on a regular, weekly, monthly basis?. High - relatively high - speed train; why would I backtrack to YYZ - 90 minute drive - to go through a 2 hour check-in hassle - for a one hour flight to Montreal CYUL - to go through an incredible hassle there when in three-quarters of an hour I can be on a comfortable train - with legroom - and get off in the city centre. If both of us are going for, say, the weekend we drive - not a contest.
To finish my rant: CUSTOMER SERVICE at a reasonable price and then the shareholders can expect to be happy if not (let) someone else will do the job.
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Indeed you are entitled to your own opinion, actually, I personally wouldn't want to have you as a customer.
I've seen and listened to your type at parties and at work and IMHO you want first class service but are only willing to pay steerage class rates. If anything ever goes wrong, and it does, your kind protests the loudest.
I wonder how your customers feel about your customer service...
Indeed you are entitled to your own opinion, actually, I personally wouldn't want to have you as a customer.
I've seen and listened to your type at parties and at work and IMHO you want first class service but are only willing to pay steerage class rates. If anything ever goes wrong, and it does, your kind protests the loudest.
I wonder how your customers feel about your customer service...
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To everyone at CANADA 3000, you have my heartfelt sympathy, You had a great airline,with a great bunch of people.
I had hoped to move over to Toronto next year, and hoped to work with you,
We are all in the poo at the moment,I can just hope that it will get better soon.
It is good to see how we all stick togeather at a time like this.
REGARDS.
I had hoped to move over to Toronto next year, and hoped to work with you,
We are all in the poo at the moment,I can just hope that it will get better soon.
It is good to see how we all stick togeather at a time like this.
REGARDS.
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I think it is absolutely outrageous the way C3 management treated their operating staff,crew and passengers the UK. The local rep. in MAN knew nothing about it and nor did the outbound crew. The inbound Capt. arranged for himself to return on CO (free) and left the balance of his 11 crew to fend for themselves. CO gratiously offered them a ride as well as the stuck OB crew if the C3 management were not going to arrange. Full marks to CO - this is what makes this industry great.Shame on C3 management
I would not wish this situation on my worst enemy (as I have been there before) and my sympathies and good luck to all the good folk at C3.
I would not wish this situation on my worst enemy (as I have been there before) and my sympathies and good luck to all the good folk at C3.
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The high drama of the past few days may not be over yet 
11:46 EST Friday, November 09, 2001
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Ailing carrier Canada 3000 , Canada's second-largest airline, believes it can restart operations, Transport Minister David Collenette said on Friday.
"(A few minutes ago) we were in touch with officials from Canada 3000 who contacted us. They do believe they can still operate, that parties are coming to the table, so this particular situation is just not finished," Collenette told parliament.
Canada 3000 abruptly stopped all flights on Friday, stranding thousands of passengers just hours after obtaining a creditor-protection order in the wake of failed talks with unions over job cuts the airline was demanding.
By KEITH McARTHUR
11:34 EST Friday, November 09, 2001
Air Canada's discount brand Tango is an anti-competitive weapon which led, in part, to Canada 3000's apparent failure, according to the federal Competition Commissioner Konrad von Finckenstein.
Mr. von Finckenstein said the Competition Bureau was poised to issue a cease and desist order against Air Canada's Tango brand this morning, but the move was eclipsed by Canada 3000's announcement late last night that it was halting all operations.
"We determined that Air Canada, by creating Tango and targeting the routes that Canada 3000 was flying on, was undertaking an anti-competitive act," Mr. von Finkenstein told The Globe and Mail today.
Mr. von Finckenstein said that if Canada 3000 is able to get its planes back in the air, the Bureau would be likely to go ahead with the cease and desist order.
"We tried to act as quickly as possible, but we could only do it so fast," he said.
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11:46 EST Friday, November 09, 2001
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Ailing carrier Canada 3000 , Canada's second-largest airline, believes it can restart operations, Transport Minister David Collenette said on Friday.
"(A few minutes ago) we were in touch with officials from Canada 3000 who contacted us. They do believe they can still operate, that parties are coming to the table, so this particular situation is just not finished," Collenette told parliament.
Canada 3000 abruptly stopped all flights on Friday, stranding thousands of passengers just hours after obtaining a creditor-protection order in the wake of failed talks with unions over job cuts the airline was demanding.
By KEITH McARTHUR
11:34 EST Friday, November 09, 2001
Air Canada's discount brand Tango is an anti-competitive weapon which led, in part, to Canada 3000's apparent failure, according to the federal Competition Commissioner Konrad von Finckenstein.
Mr. von Finckenstein said the Competition Bureau was poised to issue a cease and desist order against Air Canada's Tango brand this morning, but the move was eclipsed by Canada 3000's announcement late last night that it was halting all operations.
"We determined that Air Canada, by creating Tango and targeting the routes that Canada 3000 was flying on, was undertaking an anti-competitive act," Mr. von Finkenstein told The Globe and Mail today.
Mr. von Finckenstein said that if Canada 3000 is able to get its planes back in the air, the Bureau would be likely to go ahead with the cease and desist order.
"We tried to act as quickly as possible, but we could only do it so fast," he said.
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