Canada 3000 is Gone
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Arkroyal,
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I flew with Canada 300 LGW-YYZ last year ( stoping over in Halifax both ways.)Only problem was the 2 hour delay in clearing immigaration and customs due to having three flights land at the same time and only 5 immigration officers. Upon reboarding the Captain said " all we can do is apologise for the disgusting length of time it too you to clear customs today" and handed out comment cards.( I actually received a letter of apologies from Halifax airport)
A good flight for the price paid.Sorry to see them
Best wishes to everyone affected by this terrible news.
CO ( Continental?)
I flew with Canada 300 LGW-YYZ last year ( stoping over in Halifax both ways.)Only problem was the 2 hour delay in clearing immigaration and customs due to having three flights land at the same time and only 5 immigration officers. Upon reboarding the Captain said " all we can do is apologise for the disgusting length of time it too you to clear customs today" and handed out comment cards.( I actually received a letter of apologies from Halifax airport)
A good flight for the price paid.Sorry to see them
Best wishes to everyone affected by this terrible news.
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They are busy re-organizing the company now. A few hours before announcing cessation of operations last night they were telling everyone it was business as usual and were encouraging bookings. Many pax flew out to somewhere during the course of Thursday.
Then a terse announcement - all shut down - customers are advised to now fend for themselves. Hundreds, nay, thousands of people and crew stranded across Canada and as far away as Australia, the UK, Caribbean.
So they spend a month reorganizing and start operating in a downsized (hate that word) form. After what management has just done to thousands of customers, do they really expect to be able to attract any future business? Damn poor show.
Then a terse announcement - all shut down - customers are advised to now fend for themselves. Hundreds, nay, thousands of people and crew stranded across Canada and as far away as Australia, the UK, Caribbean.
So they spend a month reorganizing and start operating in a downsized (hate that word) form. After what management has just done to thousands of customers, do they really expect to be able to attract any future business? Damn poor show.
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...and 411A says?
So 411, here you have everything that you have been proselytizing about in your 1400+ posts:
Low (really low) salaries
Fuel-efficient aircraft (B757, A320/319, A330-200/A340)
Motivated staff
Good in-flight service
Good management (they are very good)
Cheap fares
Safe operation (no accidents)
Yet they still cease operations. So, oh guru of the skies, bless us with your synopsis. I can't wait.
So 411, here you have everything that you have been proselytizing about in your 1400+ posts:
Low (really low) salaries
Fuel-efficient aircraft (B757, A320/319, A330-200/A340)
Motivated staff
Good in-flight service
Good management (they are very good)
Cheap fares
Safe operation (no accidents)
Yet they still cease operations. So, oh guru of the skies, bless us with your synopsis. I can't wait.
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Yes, there is a A330 inpounded at MAN as well as another aircraft (think A330) at LGW 
These actions were taken only after the "cease operations" announcement from C3
[ 10 November 2001: Message edited by: Ex NAV ]
These actions were taken only after the "cease operations" announcement from C3
[ 10 November 2001: Message edited by: Ex NAV ]
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That's what I would have expected, but CMM press releases are saying they ceased operations because (unnamed) airports had seized assets. Like someone else said, there's a funny smell around.
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To you all at Canada 3000 I give you my sympathies and I know how you feel.
It's a cruel world out there but our industry are all feeling for each other.
Best of luck to you all.
It's a cruel world out there but our industry are all feeling for each other.
Best of luck to you all.
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The aircraft at MAN, 'WB' had just arrived apparently when the shutdown was ordered yesterday morning. I bumped into the lovely Amanda,the CMM rep at MAN, at 0615 and she gave no inkling at all that things were this bad. Last night 'WB' was jammed in by the PIA 737 in Cockroach Corner.
Good luck to all the CMM staff, hope things work out for you guys.
Good luck to all the CMM staff, hope things work out for you guys.
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Ladies and Gentlemen
The demise of Canada 3000 has been months in the making. Right before our eyes, in fact.
As unfortunate as Canada 3000s demise may seem...
here is a company that went into 'overdrive' with impatience and the roof fell in.
Simply, the destiny of its' mediocre management.
It must be remembered that Canada 3000 Management were rushing around trying to execute no less than four business plans at the same time. Paying wages, leases, etc. to a workforce far beyond what was required. No matter how you slice it, a very costly move, even in the soundest of economies.
The merger with Royal into one, should have satisfied managements'lust to become number two in The Great White North. Unfortunately, this was not the case and now a number of quality people, talented people, dedicated people, are without work.
Been there. Done that.
No. I suggest the laurels are unwaranted here, for it was the staff, moreso than management, that made this company what it was.
...and there, but for the Grace of God, go you and I.
Good Luck and Best Wishes to all at Canada 3000. There will be a tomorrow.
[ 10 November 2001: Message edited by: Willie Everlearn ]
The demise of Canada 3000 has been months in the making. Right before our eyes, in fact.
As unfortunate as Canada 3000s demise may seem...
here is a company that went into 'overdrive' with impatience and the roof fell in.
Simply, the destiny of its' mediocre management.
It must be remembered that Canada 3000 Management were rushing around trying to execute no less than four business plans at the same time. Paying wages, leases, etc. to a workforce far beyond what was required. No matter how you slice it, a very costly move, even in the soundest of economies.
The merger with Royal into one, should have satisfied managements'lust to become number two in The Great White North. Unfortunately, this was not the case and now a number of quality people, talented people, dedicated people, are without work.
Been there. Done that.
No. I suggest the laurels are unwaranted here, for it was the staff, moreso than management, that made this company what it was.
...and there, but for the Grace of God, go you and I.
Good Luck and Best Wishes to all at Canada 3000. There will be a tomorrow.
[ 10 November 2001: Message edited by: Willie Everlearn ]
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Hi Willie
I disagree with your comment about "mediocre management" at C3. On the other hand, your profile says that your interest is "Tormenting serious individuals" so you probably didn't mean that, did you?
JL, AJK, DK, IR and the lads are good people with a viable dream that was snatched away by archaic protectionist policies for a money-losing dinosaur of a "National Carrier". If AC had been made accountable for it's squandered BILLIONS, I really do wander who would be around today.
The airline industry in Canada is a disgrace. One rule for AC, another variable playing field for the rest.
To paraphrase the chairman of VS... "Who will I fly with in Canada? Anyone who isn't AC."
I disagree with your comment about "mediocre management" at C3. On the other hand, your profile says that your interest is "Tormenting serious individuals" so you probably didn't mean that, did you?
JL, AJK, DK, IR and the lads are good people with a viable dream that was snatched away by archaic protectionist policies for a money-losing dinosaur of a "National Carrier". If AC had been made accountable for it's squandered BILLIONS, I really do wander who would be around today.
The airline industry in Canada is a disgrace. One rule for AC, another variable playing field for the rest.
To paraphrase the chairman of VS... "Who will I fly with in Canada? Anyone who isn't AC."
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I guess it all depends on where you are seated at the round table on how you view the aviation situation in Canada if not the world....
Aviation is a mess in Canada partly because of government interference but that is only part of the problem. We don't have the population base to support two airlines, period. Niche players yes, major airlines no.
We are definitely a nation of complainers who want the government to look after us from cradle to grave, but we don't want to pay the price tag associated with that type of society.
Only in Canada you say, Pity....
I guess it all depends on where you are seated at the round table on how you view the aviation situation in Canada if not the world....
Aviation is a mess in Canada partly because of government interference but that is only part of the problem. We don't have the population base to support two airlines, period. Niche players yes, major airlines no.
We are definitely a nation of complainers who want the government to look after us from cradle to grave, but we don't want to pay the price tag associated with that type of society.
Only in Canada you say, Pity....
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At times like this we all look for small favours, so those at C3 should feel relieved that they were spared Kubota's usual business advice:
Prior to every rostered duty, each pilot must pretend to have a tummy ache, thus guaranteeing future prosperity for all....or something like that. It's even more nebulous if you follow his postings on Fragrant Harbour.
Prior to every rostered duty, each pilot must pretend to have a tummy ache, thus guaranteeing future prosperity for all....or something like that. It's even more nebulous if you follow his postings on Fragrant Harbour.
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Kubota
You're correct in understanding that I like to wind 'em up.
In all honesty I reckoned C3 management understood their lot in life. AK seemed to understand quite clearly as well there simply isn't the population base in Canada to sustain two large airlines. Or is this a recent revelation in light of what we went through with Canadian in recent times???
I think not.
By aggressively consuming Royal and CanJet, IMHO, the brain bubble burst in the board room of CT.
So, CT management clearly dropped the ball on this one even before Sept. 11th.
The end product of that airline rested squarely with the counter and cabin staff NOT management.
Hey.
It's only my perspective.
You're correct in understanding that I like to wind 'em up.
In all honesty I reckoned C3 management understood their lot in life. AK seemed to understand quite clearly as well there simply isn't the population base in Canada to sustain two large airlines. Or is this a recent revelation in light of what we went through with Canadian in recent times???
I think not.
By aggressively consuming Royal and CanJet, IMHO, the brain bubble burst in the board room of CT.
So, CT management clearly dropped the ball on this one even before Sept. 11th.
The end product of that airline rested squarely with the counter and cabin staff NOT management.
Hey.
It's only my perspective.
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TORONTO - After days of struggling to find a
way to get its planes back in the air, Canada's second-largest airline rolled to a dead stop Sunday as it was placed in bankruptcy.
Canada 3000 issued a news release late in the
day confirming that its board of directors, president and other corporate officers had
resigned – a common move before bankruptcy because it reduces the liability of individual executives.
An Ontario Superior Court judge has appointed Deloitte & Touche Inc. as "Trustee in bankruptcy" to supervise sale of the airline's assets.
way to get its planes back in the air, Canada's second-largest airline rolled to a dead stop Sunday as it was placed in bankruptcy.
Canada 3000 issued a news release late in the
day confirming that its board of directors, president and other corporate officers had
resigned – a common move before bankruptcy because it reduces the liability of individual executives.
An Ontario Superior Court judge has appointed Deloitte & Touche Inc. as "Trustee in bankruptcy" to supervise sale of the airline's assets.