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Ryanair incident Ciampino.

Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:09
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Without executing me for asking, can someone suggest a possible reason to decide a go-around after birdstrike and engine warning ?

Was the go-around actually executed, or the following events actually commanded to just press-on with landing ?

kingair9:

To me the picture seems consistent with the reported one-side tire failure due to hard landing.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:11
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What a scary prospect if this was indeed what happened,
you press the TOGA and then u get FIRE WARNING Bells....

Great job by the entire crew for getting everybody on the ground safe

You probably find it hard to find another situation recently that the crew decided to abort a missed approach...The decision to abort the GO Around this morning may have in fact saved many lives.

Granted you may get enough thrust off one engine thats surging to continue with the missed approach, but TWO surging engines, can anyone shed some light if the 800 is able to perform adequately in this situation...The commanders decision this morning has saved any lives in my opinion.

if this a/c was climbing with a positive rate before the second surge, raising the gear could have proved catastrophic.

Well Done All
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:33
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There was some close-up pictures of this on the BBC news and you can clearly see blood splurts on the radome. So one thing for sure is that it suffered some sort of a bird strike.

Well done to the crew for safe evacuation and handling of this incident.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:38
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as mentioned before: aircraft was on short finals.
hit many birds.
commander decided to go-around ...


can anyone explain why the captain has decided to go around after a bird strike on short final? Im only a hobby-flyer, but if something goes wrong on short final Im glad if I can touch the ground as soon as possible...
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:41
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looks like the left maingear punched through the wing...
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:55
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Yes, must've been a fairly heavy thump! It certainly looks
as if the maingear has pushed up through the wing.
Lucky all survived O.K.
Rome area is terrible for LOTS of birds at this time of year.
On the main migration route down to warmer climes.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:56
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Nice picture, you clearly see multiple birdstrikes and the result of an incredibly hard landing.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:58
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check out the blood and guts on the nosecone, engine cowling and inboard wing slats
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 10:58
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To all crewmembers aboard the flight... a job well done
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:02
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2 crew & 3 Pax > minor injuries
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:04
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can anyone explain why the captain has decided to go around after a bird strike on short final?
No we can't, as none of us were in the flightdeck at the time. The Captain's decision is final and was most likely based upon specific circumstances at the time. He/she may well have seen a further flock of birds below him for example.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:05
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look at the rudder on the big picture.....is there damage there or picture distortion?
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:08
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Yeah the tail fin looks like it has a massive gash running top to bottom. But i think it must be reflection of airfield surroundings.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:10
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clearly a reflection

100% reflection
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:16
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Thumbs up

The rudder appears to be hard over right. If (and I am postulating from the picture alone so I caveat this statement heavily) the left engine pod had been in contact with the ground on the roll out it would produce a left yaw, hence the pilots 'could' have been counteracting this with opposite rudder.

Only a suggestion...

Anyway and much more importantly a very big congratulations to the crew for getting everyone off safe and alive. Aeroplanes can be replaced, people can't therefore you did the right thing!

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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:24
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Angry Birds

Hey guys ,

I had a Birdstrike in Ciampino ,they should do something against that Problem !! There are thousands of them and there is a big Three just next to the Terminal with 100 of those birds ! As i said i had one and i was suck there for hours !
And a couple times we almost had one !I dont know why they cant manage to do something against that !

Regards,

PS all respect to Ryanair Pilots and cabin crews !
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:28
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Would that airframe be written off or would it be possible to be repair it?
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:30
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can anyone explain why the captain has decided to go around after a bird strike on short final? Im only a hobby-flyer, but if something goes wrong on short final Im glad if I can touch the ground as soon as possible...
Many variables, but on a complex twin jet its basically what you are trained to do.
If you have a (single) engine malfunction/failure (and depending on height/distance to RWY /weather etc) it is generally considered safer to Go Around and sort the problem out at a safe height and speed (probably in the Hold), do the correct engine drills, get the Emegency Services T'eed up, do your Performance Calculations, Brief the Cabin Crew and passengers - and then go in for a text book touchdown. No drama.

However, the real world doesn't always work that way, as was seen with BA038, and now this incident.

If they had no other choice the crew did a great job to pull this off without a catastrophe.

Well done lads.
 
Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:32
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look at the rudder on the big picture.....is there damage there or picture distortion?
Rudder looks fine (position is irrelevant now as there is no pressure in the hydraulics) - it is the gaping hole in the wing where the gear has penetrated the upper surface that is more destructive as a result of a very hard landing - possibly a write-off and Ryanair's first hull loss.

Nil casualties is the important thing.
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 11:36
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A few more media reports / pictures...

Bird strike forces Ryanair jet into emergency landing in Italy | Business | guardian.co.uk

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Emergency landing after bird hits

Ryanair said the airport, which hosts several budget airlines, would be closed until sometime Monday afternoon.
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