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No........The 'Trial' will be cost neutral for the two participating airports and the guinea pigs....
It's amazing how some people can only see the monetary cost of the ID and miss everything else...
It's amazing how some people can only see the monetary cost of the ID and miss everything else...
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With every day that passes I loathe this government more and more. Lies about Iraq, lies about the EU treaty, lies about tax, lies about VAT and amongst other things lies now about this ID card. It's nothing more than a new roll of red tape to keep people in cosy public sector jobs and a whole new set of 'crimes' to unwittingly commit when you forget to tell them you've moved house etc. And still feckwits vote for this lot. I really seriously am considering wishing this fair land au revoir.....
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[QUOTE]No........The 'Trial' will be cost neutral for the two participating airports and the guinea pigs....
It's amazing how some people can only see the monetary cost of the ID and miss everything else.../QUOTE]
I am not sure what I have missed as I think my previous posts show in quite succinct language my opposition to the ID card, based on my suspicion of this government not because of any financial concern.
I was asking the question because I was told by a colleague of mine who works at MAN that he believed he was not going to have to 'buy' his identity and it would be provided for him at no cost. I was asking the question because if that was true it raises concerns that the trial is being manipulated to ease its introduction.
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It's amazing how some people can only see the monetary cost of the ID and miss everything else.../QUOTE]
I am not sure what I have missed as I think my previous posts show in quite succinct language my opposition to the ID card, based on my suspicion of this government not because of any financial concern.
I was asking the question because I was told by a colleague of mine who works at MAN that he believed he was not going to have to 'buy' his identity and it would be provided for him at no cost. I was asking the question because if that was true it raises concerns that the trial is being manipulated to ease its introduction.
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Sorry, re-read my post...It was badly put and not directly aimed at you.
Sorry once again.
I actually find that the question I get asked most initially is how much will it cost. Well financially not much. In terms of loss of civil liberties a vast fortune.....
Sorry, re-read my post...It was badly put and not directly aimed at you.
Sorry once again.
I actually find that the question I get asked most initially is how much will it cost. Well financially not much. In terms of loss of civil liberties a vast fortune.....
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- With every day that passes I loathe this government more and more. Lies about Iraq, lies about the EU treaty, lies about tax, lies about VAT and amongst other things lies now about this ID card. It's nothing more than a new roll of red tape to keep people in cosy public sector jobs and a whole new set of 'crimes' to unwittingly commit when you forget to tell them you've moved house etc. And still feckwits vote for this lot. I really seriously am considering wishing this fair land au revoir.....
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For what it's worth there is an opportunity to comment on the secondary legislation proposed under the ID Cards Act 2006. http://www.ips.gov.uk/identity/downl...egislation.pdf
This is some of what the Home Office consultation document states:
This is a public consultation and anyone who wishes to do so may
comment. However, those organisations that commented on the National
Identity Scheme Delivery Plan 2008 and any organisations that may be
involved in the early roll out of ID cards at airports are in particular invited to comment.
comment. However, those organisations that commented on the National
Identity Scheme Delivery Plan 2008 and any organisations that may be
involved in the early roll out of ID cards at airports are in particular invited to comment.
This is a 12 week consultation starting on Friday 21st November 2008 and
closing on Friday 13th February 2009.
Any comments should be sent to:
Robin Woodland
Identity Cards Act Secondary Legislation Consultation
Home Office
Identity and Passport Service
Allington Towers
19 Allington Street
London SW1E 5EB
Robin Woodland
Identity Cards Act Secondary Legislation Consultation
Home Office
Identity and Passport Service
Allington Towers
19 Allington Street
London SW1E 5EB
Comments may also be sent by email to: [email protected].
If commenting by email please include the words “consultation response”
in the subject title.If commenting by email please include the words “consultation response”
There are 97 pages to trawl through but pages 29 & 30, sections 5.1 to 5.14 are specific to us in aviation. You should take particular note of the section 'Designation Of Documents' it states:
If an airside worker in the category specified refused to apply for an ID
card then they should not be issued with the criminal conviction
certificate necessary to obtain an airside pass.
card then they should not be issued with the criminal conviction
certificate necessary to obtain an airside pass.
5.14 We welcome comments on the
proposal to provide for the roll out of
identity cards to different groups through
commencement orders and on the draft
designation order that would link the issue
of identity cards to the issue of criminal
conviction certificates for airside workers.identity cards to different groups through
commencement orders and on the draft
designation order that would link the issue
of identity cards to the issue of criminal
Please feel free to send them your comments, but do you really think it will make any difference?
So am I understanding this correctly?
They want to stop UK nationals from working airside by refusing release of a Criminal Record Check if they object to an ID card, but it will be business as usual for foreign workers who of course do not need criminal record checks to work airside regardless of whether they are obliged to have an ID card. So they do not know how many foreign criminals work airside now, and even with ID cards, they still will not know how many foreign criminals work airside. Meanwhile, those UK workers who are able to prove that they do not have a criminal record will be prevented from doing so. So if enough people with CRC's passed object to the ID cards, we would potentially have more criminals woking airside than we do at the moment..
They want to stop UK nationals from working airside by refusing release of a Criminal Record Check if they object to an ID card, but it will be business as usual for foreign workers who of course do not need criminal record checks to work airside regardless of whether they are obliged to have an ID card. So they do not know how many foreign criminals work airside now, and even with ID cards, they still will not know how many foreign criminals work airside. Meanwhile, those UK workers who are able to prove that they do not have a criminal record will be prevented from doing so. So if enough people with CRC's passed object to the ID cards, we would potentially have more criminals woking airside than we do at the moment..
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Id Cards - A Waste Of Time
So The Government Tells Us Id Cards Will Help Security.
German Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop Bader Meinhof Gang In The Seventies.
Spanish Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop The Madrid Bombings.
This Is Nothing But A Scandalous Waste Of Money To Keep Government Employees In A Job.
German Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop Bader Meinhof Gang In The Seventies.
Spanish Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop The Madrid Bombings.
This Is Nothing But A Scandalous Waste Of Money To Keep Government Employees In A Job.
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With this 'government's' record on IT projects, I wouldn't be at all surprised if a million fictitious Labour voters suddenly materialise when the ID card becomes a mandatory prerequisite to voting.
That is should we ever be allowed again to elect a leader of this country.
Welcome to the Soviet Union reborn.
That is should we ever be allowed again to elect a leader of this country.
Welcome to the Soviet Union reborn.
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So The Government Tells Us Id Cards Will Help Security.
German Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop Bader Meinhof Gang In The Seventies.
Spanish Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop The Madrid Bombings.
This Is Nothing But A Scandalous Waste Of Money To Keep Government Employees In A Job.
German Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop Bader Meinhof Gang In The Seventies.
Spanish Nationals Have Id Cards - Didn't Stop The Madrid Bombings.
This Is Nothing But A Scandalous Waste Of Money To Keep Government Employees In A Job.
Do we really believe that no-one will be clever enough to clone one of these ID cards and be able to put corresponding info on the database. I think not.
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We didn't actually 'vote' for Gordon 'Mugabe' at the moment......he 'assumed' the job after edging the previous incumbent out over a period of 10 years and threatening any opposition. He then bottled out when it came to an election if you remember?
Still he will be a short serving unelected Prime Minister when he is finally given his rightful marching orders. Unless as you say the oppression we are suffering from increases and they invoke the 'special powers' they have given themselves under various Acts of Parliament and Orders in Council the past few years; then decide the current situation makes an election impossible and defers it at the time etc....(as seen in other dictatorships).....
We didn't actually 'vote' for Gordon 'Mugabe' at the moment......he 'assumed' the job after edging the previous incumbent out over a period of 10 years and threatening any opposition. He then bottled out when it came to an election if you remember?
Still he will be a short serving unelected Prime Minister when he is finally given his rightful marching orders. Unless as you say the oppression we are suffering from increases and they invoke the 'special powers' they have given themselves under various Acts of Parliament and Orders in Council the past few years; then decide the current situation makes an election impossible and defers it at the time etc....(as seen in other dictatorships).....
Just a numbered other
We didn't vote for his predecessor 'Teflon Tone' either.
A system which delivers a landslide to someone who gets 25% of the votes possible has no mandate,IMHO.
It is quite clear that these thugs are determined to roll this out to the general public,who'll be led to believe that we airside workers were willing volunteers. They'll forget to mention that we had Hobson's choice. No ID, sorry, you can't get an airside pass, therefore kiss your job goodbye.
How has this country come to this.
A system which delivers a landslide to someone who gets 25% of the votes possible has no mandate,IMHO.
It is quite clear that these thugs are determined to roll this out to the general public,who'll be led to believe that we airside workers were willing volunteers. They'll forget to mention that we had Hobson's choice. No ID, sorry, you can't get an airside pass, therefore kiss your job goodbye.
How has this country come to this.
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The oppression increases...ID cards fiasco (managed by Home Office).....and this week.....Police (run by Home Office) to buy 10,000 Tasers, (that should cattle prod a good number of the population when they are performing their legal right to protest)......MP arrested for doing his job.......(by Police acting on Home Office instructions). To think this isn't even in Zimbabwe.....Of course all denied by the idiots in charge!!!! You couldn't even write it as fiction could you.....
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Ironic though it is, the failing economy could be a blessing in disguise for the country. When the reality of job losses, repossessions etc start being felt next year it could be what gets the current 'goverment' out of office. As they say, opposition parties don't win elections-goverments lose them. It's then remotely possible that change will take place.
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Quote from lackey Jackies department this moring on BBC R4 (Today), 'no one will be forced to hold an ID card'...........der....what about all those at MAN / LCY?
Good to see division in the top ranks lately!!!
Good to see division in the top ranks lately!!!