Ryanair Taxi incident Carcassonne
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At last something sensible being said!! I have to agree with all that you have written 100%. When Ryanair carry 50+million pax a year you are always going to get a cohort who know nothing but trying desperatly to give the impression they know a great deal.....not exactly professional is it! As for SLF they will complain and winge at almost anything....where do they get the time from....perhaps Ryanair got them on stand early so they can log on and winge away!!!
At last something sensible being said!! I have to agree with all that you have written 100%. When Ryanair carry 50+million pax a year you are always going to get a cohort who know nothing but trying desperatly to give the impression they know a great deal.....not exactly professional is it! As for SLF they will complain and winge at almost anything....where do they get the time from....perhaps Ryanair got them on stand early so they can log on and winge away!!!
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Anybody else on here noticed the poor standard of English spoken on the RT down in STN by some FR pilots, flew in there in other day and some poor controller on climb out had to repeat the clearance to some foreign FR guy about 4 times, and still kept getting it wrong, by the time I could get a word in we were halfway to destination, sounds funny listening to but must piss ATC off as it seemed a busy sector, sounds hardwork on the ground freq too when boris is reading back his clearance taking half the afternoon, maybe they need ACARS for this..
So icehouses those pilots whose first language isn't english aren't allowed into UK airspace just so you can get a call in? How many languages do you speak proficiently?
He may have an accent or perhaps he was having a bad day? You never know now do you? I forgot some of us are sky gods and can pontificate on how RYR has no safety culture and that we have the worst RT calls out there.
Dream on. Perhaps if some of you sad gits looked after your own nest first then things would improve. But hey its just easier to make fun of hard working guys
He may have an accent or perhaps he was having a bad day? You never know now do you? I forgot some of us are sky gods and can pontificate on how RYR has no safety culture and that we have the worst RT calls out there.
Dream on. Perhaps if some of you sad gits looked after your own nest first then things would improve. But hey its just easier to make fun of hard working guys
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Half way to your destination ICEHOUSES? was Luton was your destination??? Another airline basher
... just what we need
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Listen up on the RT and you’ll find that there are other UK carriers whose crews are not from this part of the world... all deemed competent airmen by their respective company check airmen
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... just what we need.Listen up on the RT and you’ll find that there are other UK carriers whose crews are not from this part of the world... all deemed competent airmen by their respective company check airmen
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You are a total ****.
Not only have I had good flights on RYR, with professionalism and courtesy.
But our company uses RYR to position crews and we are satisfied with the safety and punctuality.
I also have personal knowledge of the training standards within RYR and would stand their training up against any other UK operator, rating them in the top 10%.
Their training captains are some of the most experienced 737 pilots that I have met, and they dont pass students because they have paid for a course.
As a trainer with over 6000 hours on the 737, I know what I am talking about.
RYR operate into smaller airports and some of those have only come into the jet age because RYR operate there, the airports have problems with their training and personnel retention.
Whilst you cannot rely on the marshaller (Thomas Cook 757-300 LYS) the responsibility rests with the captain, if he is unsure he can stop and call for a wing tip clearance check, might take 5 mins to arrange but better than damage to the aircraft.
Clipping a pier happened to me once when following the yellow brick road at CDG, I was F/O the pier was on my side, it was not parked correctly and as I called stop we rocked into the pier breaking a nav light.
As to other posters here who only exist to knock RYR, you can have your own forum and not waste band width for those who actually have something constructive to say.
Every airline has incidents just check the FDM statistics for the facts.
RYR are bashed for any event in which their name is mentioned, others are omitted because their operation is considered by some as safer.
There is no such thing as a pilot who does not make mistakes.
But there are two types of pilot, those who have and those who will.
You are a total ****.
Not only have I had good flights on RYR, with professionalism and courtesy.
But our company uses RYR to position crews and we are satisfied with the safety and punctuality.
I also have personal knowledge of the training standards within RYR and would stand their training up against any other UK operator, rating them in the top 10%.
Their training captains are some of the most experienced 737 pilots that I have met, and they dont pass students because they have paid for a course.
As a trainer with over 6000 hours on the 737, I know what I am talking about.
RYR operate into smaller airports and some of those have only come into the jet age because RYR operate there, the airports have problems with their training and personnel retention.
Whilst you cannot rely on the marshaller (Thomas Cook 757-300 LYS) the responsibility rests with the captain, if he is unsure he can stop and call for a wing tip clearance check, might take 5 mins to arrange but better than damage to the aircraft.
Clipping a pier happened to me once when following the yellow brick road at CDG, I was F/O the pier was on my side, it was not parked correctly and as I called stop we rocked into the pier breaking a nav light.
As to other posters here who only exist to knock RYR, you can have your own forum and not waste band width for those who actually have something constructive to say.
Every airline has incidents just check the FDM statistics for the facts.
RYR are bashed for any event in which their name is mentioned, others are omitted because their operation is considered by some as safer.
There is no such thing as a pilot who does not make mistakes.
But there are two types of pilot, those who have and those who will.
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Day Dreamer,
Thank you for your post. I would first like to say that I have never said anything derogatory about Ryanair crew or it's trainers. I have many friends in FR who are Pilots and some of them Training Cpts. My Gripe is with the intimidation culture and working environment that these guys have to put up with and it's nock on effect with the rest of the European aviation environment. I am sure you are fully aware of what I am talking about and the first hand stories I have been told are shocking truly shocking. FR crew are under on time performance pressure to the extent it compromises safety. That is my opinion. In my company I have never ever heard of anyone being threatened or intimidated my management, or being yanked out the seat and told don't come in tomorrow and you know that this has happened in FR! Maybe it's because we are a UK airline and have BALPA something you guys are craving but don't have the balls to muster.......
Thank you for your post. I would first like to say that I have never said anything derogatory about Ryanair crew or it's trainers. I have many friends in FR who are Pilots and some of them Training Cpts. My Gripe is with the intimidation culture and working environment that these guys have to put up with and it's nock on effect with the rest of the European aviation environment. I am sure you are fully aware of what I am talking about and the first hand stories I have been told are shocking truly shocking. FR crew are under on time performance pressure to the extent it compromises safety. That is my opinion. In my company I have never ever heard of anyone being threatened or intimidated my management, or being yanked out the seat and told don't come in tomorrow and you know that this has happened in FR! Maybe it's because we are a UK airline and have BALPA something you guys are craving but don't have the balls to muster.......
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“The guys don't take the time to brief they pay lip service to some longwinded script about emergencys and setting thrust just so the CVR can point the blame at them if it all goes wrong. The guys dont have the time and CULTURE…..”
“Maybe it's because we are a UK airline and have BALPA something you guys are craving but don't have the balls to muster.......”
“I have never said anything derogatory about Ryanair crew……”
You clearly don’t read what you write, how very wise!
“The guys don't take the time to brief they pay lip service to some longwinded script about emergencys and setting thrust just so the CVR can point the blame at them if it all goes wrong. The guys dont have the time and CULTURE…..”
“Maybe it's because we are a UK airline and have BALPA something you guys are craving but don't have the balls to muster.......”
“I have never said anything derogatory about Ryanair crew……”
You clearly don’t read what you write, how very wise!
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Post 47 (Multinational doesnt use Ryanair because.....)
Sorry, doesn't wash.
Othe rmultinationals don't use BA because their executives are fed up of having to explain that they were late because the flight was cancelled, their bag went to Milan, the aircraft landed short of the runway, the cabin crew were on strike, it was just another day at Heathrow etc....
Sorry, doesn't wash.
Othe rmultinationals don't use BA because their executives are fed up of having to explain that they were late because the flight was cancelled, their bag went to Milan, the aircraft landed short of the runway, the cabin crew were on strike, it was just another day at Heathrow etc....
Serious incidents such as the CIA one , or the TOM at Bournemouth, are bound to be brought up for discussion on PPrune and promptly dissected, but the furore over incidents like this are getting a little riduculous. Considering the size of RYR I doubt they have any more ground incidents like this than any other airline. Also its worth considering that their route structure takes them into many more smaller airfields with substandard marshalling & markings.
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their route structure takes them into many more smaller airfields with substandard marshalling & markings
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czechvoyager
I'd agree here with some opinions. Professional pilots rumour network yet alot of comments here are pax who are not in the know. Would believe some of this site should be restricted to those professional pilots amongst us.
Czechvoyager... the brakes have to be applied firmly on landing in BHD its tight for B738's and they are restricted aswell.
Just getting a tad sick of those making statements when they are sitting from row 12.
Regards
Czechvoyager... the brakes have to be applied firmly on landing in BHD its tight for B738's and they are restricted aswell.
Just getting a tad sick of those making statements when they are sitting from row 12.
Regards
ASFKAP,
That comment was with regard to their overall risk, and not to the reason for this incident, although some posters suggest that the marshalling leaves a lot to be desired in Carcassone.
That comment was with regard to their overall risk, and not to the reason for this incident, although some posters suggest that the marshalling leaves a lot to be desired in Carcassone.
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The landing I referred to was at STN arriving from BHD. I know about the short runnway situation at the George Best Belfast City, they're waiting for planning permission to lengthen it, and then extend the FR coverage to mainland Europe. Point taken about us lay people on PPRUNE, I would feel the same way if it were I taxi drivers forum!
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Right Way Up, why the hell are you still banging on about questionable marshalling at Carcassonne?
What's that got to do with the price of eggs on this one?
Early in this thread someone provided a nice picture and suggested that this incident occurred after there had been a threat of a double bay parking charge and the Ryanair elected to leave before they incurred it. I am beginning to believe it might not be far from the truth
Either way, I don't think anyone has said there was any marshaller involved and from my memory of the apron when I was their last summer I can't imagine why there would be one on departure.
Even at London City for crying out loud, all and sundry usually manage to depart without help from any marshaller.
And at one small Ryanair destination I use regularly, where the Apron is a similar size to CCF, the chocksman NEVER marshalls on to the stand let alone off it, even though being a highly competent type of operative he plainly could if it was a service Ryanair purchased from his employer.
Does Ryanair even purchase a marshalling service at Carcassonne?
What's that got to do with the price of eggs on this one?
Early in this thread someone provided a nice picture and suggested that this incident occurred after there had been a threat of a double bay parking charge and the Ryanair elected to leave before they incurred it. I am beginning to believe it might not be far from the truth
Either way, I don't think anyone has said there was any marshaller involved and from my memory of the apron when I was their last summer I can't imagine why there would be one on departure.
Even at London City for crying out loud, all and sundry usually manage to depart without help from any marshaller.
And at one small Ryanair destination I use regularly, where the Apron is a similar size to CCF, the chocksman NEVER marshalls on to the stand let alone off it, even though being a highly competent type of operative he plainly could if it was a service Ryanair purchased from his employer.
Does Ryanair even purchase a marshalling service at Carcassonne?
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Marshaling is a service normally provided by the airport authority, not the handling agent, hence the provision of the service is a function of the payment of the landing / runway occupancy fee.