Indonesia's Adam Air once again.. "Passenger jet skids off runway"
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Indonesia's Adam Air once again.. "Passenger jet skids off runway"
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...0-1702,00.html
no pics yet sorry.
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Aircraft hit was PK-KKT... 734 (leased from CIT)
According to "witnesses", Weather was after a rainshower, wet runway, steady slight crosswind, no gusts or windshear reported by previous 3 aircraft (a Merpati, Batavia Air and Indonesia Air Asia 737s).
Aircraft reported to have tried to land 2x and went around...
On 3rd attempt, aircraft bounced 3x, afterwhich right main landing gear collapsed causing aircraft to exit the runway. Landing gear jammed below the inboard right handside flaps causing damage to it.
On the same day it was also reported that Adam Air is to cease operations soon. 14 pilots have applied en masse to another airline, the accounting has been "zeroed" / "whitewashed", and that 7 aircraft are grounded because lease non-payments.
This compounds allegations over the past few months that Adam Air has been facing grave difficulties in staying alive, with crew exodus continuing and return to the "old (lack of) safety culture.
Part Owner Bhakti Investama has said they will start up a new airline too, leaving the future of Adam Air in doubt.
As to the slides... Well, I assume they've been removed... but then if they never had it onboard, I wouldn't be surprised somehow...
According to "witnesses", Weather was after a rainshower, wet runway, steady slight crosswind, no gusts or windshear reported by previous 3 aircraft (a Merpati, Batavia Air and Indonesia Air Asia 737s).
Aircraft reported to have tried to land 2x and went around...
On 3rd attempt, aircraft bounced 3x, afterwhich right main landing gear collapsed causing aircraft to exit the runway. Landing gear jammed below the inboard right handside flaps causing damage to it.
On the same day it was also reported that Adam Air is to cease operations soon. 14 pilots have applied en masse to another airline, the accounting has been "zeroed" / "whitewashed", and that 7 aircraft are grounded because lease non-payments.
This compounds allegations over the past few months that Adam Air has been facing grave difficulties in staying alive, with crew exodus continuing and return to the "old (lack of) safety culture.
Part Owner Bhakti Investama has said they will start up a new airline too, leaving the future of Adam Air in doubt.
As to the slides... Well, I assume they've been removed... but then if they never had it onboard, I wouldn't be surprised somehow...
… a rainshower, wet runway, steady slight crosswind.
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perhaps its my weary eyes or is the L1 door disarmed?
can see what appears to be the girt bar nesting in the door bustle and the window flag in its horizontal (disarmed) position.
can see what appears to be the girt bar nesting in the door bustle and the window flag in its horizontal (disarmed) position.
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Why would you punch the slides? It's only a gear collapse. I would call for a nice set of stairs.
You don't by any chance work for Adam Air, do you?
Seriously, what's it gonna take to shut these guys down. 4 accidents in the period of about 1 year. I can't beleive that they still find customers. It goes to show you that the majority of people are stupid and ignorant.
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Has it come to rest with the nosewheel in the air? Looking at the top Flightglobal pic, there appears to be air under the gear.
I wonder if the chap with the pot of white paint has been there yet? He was pretty quick off the mark with the 737 banana.
I wonder if the chap with the pot of white paint has been there yet? He was pretty quick off the mark with the 737 banana.
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Work for Adam Air? Heaven forbid.
But no I don't subscribe to the theory that a gear collapse nor an aircraft leaving the runway necessarily calls for an immediate evacuation, nor does the training department of my airline.
Evidence or likelihood of fire/smoke: sure. But otherwise, you will likely cause more injuries evacuating passengers down slides. Particularly if the aircraft is not at normal "on-ground" body angle - some slides may be too steep to be used as designed and some slides too shallow. Furthermore, many passengers (elderly, disabled etc) are likely to sustain injuries on slides and slides should not be used unless a real and immediate greater danger exists (eg smoke/fire). An orderly disembarkation via stairs can always be upgraded to an evacuation if the situation changes.
If, indeed, the Adam Air aircraft called for stairs in this situation and did not evacuate with slides, I think that was the correct decision and possibly saved further injuries.
Having said that, yes Adam Air should be grounded for life and all Indonesian airlines should be banned from entering any other country until their industry is sorted out.
But no I don't subscribe to the theory that a gear collapse nor an aircraft leaving the runway necessarily calls for an immediate evacuation, nor does the training department of my airline.
Evidence or likelihood of fire/smoke: sure. But otherwise, you will likely cause more injuries evacuating passengers down slides. Particularly if the aircraft is not at normal "on-ground" body angle - some slides may be too steep to be used as designed and some slides too shallow. Furthermore, many passengers (elderly, disabled etc) are likely to sustain injuries on slides and slides should not be used unless a real and immediate greater danger exists (eg smoke/fire). An orderly disembarkation via stairs can always be upgraded to an evacuation if the situation changes.
If, indeed, the Adam Air aircraft called for stairs in this situation and did not evacuate with slides, I think that was the correct decision and possibly saved further injuries.
Having said that, yes Adam Air should be grounded for life and all Indonesian airlines should be banned from entering any other country until their industry is sorted out.
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The end is near for Adam Air?
Having said that, yes Adam Air should be grounded for life and all Indonesian airlines should be banned from entering any other country until their industry is sorted out.
Why am I not surprised...
As of the rest of the country's airlines... sorry, if there's someone to blame for us getting the EU ban, or for our DGAC to have been made incompetent (rumours include the former head of the DGAC being on the payroll of Adam Air), look no further than Adam Air... allegations of their "persuasion" to use the regulators to wreak havoc on other airlines were prevalent 2 years ago... We have airlines that self regulate better than the govt...
According to the news, it was 15 minutes before the pax was evacuated. Sounds like the IB A346 too... no slides, use the stairs... but hang on... I don't see stairs here... I see... A LADDER!
And also according to the rumour mills, the injuries were caused by the pax eager to get out of the aircraft in panic after the door was opened... Dunno if this is true...
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Squak7700, your comment
isn't really fair. How many people who aren't aviation enthusiasts or have some link to the industry would know Adam Air is a shambles? I wouldn't have known from the media. I almost certainly wouldn't have trawled the internet looking up accident statistics prior to booking - I don't for any other form of transport after all.
I would imagine "the majority of people" simply assume that if an airline is allowed to fly at all it reaches certain standards re: training & safety. (Not necessarily true I know, but not an unreasonable assumption for Joe Bloggs).
It goes to show you that the majority of people are stupid and ignorant.
I would imagine "the majority of people" simply assume that if an airline is allowed to fly at all it reaches certain standards re: training & safety. (Not necessarily true I know, but not an unreasonable assumption for Joe Bloggs).
Particularly if the aircraft is not at normal "on-ground" body angle - some slides may be too steep to be used as designed and some slides too shallow.
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RIP
The sooner the day these turkeys stop operating the better , these guys and girls are the biggest bunch of incompetent aviation thugs ive ever come across.
THEY HIGHLIGHT THE COMPLETE AND UTTER BREAKDOWN OF THE REGULATATORY SYSTEM , BY CONTINOUSLY STOOPING TO THE LOWEST LEVELS OF SAFETY AND CORRUPTION.
ADAM AIR ARE THE SHONKIEST OPERATOR IN INDO AND THE AVIATION REGULATORY BODY THE WORST GOVERNING BODY IN THE WORLD?
THEY HIGHLIGHT THE COMPLETE AND UTTER BREAKDOWN OF THE REGULATATORY SYSTEM , BY CONTINOUSLY STOOPING TO THE LOWEST LEVELS OF SAFETY AND CORRUPTION.
ADAM AIR ARE THE SHONKIEST OPERATOR IN INDO AND THE AVIATION REGULATORY BODY THE WORST GOVERNING BODY IN THE WORLD?
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Seems you won't have to worry about Adam Air too much longer. They've stopped selling tickets and one travel agency says she was told to expect an announcement in the next day or two that ther airline is shutting down.
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Just got a call from "someone in Batam Airport"...
Apparently the evacuation was done without ladders or slides. Slides reported to be U/S or Inop... Don't take this as confirmed info yet though, I'm waiting for pics he promised, taken during the evac...
Apparently the evacuation was done without ladders or slides. Slides reported to be U/S or Inop... Don't take this as confirmed info yet though, I'm waiting for pics he promised, taken during the evac...