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Risky IL-76 Take-off Captured on Video

Old 14th Feb 2008, 15:12
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Once saw one getting off 03L at Jo'burg - one of the longest runways anywhere - and he used THE LOT. Then again, we were at the hold and for much of the run all we could see was a pall of smoke, so the only reason I know he used so much was when we finally saw him emerge from the self-induced cloud... Not a hot day, late-June, but still at 5500'AMSL he needed most of the 14500' available!

Another Ilyushin leaving little room for error...








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Old 14th Feb 2008, 15:16
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You may indeed have a point Hotel Tango!
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 15:30
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Not the first time really, PIA out of MAN, countless Ilyushins out of HKT - not to mention the odd EK A340 in Jo'burg a while ago
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 15:40
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Originally Posted by ImpairedHearing
Not the first time really, PIA out of MAN, countless Ilyushins out of HKT - not to mention the odd EK A340 in Jo'burg a while ago
I don't think it's all that uncommon, especially in hotter climes (I've seen it myself with an Olympic 747). You can watch it over and over with a video though (and cringe every time )
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 16:28
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Old Video

That video was filmed in Feb 2001, before the runway was extended to its present length, which still does not explain the 2600+ ground roll.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 16:30
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I've just remembered seeing a video of the first pax carrying 747 out of Bournemouth...a spectator in the background can be heard saying something along the lines of 'oh my god, its not gonna make it'! Not quite as tight as the Il-76, but impressive nonetheless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGZ4l5fk4Q
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 16:42
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Perkin let me remind you that was an western aircraft. We are allowed to crash them. Different rules for us. We are so "perfect" that we are allowed to screw everything and use any excuse.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 16:48
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Why the fuss

Thats what i experience in the A340/300 everytime we close to max take off weights. Thinking the IL76 has a better chance of survival as he has no computers that restrict the amount of movement of the flying surfaces
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 18:43
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CUTTING IT FINE seems to be the way with these aircraft
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 18:59
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Yes, I just realised that I'd posted a vid of a western aircraft doing a very similar thing to the IL-76, thus blowing the Russian 'cowboy' sentiment out of the water to some extent! I guess as it was a western aircraft operating from a UK airport, it was just a well calculated take-off...! It does look quite scary though, it just keeps coming and coming until it finally lifts off... At least the IL-76 wasnt stuffed full of pax...
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 19:00
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nterstingly, Jepp shows the TORA for 17 as 2683, with a TODA of 3273. As these guys lifted off at the threshold, it seems to me that they were on the ground for about 600m of roll (past the end of the TORA) when they shouldn't have been.
As I recall it TODA isn't necessarily all on the ground...bit of clearway, anyone?

I don't know how it stacks up on the runway in question, though. General observation.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 19:15
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Not trying to justify that t/o as it was pretty bad but I am doing exams at the moment and thought that you had to be halfway to the screen height by the end of the TORA according to ICAO. Is that right or am I going to fail my exams?
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 19:38
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scooby79, no you wont fail:

"TORA=Takeoff runway the aircraft must be airborne at V2 [for the accelerate-go] at 35' above the end of the TORA with one engine inoperative: for all engines the FAR TORA includes a safety factor of [half the airborne distance to 35' plus 15%"

but, in post #9--- I described a scenario possible with older types
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 20:18
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The extension at YSCB is has only been completed in the last couple of years or so. By looking at it I think that this was before it was done. Back then TORA and TODA were the same.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 20:45
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This one had passengers !


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=feGZ4l5fk4Q
 
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Why do you think we bought the C-17s???
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 21:10
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This one had passengers !


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=feGZ4l5fk4Q
Beat you to it about 5 hrs ago...read back through the thread!
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 21:23
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Well, if you're paying for the whole runway, you might as well use it!
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 21:35
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Why do you think we bought the C-17s???
To kiss American ass, same reason Canada bought some.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 21:38
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Originally Posted by [URL="http://www.pprune.org/forums/member.php?u=194610
pasoundman[/url]"]This one had passengers !


http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=feGZ4l5fk4Q
For this video, estimating the distances is difficult due to the zooming.
If I am not mistaken, rotation happens at the level of the TDZ markings next to the aiming point and lift off is at the aiming point markings, thus 1500 ft and 1000 ft before the threshhold.
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