Phuket Air Safety Issues
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Looks like I touched a raw nerve!
I have surely touched a raw nerve. Boo hoo! I feel really sorry for you. One thing I am now sure of you must be one of the following
1. The former fly by night CP they kicked out, <quote> the no good pilot with a bad atitude and inflated ego<quote>. If you are this guy, did Phuket Air remiburse you to fly deadhead and what about your personal bills?
OR
2. You must be one of the other pilots/FEs they kicked out, <quote> the fly by night mercenaries, trouble makers and bandwagon jumpers who other airlines wouldnt even touch with a barge pole <quote> If you are one of those guys all the best on finding you next part time job.
How do I know this, you may wonder? Hell with the kind of insider details you have and the fact that you are in BKK, you either work for them or were working for them. IF they are so bad as you think, why did you work for them in the first place. If you didnt work with them and you are getting all this from an insider, both of you need to a get a life! and while you are at it best of luck on finding your next fix! If you found one, who hired you? They must be pretty desperate for crew??? I know some other mercanaries who would be intrested in knowing.
1. The former fly by night CP they kicked out, <quote> the no good pilot with a bad atitude and inflated ego<quote>. If you are this guy, did Phuket Air remiburse you to fly deadhead and what about your personal bills?
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2. You must be one of the other pilots/FEs they kicked out, <quote> the fly by night mercenaries, trouble makers and bandwagon jumpers who other airlines wouldnt even touch with a barge pole <quote> If you are one of those guys all the best on finding you next part time job.
How do I know this, you may wonder? Hell with the kind of insider details you have and the fact that you are in BKK, you either work for them or were working for them. IF they are so bad as you think, why did you work for them in the first place. If you didnt work with them and you are getting all this from an insider, both of you need to a get a life! and while you are at it best of luck on finding your next fix! If you found one, who hired you? They must be pretty desperate for crew??? I know some other mercanaries who would be intrested in knowing.
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Dear Avia77,
You little rant says it all.......
......and shows how much you really know of the contract world and those who are/were in it and what they know about "the game".
Anyway, best of luck in your career and I dearly hope, for your sake, your loyality is recipricated.
You little rant says it all.......
......and shows how much you really know of the contract world and those who are/were in it and what they know about "the game".
Anyway, best of luck in your career and I dearly hope, for your sake, your loyality is recipricated.
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How about sticking with the subject and not "flaming" the posters!
Most of these events are recorded so how can you claim that they are exagerated?
True or false?
I dont see the problem with that amount for someone flying overtime, but did they get paid on time?
I wonder how long it will be before some disgruntled crewmember has SVA in court due to this
Mutt
highly exagerated claims of safety violations and
rumors about delays in pay
(rumors confirm that active pilots in the SV project are drawing more than $12k per month and on time )
I wonder how long it will be before some disgruntled crewmember has SVA in court due to this
Mutt
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The problem is Phuket Air's Management, not the contract pilot group.
avia77 you obviously don't understand junior.
The safety issues are what they are, not fabricated but factual reports that were filed with the Saudi PCA.
As for pay, look at www.climbto350.com and you will see Phuket Air's own ad for crew, the salaries and over time are clearly in print, $ 8,500 for Captains, $ 6,500 for F/O F/E for 75 hours, with overtime paid over 75 hours. These pay rates are below other contract 747 Classic contracts such as Air India and Korean Air.
So for one to be due $ 12,000 a month means that he/she must have flown considerable overtime, which he/she should be duly paid for. Agreed ? what's the problem.
You sound like a Phuket Air management type. Promise one thing and say another.
If it wasn't for contract crews, or mercenary pilots as you call them, (this shows what little you know ) airlines like Phuket Air, Air Atlanta, Logistic Air, Orient Thai, Skystar, and all of these types ect,, would cease to operate because they rely on contract crewmembers.
This is ACMI ops 101, which you obviously don't know anything about.
Take that silver spoon that your mommy has been feeding you with out of your mouth and stick it up your xxxhole
then swap frequently. 
The Saudi's love boys like you, get out the vaseline, you're gonna need it.
The safety issues are what they are, not fabricated but factual reports that were filed with the Saudi PCA.
As for pay, look at www.climbto350.com and you will see Phuket Air's own ad for crew, the salaries and over time are clearly in print, $ 8,500 for Captains, $ 6,500 for F/O F/E for 75 hours, with overtime paid over 75 hours. These pay rates are below other contract 747 Classic contracts such as Air India and Korean Air.
So for one to be due $ 12,000 a month means that he/she must have flown considerable overtime, which he/she should be duly paid for. Agreed ? what's the problem.
You sound like a Phuket Air management type. Promise one thing and say another.
If it wasn't for contract crews, or mercenary pilots as you call them, (this shows what little you know ) airlines like Phuket Air, Air Atlanta, Logistic Air, Orient Thai, Skystar, and all of these types ect,, would cease to operate because they rely on contract crewmembers.
This is ACMI ops 101, which you obviously don't know anything about.
Take that silver spoon that your mommy has been feeding you with out of your mouth and stick it up your xxxhole
then swap frequently. The Saudi's love boys like you, get out the vaseline, you're gonna need it.
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Hit it on the spot!
KaptKatoi, I really did hit it on the spot, didnt I? My guesses about you being a former disgruntled pilot from Phuket Air were right. I looked up the website.you forgot to mention the $1500 per diem extra on salary (not including overtime) and free hotel room and board (naturally all airlines give it) that the contract pilots get. And yes if they are are earning over $12K, they are doing overtime. Finally all this is tax free!
If these pay scales are low than AI or KE, it is because of what these airlines are, ACMI operators with old aircraft. These are not national carriers with fleets of over 100 new aircraft, top of the line managers, practically unlimited funding, permanent crew/staff (in addition to contracted crews they carefully hire after a whetting process and security checks) and worldwide operations. With old aircraft and cut rate crew, you are bound to have safety problems. What do you expect? If these guys are flying for cut rate contract airlines like these, it is because they either cant or dont want get a job anywhere else or they are in it for the tax free money. And what do they expect, respect?? They are getting what they deserve, nothing more, nothing less! If they are flying overtime and are not still getting the due, they should leave, go to court and move to AI or KE (if they havent been fired from there or refused employment on applying). And any way, best of luck on going to the kangaroo courts in Thailand or Saudi Arabia!
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Understand that Phuket told crews that they couldnt pay January overtime as the contracting airline complained. Now they are advertising on the web offering overtime as part of the package. So whats it to be... ?
I would be a lot more concerned about crews taking a case in the USA, especially as Phuket have named the contracting airline as the reason crews wont get paid overtime. Have you read the small print in your leasing contract?
Mutt
And any way, best of luck on going to the kangaroo courts in Thailand or Saudi Arabia!
Mutt
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avia77, did some disgruntled Phuket Air pilot run off with your wife ??
"Now some of these crew who were chucked out including the old CP are going around making highly exagerated claims of safety violations and rumors about delays in pay"
Dear avia77 , please define what a "highly exagerated" claim of safety violations would be ? Give us an example please.
"you forgot to mention the $1500 per diem extra on salary (not including overtime) and free hotel room and board (naturally all airlines give it) that the contract pilots get"
so avia77 , do you think that $ 50 a day in perdiem is a high figure ? would you like to see that amount lowered ? apparently so.
Are you a crewmember or management type ?
And as for the "free" hotel room, would you like to have it so that these crews pay for their own hotel accomodation ?? What point are you trying to make ?
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The truth about Phuket
dont usual post on this site but there is lot crap being said here i have to say truth. Have been working for Phuket for few years so know what happening really. Was very bad before but now big improvements, many lies about incidents and new chief pilot. Think ex employees pissed off by sacking and now throwing lies , insults at everybody - none true. Go get life ex employees! 
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Finish 3rd Grade please
"dont usual post on this site"
"many lies about incidents"
Where's the truth ? Certainly not with you.
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Flippedout,
Like you, I have flown with the past CP ( in another company) and the CP before that and the one before that.......and many many others.....arrrhhhh the life of an ACMI contract dog. I miss it but not enough to give up the solid airline paycheck.
Avia77 should realise (if he is a wannabe newbee) that if he wants to learn "the art" he needs to shut the f@#k up and suck in the brain marrow out of these so called washed up captains......because.......these so called washed up captains have come from "real airlines" and have never been personally responsible for an accident nor inccident in their careers.
From my experience Phuket Air is all that is said of it in this forum...any defence is pure blinderness OR speculation in employment longevity.
Like you, I have flown with the past CP ( in another company) and the CP before that and the one before that.......and many many others.....arrrhhhh the life of an ACMI contract dog. I miss it but not enough to give up the solid airline paycheck.
Avia77 should realise (if he is a wannabe newbee) that if he wants to learn "the art" he needs to shut the f@#k up and suck in the brain marrow out of these so called washed up captains......because.......these so called washed up captains have come from "real airlines" and have never been personally responsible for an accident nor inccident in their careers.
From my experience Phuket Air is all that is said of it in this forum...any defence is pure blinderness OR speculation in employment longevity.
The current CP has only been such for less than 30 days, and with 2 engine fire warnings in a row,(dump fuel and return), a cargo fire warning with an evacuation, 2 incidents of altitude busts, (gross altitude busts with partial loss of aircraft control) , flying thru TRW with no wx radar and almost stalling the aircraft, crew consuming alcohol during flight (that's the operating crew mind you) and the management looks the other way,
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Being from an other side of operations: I know an airline that sold its old but well maintained aircraft to the above mentioned airline & got very warm seeing the way they operated / maintained it. If something happens to an aircraft, often "back to birth" maintenance records have to be made available. So the old operator remains linked to the aircraft they sold. They have become more carefull now in selling aircraft & rather have it scrapped then selling it to such operators for a few bucks.. 
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and the enemy is amongst us!
Waste no more time trying to guess how this company selects team players for this gansters running this outfit. On the one hand, the Saudi's have committed adultery with the harlot, named Saudi CAA receives golden shake $200K to nullify ban of Phuket into KSA, then Saudia Airlines turns the blind eye over maint/safety issues. Elect a new CP to be nothing more than an opportunistic slut while the sun rises back in Europe where he can seek refuge of this barbarism. So far the individual has not been very popular, as he is just a messenger from management and a poor bastard caught in the middle of storms for flying aircraft with no radar at night. Ask his colleagues about his color when he almost lost control of a/c over stormy cyclone over Indian Ocean. Only a slut pomm could dare the punch at night blinded. If this is CP imagine the other slaves caught in that trap of a job??
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Can you confirm that ALL crew got their January salaries COMPLETE with the OVERTIME that they thought they should have gotten?
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no honey!
I am not sure in which world you live in to consider returning back to this job based in this dump place under the premise of whether you get or not paid. I can tell you this if you have forgotten, guys have had to stay on their own, to get paid like misserable slaves, you are in jail here until given an exit permit. You are at the mercy of an accident waiting to happen, most pilots if they refure to fly aircraft with No Go's are fired, ask Chief Pilot who is the first one to promote prostitution here, G.A.C.A knows about this and they do nothing because the bribons are paid by Thai gangsters too, so yes to answer your question, you get eventually paid after begging if not being raped, welcome to ****et air!
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phuket's latest advertisement in the u.s. says "the overtime rate may be removed". very confusing info about what the pay is between 75-85 hours and what will be paid for flying above 85 hours.
did everyone get paid properly for the hajj??? it seems like phuket is recruiting all new crews again.....must be some valid reason the hajj guys have not returned????
did everyone get paid properly for the hajj??? it seems like phuket is recruiting all new crews again.....must be some valid reason the hajj guys have not returned????
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did everyone get paid properly for the hajj???
There is a very interesting letter going around about the inner workings of Phuket Air, i would reprint it here but its highly slanderous against the new Chief Pilot. Certainly not a happy camp at the moment.
Buyer beware
Mutt
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10 reasons to stay away from Phuket Air
1. January salary not Paid.
2. Overtime above 85 hours 150% cut to hourly rate after Overtime was already flown,managers state Saudi Arabian Airline problem.
3. No work Permits for Thailand.
4. Contract, no ability to enforce it, done just to satisfy government.
5. Seniority lists, big laugh.
6. Dont get caught following the MEL, will be terminated.
7. Dont push the FDT issue, will be terminated.
8. Adverts on climb to350, just to replace ones that complain about safety and pay issues.
9. Safety issues, conditions of the airplanes, threats of termination!
10. New Chief Pilot will never back you up, placed by the boss to be a puppet.
I see someone else posted the majority of safety issues.
Did forget one though.
Airplane flying with only 1 working INS, (VAN) crews given hand held GPS for backup. Been this way for months.
Better jobs to be had folks!
2. Overtime above 85 hours 150% cut to hourly rate after Overtime was already flown,managers state Saudi Arabian Airline problem.
3. No work Permits for Thailand.
4. Contract, no ability to enforce it, done just to satisfy government.
5. Seniority lists, big laugh.
6. Dont get caught following the MEL, will be terminated.
7. Dont push the FDT issue, will be terminated.
8. Adverts on climb to350, just to replace ones that complain about safety and pay issues.
9. Safety issues, conditions of the airplanes, threats of termination!
10. New Chief Pilot will never back you up, placed by the boss to be a puppet.
I see someone else posted the majority of safety issues.
Did forget one though.
Airplane flying with only 1 working INS, (VAN) crews given hand held GPS for backup. Been this way for months.
Better jobs to be had folks!
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