Phuket Air Safety Issues
 

Orient Thai is not alone with incidents in the recent past. This reborn airline called Phuket Air has had it's share of safety issues as well. However, Phuket Air seems to have an in with the Thai DCA as it tends to look the other way and ignore all of Phuket Air's troubles.
Phuket Air had a recent incident where one of their 747-300's registration HS-VAN flew thru a thunderstorm at 37,000 feet with a full load of passengers. Reports from the cabin crew and passengers were of total terror :eek: as the aircraft went into this storm at night in Indonesian airspace. There was +/- 2,000 feet in altitude deviations with the thrust at max and airspeed down to the stick shaker, they almost stalled it. This particular flight was operated by an Italian crew, ex Ocean Air which migrated to Phuket Air. The WX radar, both systems, had been inop for more than 3 weeks.

This incident came after 2 other incidents of altitude busts, one in Saudi Airspace, and another over the Indian ocean with Indonesian Pilots at the helm. Before that 2 back to back departues out of Jeddah with Engine Fire warnings, dumped fuel and returned to Jeddah. They refueled and took off with a different crew and had yet again another engine fire warning, dumped fuel and returned.

Then the recent evacuation in Madinah with a cargo fire warning, see this link in the news http://www.etravelblackboard.com/ind...id=73065&nav=2

was yet another incident amongst numerous others that are unreported.

How long can the Thai DCA allow this to continue ? Let alone the Saudi PCA.

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As long as the cultures work on a 'its not what you know, its who you know basis'.

I have worked in both areas, with both CAA's

Your story reference Phuket is a good one, but how do you know some of the details? i.e. speed back to the stick shakers etc.

I have some even more frightning stories about the same organization, but nothing i could discuss on PPRuNe. pm me if you like.

I'm afraid that is the case.
Who you know and scapegoats sum it up here in Asia!

The Thai DCA are a minefield and you ain't gonta change them!!!!

Ahhhh, Tigs2, that takes all the fun outta PPrune....... :):)

Mutt

..... Hmmm, I assume that a few dollars in their back pockets allows mines to be sidestepped............did I say that!!:oh:

Apparently the Chief Pilot at Phuket has just been replaced.

The new guy is said to be very experienced and wants to make it a proper airline. Hope he succeeds.

As we say in Thailand: "TIT". "This is Thailand."

Surely you jest cool dude.
Same one, CP that promote the old PIA Captain over training.
Same PIA training Captain caught on airplane administering check ride and deported from Jiddah days ago.
Banned from kingdom reason because overflying restricted area Medina Mousk with PIA.
Think no one see, huh!

Disgruntled former employees????
 

All this sounds like a lot of former disgruntled employees complaining ??? what details on the incident. could only be known to an insider???. maybe phuket air owes you monies.

anyway sorry to burst bubble. Looks like Phuket Air has been given another long term extension on their contract. Maybe Saudia knows better.

They recently signed a 1 year contract with Saudia for 3 aircraft. New British Chief Pilot appears to be surrounded by Italians. Hope he can recognize the talent that already works there and maximize their potential.

Mutt

Saudi Arabian Airlines, watch out for a crash in your future
 

i thought they already had? (re punch one in)

isnt one-2-go theirs too init?

no
 

no, One-Two-Go is owned by Orient Thai

ah ok sorry
i though orient thai was the phoenix arising after phuket air so i thought there was a link with them all
cheers though

Shedding excess fat
 

I see that they are reducing crew overtime payments and blaming the contracting airline...... :(

For those of you more familiar with ACMI, is it common practice for the contracting airline to refuse to pay overtime for the crews, or is this even their business? After all they would have had an ACMI quote prior to the flight, they either had to accept it or not!

Mutt

Past, Present and Future
 

This is the lowdown on whats happening at Phuket Air.
Six months ago the airline was pretty desperate for crew (pilots and FEs) to start the SV operation. Most of their old timers had left due to stop in operations for over a year. They had to hired the some of the worst crew available, fly by night mercenaries, trouble makers and bandwagon jumpers who other airlines wouldnt even touch with a bargepole. Some of these guys had the worst personal and professional reputations possible. However they had to make do and start their operations. The CP they hired in the beginning was a no good pilot with a bad atitude and inflated ego. This guy I believe even demanded pay on flights he deadheaded and asked the airline to reimburse his personal bills. Most of these guys bickered among each other, flew at their pleasure and had scant regard for safety norms. As time passed however they were able to hire some better crew and they decided to get rid of these verm**. Now some of these crew who were chucked out including the old CP are going around making highly exagerated claims of safety violations and rumors about delays in pay. From what I have heard, they have some good crew now, who are doing a good job and are also being paid on time. No wonder, SV gave them an extension of their contract :ok:

Can you confirm that ALL crew got their January salaries COMPLETE with the OVERTIME that they thought they should have gotten?

That really made my day...... :D Trust me, it has nothing to do with their safety record....


Mutt

Yup, heard that there are some issues with overtime pay.

Stop playing with your Mommie's Computer and go do your homework
 

Hey son, you don't know jack s**t :mad: about anything that happened because your posting isn't correct, not even close. :=

The current CP has only been such for less than 30 days, and with 2 engine fire warnings in a row,(dump fuel and return), a cargo fire warning with an evacuation, 2 incidents of altitude busts, (gross altitude busts with partial loss of aircraft control) , flying thru TRW with no wx radar and almost stalling the aircraft, crew consuming alcohol during flight (that's the operating crew mind you) and the management looks the other way, so what do you know kid. Go do your homework and stop playing with your Mommie's computer. :=