Phuket Air Safety Issues
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Will add one important issue.
The old Chief Pilot would never terminated anyone for refusing to fly an airplane that was not airworthy and stand behind you when it happened.
His background was from a major airline as F/O cokebottle stated, he never has been involved in a accident or incident.
He would say no to the management when it came to crew salary and safety issue that were not correct.
Call him a drunk or what have you, he did his job and looked after his pilots.
The old Chief Pilot would never terminated anyone for refusing to fly an airplane that was not airworthy and stand behind you when it happened.
His background was from a major airline as F/O cokebottle stated, he never has been involved in a accident or incident.
He would say no to the management when it came to crew salary and safety issue that were not correct.
Call him a drunk or what have you, he did his job and looked after his pilots.
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I believe that they have or had a wanted Capt. from UK,he was caught bringing drugs into the country and suspected trafficking regularly,fled on an alternate passport back to his abode of peace.
Also a Capt. who went spent some time at Her Majesty's pleasure for being under the influence in the UK,he also went back to the abode of peace. In both cases not for long!I imagine both the Thai and Saudi authorities would be interested in them.Having said all the later was a very good pilot.
I guess pilots these sort of situations have nowhere else to go.
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Also a Capt. who went spent some time at Her Majesty's pleasure for being under the influence in the UK,he also went back to the abode of peace. In both cases not for long!I imagine both the Thai and Saudi authorities would be interested in them.Having said all the later was a very good pilot.
I guess pilots these sort of situations have nowhere else to go.
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An Aluminum Shower in the future ?
I had to revisit this thread with the new posts about Phuket Air these last 2 days. The incidents keep on recurring it seems. The Saudi's need to get control of their airline before there is a disaster with this operation.
They can stick their heads in the sand for now, but it will surely catch up sooner or later.
They can stick their heads in the sand for now, but it will surely catch up sooner or later.
hope Saudia can address the issue of safety and Phuket will comply
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Same reason he was not hired for Midex, not qualified.Saudi Arabian Airlines is fully aware of any and all safety violations of the leased aircraft Phuket Air.
Saudi Arabian Airlines and GACA has been informed in writing concerning any and all issues addressed here by X Phuket crews.
I fully expect the most recent crews that resigned to expand further.
For Saudi Arabian Airlines to continue operating in full knowledge of these issues more than shows the airline is in a downward tailspin and not a world class airline any longer.
Saudi Arabian Airlines is in such a bad way now they have to rely on these shady operators.
The next step is to wait for the smoking hole, then observe the finger pointing.
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The FAA is investigating Thailand now, partly as a result of OG269. Do you have proof and/or those letters written to inform Saudi authorities?
www.InvestigateUdom.com, see the "press information" link
www.InvestigateUdom.com, see the "press information" link
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I hope that recently resigned crew members will pass on any and all info to you and the FAA
If only what half is true then Saudi Arabian Airlines and Thai Arlines should lose there catergory 1 status.
You and the FAA should get this info soon enough.
If only what half is true then Saudi Arabian Airlines and Thai Arlines should lose there catergory 1 status.
You and the FAA should get this info soon enough.
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These categories are the FAA's way of rating the Oversight of a country's airlines as a means to ensue safe operations of foreign carriers in the US AND of informing US tourists abroad of whether they can trust the air carriers in-country.
In a nutshell, category 1 is "most trusted partner" allowing a country's airlines tremendous flexibility in the US. Category 2 is a sort of watch list and it significantly limits the rights of the airlines in the US. The only other option is for a country to be de-listed entirely, in which case no flights are allowed into the US.
As described here and in the thread of OG269, the Thai DCA is clearly not doing their job of oversight. The IASA review is already well underway.
You can read more about the program here at the FAA website. See evidence of the rating used as tourist information here at the US state department site, Thailand page.
In a nutshell, category 1 is "most trusted partner" allowing a country's airlines tremendous flexibility in the US. Category 2 is a sort of watch list and it significantly limits the rights of the airlines in the US. The only other option is for a country to be de-listed entirely, in which case no flights are allowed into the US.
As described here and in the thread of OG269, the Thai DCA is clearly not doing their job of oversight. The IASA review is already well underway.
You can read more about the program here at the FAA website. See evidence of the rating used as tourist information here at the US state department site, Thailand page.
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Recent Resignations
Nine pilots resigned there positions with Phuket Air in the past 30 days.
Resignations where direct results of safety issues, non payment according to terms stated in contracts, duty time violations, MEL non compliance and to include intimidation from C/P along with managment.
Hotel accomidations also an important factor.
Al-Badr in a old filthy section of JED, not up to standard for crew.
Resignations where direct results of safety issues, non payment according to terms stated in contracts, duty time violations, MEL non compliance and to include intimidation from C/P along with managment.
Hotel accomidations also an important factor.
Al-Badr in a old filthy section of JED, not up to standard for crew.
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Thailand and Saudi Arabia should be downgraded to Cat 2
A country is given a Category 1 rating if the country’s civil aviation authorities (CAA) has been found to license and oversee air carriers in accordance with International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) aviation safety standards.
Category 2 means a country’s CAA does not provide safety oversight of its air carriers in accordance with the minimum safety oversight standards of ICAO.
It is now known as a fact that Phuket Air is flying with both pilots at the controls being over age 60. We all know that the ICAO age limit was raised to 65 , however one of the pilots must be below age 60 if the other is over age 60. Phuket Air, an airline registered in Thailand and under the Thai DCA's oversight has done nothing to change this practice. I don't make the laws, I only try to abide by the ones that are subject to enforcement action.
Saudi Arabian Airlines is also aware of this but has done nothing to control Phuket Air's gross negligence. Therefore, both Thailand and Saudi Arabia , (in my opinion) should be downgraded to Cat 2 status until such time that Thai DCA and the Saudi PCA comply with ICAO rules and regulations.
The act of purchasing new aircraft from Airbus or Boeing does not mean that these countries are able to oversee the operators of such aircraft.
A big Thumbs down for Thailand and Saudi Arabia.
Category 2 means a country’s CAA does not provide safety oversight of its air carriers in accordance with the minimum safety oversight standards of ICAO.
It is now known as a fact that Phuket Air is flying with both pilots at the controls being over age 60. We all know that the ICAO age limit was raised to 65 , however one of the pilots must be below age 60 if the other is over age 60. Phuket Air, an airline registered in Thailand and under the Thai DCA's oversight has done nothing to change this practice. I don't make the laws, I only try to abide by the ones that are subject to enforcement action.
Saudi Arabian Airlines is also aware of this but has done nothing to control Phuket Air's gross negligence. Therefore, both Thailand and Saudi Arabia , (in my opinion) should be downgraded to Cat 2 status until such time that Thai DCA and the Saudi PCA comply with ICAO rules and regulations.
The act of purchasing new aircraft from Airbus or Boeing does not mean that these countries are able to oversee the operators of such aircraft.
A big Thumbs down for Thailand and Saudi Arabia.
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Downgrading of Saudi Arabia and Thailand,, AGREED ! !
Yes, most agreed. The Thailand DCA has absolutely NO oversight of Phuket Air that is operating for Saudi Arabian Airlines 3,500 miles away from it's offices. Phuket Air continues to do as it pleases with threats of intimidation and dismissal if the crews attempt "any" sort of adherance to rules and regulations.
Would you put your family on this carrier ?
ICAO needs to do the right thing and overlook politics and put both these carriers where they belong, and that's on the ground.
Would you put your family on this carrier ?
ICAO needs to do the right thing and overlook politics and put both these carriers where they belong, and that's on the ground.
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Looks to me that there just might be a (not so) hidden agenda here, from some of the posters who, having had perhaps a disagreement with either Phuket Air or SaudiArabian Airlines, trying to make a case.
As for trying to revoke category one status for either Thailand or Saudi Arabia (the latter especially)....forget about it, ain't gonna happen.
Politics, you see.
Typing in big letters ain't gonna do it, either.
As for trying to revoke category one status for either Thailand or Saudi Arabia (the latter especially)....forget about it, ain't gonna happen.
Politics, you see.
Typing in big letters ain't gonna do it, either.
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Yeah 411A,
Agree with you. There appear to be some real bent feathers in this thread.
World's oldest story:
Boy meets Airplane: falls in Love with small paycheck.
Millionaire meets Airline: falls in Love with oil producing state in trying to keep it afloat.
Boy decides to try to fix airline, incurs wrath of millionaire.
Stay tuned..... They may not live happily ever after...
Changing a whole country's ICAO status based on the practices of a single colluding out of state carrier is, in the real world, not likely to happen imho. Especially not a critical oil/ally state such as the case is here. Who knows at the other end. But at a small outfit, this kind of posting is embarking down a destructive path anyway, for everybody.
A wise bird once said: Job actions are legal and appropriate at some large airlines in prosperous times. So I hesitate to suggest this next option: if it's that bad, and you're still on the payroll, call IFALPA. They've seen this story a million times. Maybe they can give some advice or help broker a compromise.
Just trying to help, that's all.
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Agree with you. There appear to be some real bent feathers in this thread.
World's oldest story:
Boy meets Airplane: falls in Love with small paycheck.
Millionaire meets Airline: falls in Love with oil producing state in trying to keep it afloat.
Boy decides to try to fix airline, incurs wrath of millionaire.
Stay tuned..... They may not live happily ever after...
Changing a whole country's ICAO status based on the practices of a single colluding out of state carrier is, in the real world, not likely to happen imho. Especially not a critical oil/ally state such as the case is here. Who knows at the other end. But at a small outfit, this kind of posting is embarking down a destructive path anyway, for everybody.
A wise bird once said: Job actions are legal and appropriate at some large airlines in prosperous times. So I hesitate to suggest this next option: if it's that bad, and you're still on the payroll, call IFALPA. They've seen this story a million times. Maybe they can give some advice or help broker a compromise.
Just trying to help, that's all.
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Love is Blind 411A
Mr 411A, your love for Saudi Arabian Airlines is obvious, perhaps so much that you think it is the same airline now as it was when you were there ? am I reading you correctly ?
Saudi Arabian Airlines has lost the big picture here. Letting ACMI operators carry their flag and name with their junk aircraft is what "is" the big picture.
Perhaps the bold letters will be on the front page of the newspaper after the crash that is coming ?
Why don't you put sensibility ahead of nostalgia.
Saudi Arabian Airlines has lost the big picture here. Letting ACMI operators carry their flag and name with their junk aircraft is what "is" the big picture.
Perhaps the bold letters will be on the front page of the newspaper after the crash that is coming ?
Why don't you put sensibility ahead of nostalgia.