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BA 15% pay cut
BA CHIEFS CUT THEIR PAY BY 15%
British Airways executives have agreed to cut their pay by 15%. They say it is a move to help the airline through difficult times in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in the United States. Chief executive Rod Eddington, who suggested the move, will have his £525,000 basic salary cut by £78,000. All 12 executive directors have agreed to a 15% pay cut, while 600 senior managers are being asked to have their salaries reduced by 10%. BA, which earlier today announced cuts in flights and a 9% reduction in capacity, says it hoped to save £2 million in the current financial year through the salary savings. Mr Eddington said: "Taking a pay cut is the right thing for the most senior people in the business to do at this time. It is part of their contribution as leaders to helping BA through this most difficult of times." In a letter to managers, Mr Eddington said he was conscious how hard they were working to respond to the "extraordinary challenges" the airline industry was facing. "Asking you to accept a pay cut is not something I do lightly. However, I believe that it is the appropriate step for us to take at this time as a collective act of leadership." Starting salaries for senior managers is around £50,000. BA said there were no plans to ask other staff, such as pilots or cabin crew, to take a pay cut.
British Airways executives have agreed to cut their pay by 15%. They say it is a move to help the airline through difficult times in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in the United States. Chief executive Rod Eddington, who suggested the move, will have his £525,000 basic salary cut by £78,000. All 12 executive directors have agreed to a 15% pay cut, while 600 senior managers are being asked to have their salaries reduced by 10%. BA, which earlier today announced cuts in flights and a 9% reduction in capacity, says it hoped to save £2 million in the current financial year through the salary savings. Mr Eddington said: "Taking a pay cut is the right thing for the most senior people in the business to do at this time. It is part of their contribution as leaders to helping BA through this most difficult of times." In a letter to managers, Mr Eddington said he was conscious how hard they were working to respond to the "extraordinary challenges" the airline industry was facing. "Asking you to accept a pay cut is not something I do lightly. However, I believe that it is the appropriate step for us to take at this time as a collective act of leadership." Starting salaries for senior managers is around £50,000. BA said there were no plans to ask other staff, such as pilots or cabin crew, to take a pay cut.
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Did'nt I read that the boss of AA was going to work until X'mas for FREE. Would'nt expect Rod to do that but how will he manage on a meagre £400,000 odd + benefits...(pause while I dry my eyes).
BTW, where else could he go now?
BTW, where else could he go now?
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Pity poor Rod, he“s going to be looking for a job before very long.
Remember Ayling? All he ever really did wrong was sanction the tail-graffiti debacle but he was made the scapegoat for everything from the contraction of margins on the Atlantic market to the growth of low-cost competition and demonised for it all. BA“s troubles now make Ayling“s reign look pretty good in comparison....
Remember Ayling? All he ever really did wrong was sanction the tail-graffiti debacle but he was made the scapegoat for everything from the contraction of margins on the Atlantic market to the growth of low-cost competition and demonised for it all. BA“s troubles now make Ayling“s reign look pretty good in comparison....
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Spot on wooof what kind of an airline needs 600 Senior Managers? Answer a bureaucratic hierachical monster that no CEO has ever sorted out since it was a state run monolith.
What BA needs to do is dump 400 of its 600 "Senior Managers" and then start on the middle and junior managers.
When the ratio of staff/Managers/Passengers approaches that of its competitors then it might be in a position to survive.....even thrive!(Ryanair 1 member of staff per 6,ooo passengers flown last year, BA 650 pax per member of staff)
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What BA needs to do is dump 400 of its 600 "Senior Managers" and then start on the middle and junior managers.
When the ratio of staff/Managers/Passengers approaches that of its competitors then it might be in a position to survive.....even thrive!(Ryanair 1 member of staff per 6,ooo passengers flown last year, BA 650 pax per member of staff)
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Guys,
I'm happy to accept that there is bureaocracy in BA but I think you may be pointing the gun at yourselves before very long when comparing the 6000pax/1 staff at Ryan with the 600pax/1 staff argument at BA.
If you sacked every Manager/back room boy you'd still get nowehere near the 6000/1 ratio you quote so I think it's fair to say that those at the sharp end are likely to face similar pressures on their terms and conditions and productivity levels. I doubt that many Ryan Air pilots get paid the £140 000 pa so many of you enjoy.
Incidentally in reply to an earlier post Senior Management salaries at BA are considerably below those of the pilots and it takes until at least 35 and usually at least 40 to get there. Salaries start around 40k rising to around £80k.
I find it amusing that some of you quote a mobile phone and laptop as a perk - get real!! the mobile phone is a pain in the ass (so you can be on call anytime) and the laptop - jeez probably some 3 year old heap of junk which can just about run Office 95! That would be like me saying to you that getting SID charts is handy!
Managers get the same travel concessions Captains do (only they don't get to put their family in 'First' all the time when operating ;o)
They do also get healthcare so that when the stress of working a 60hr week 47 weeks a year finally catches up with them they get the best medical treatment possible!
I think there are many who feel the pilots have had it pretty good in BA for a long time - I recall an 8 day trip to Barbados with only a quick hop to St Lucia in the middle of the week - that's not exactly maximising productivity either is it??
Just trying to put some balance in here. It's a dreadful time for all of us in any airline - let's just hope that things start to improve soon for all our sakes...
Not exactly crying in my beer about Rod's pay cut though - the senior execs of these plc's are a bunch of nest featherers!
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I'm happy to accept that there is bureaocracy in BA but I think you may be pointing the gun at yourselves before very long when comparing the 6000pax/1 staff at Ryan with the 600pax/1 staff argument at BA.
If you sacked every Manager/back room boy you'd still get nowehere near the 6000/1 ratio you quote so I think it's fair to say that those at the sharp end are likely to face similar pressures on their terms and conditions and productivity levels. I doubt that many Ryan Air pilots get paid the £140 000 pa so many of you enjoy.
Incidentally in reply to an earlier post Senior Management salaries at BA are considerably below those of the pilots and it takes until at least 35 and usually at least 40 to get there. Salaries start around 40k rising to around £80k.
I find it amusing that some of you quote a mobile phone and laptop as a perk - get real!! the mobile phone is a pain in the ass (so you can be on call anytime) and the laptop - jeez probably some 3 year old heap of junk which can just about run Office 95! That would be like me saying to you that getting SID charts is handy!
Managers get the same travel concessions Captains do (only they don't get to put their family in 'First' all the time when operating ;o)
They do also get healthcare so that when the stress of working a 60hr week 47 weeks a year finally catches up with them they get the best medical treatment possible!
I think there are many who feel the pilots have had it pretty good in BA for a long time - I recall an 8 day trip to Barbados with only a quick hop to St Lucia in the middle of the week - that's not exactly maximising productivity either is it??
Just trying to put some balance in here. It's a dreadful time for all of us in any airline - let's just hope that things start to improve soon for all our sakes...
Not exactly crying in my beer about Rod's pay cut though - the senior execs of these plc's are a bunch of nest featherers!
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I wonder how many of BA's Captains - almost all of whom earn more than management, as Desk-pilot describes above - will voluntarily offer to sacrifice 20% or so of their salaries?
Airline pay scales are grossly distorted. A captain's duties are commensurate with those of a senior manager; and those of an FO the same as a junior one - and those are the pay scales that should be employed. Indeed, a CSD/Purser should be earning slightly more than an FO due to their greater levels of responsibility.
One of the more positive opportunities that this current economic situation presents is the ability for airlines to address these issues and hopefully drastically restucture airline cost bases in order to ensure that the industry is much leaner, meaner, fitter and stronger.
[ 28 September 2001: Message edited by: The Guvnor ]
Airline pay scales are grossly distorted. A captain's duties are commensurate with those of a senior manager; and those of an FO the same as a junior one - and those are the pay scales that should be employed. Indeed, a CSD/Purser should be earning slightly more than an FO due to their greater levels of responsibility.
One of the more positive opportunities that this current economic situation presents is the ability for airlines to address these issues and hopefully drastically restucture airline cost bases in order to ensure that the industry is much leaner, meaner, fitter and stronger.
[ 28 September 2001: Message edited by: The Guvnor ]
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Desk-pilot,
I've worked for BA for three and a half years and I've yet to meet a Captain on £140k. Remember please that BA have fewer pilots per aircraft than any other major international carrier AND we get paid less for doing more work.
I've worked for BA for three and a half years and I've yet to meet a Captain on £140k. Remember please that BA have fewer pilots per aircraft than any other major international carrier AND we get paid less for doing more work.
Good point Bigpants. If BA dump 400 Senior Managers it's still one per aircraft.
Desk-Pilot, I hope you're not posting from Waterworld when there's so much to be done.
Oops, sorry, a bit early for that, though many pilots will have been at work for hours by then.
Have you noticed that most Captains are also at least 35-40, and they did'nt get to start on £40k, and most don't earn over 80k.
Desk-Pilot, I hope you're not posting from Waterworld when there's so much to be done.
Oops, sorry, a bit early for that, though many pilots will have been at work for hours by then.
Have you noticed that most Captains are also at least 35-40, and they did'nt get to start on £40k, and most don't earn over 80k.
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Guv, although a captain may have the same day to day type of responsibilities as a senior manager, when the **** hits the fan at FL330 I would say that there is no way you could possibly compare the two !!!! You obviously spend far to long tapping away on PPrune. There is a world outside the computer you know....
As for the CSD getting paid more than the FO, that is just plain stupid. The FO has far more responsibility than anyone back in the cabin. For one, they are trained PROFESSIONALS (unlike cabin crew - it doesn't take a great deal of nouce to open a door and direct people down a slide) and for another they are 2IC in every ops manual I've ever worked to. (after the skipper).
Then again, anyone who whinges about pilots salaries is usually just jealous - because it's something they can't do themselves.
Desk Pilot- I really wish it was £140k pa.
Obviously there's something in the air at Waterworld that distorts the mind ....
As for the CSD getting paid more than the FO, that is just plain stupid. The FO has far more responsibility than anyone back in the cabin. For one, they are trained PROFESSIONALS (unlike cabin crew - it doesn't take a great deal of nouce to open a door and direct people down a slide) and for another they are 2IC in every ops manual I've ever worked to. (after the skipper).
Then again, anyone who whinges about pilots salaries is usually just jealous - because it's something they can't do themselves.
Desk Pilot- I really wish it was £140k pa.
Obviously there's something in the air at Waterworld that distorts the mind ....
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Indeed, a CSD/Purser should be earning slightly more than an FO due to their greater levels of responsibility
Look at the training involved to get to there.
But Ok then, just make sure that, as soon as the Captain leaves the ship, and puts the FO in charge, that the meter starts counting Captain pay for the FO.
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Guv
You should stop drinking that grog that obviously makes talk silly.
Where do you buy the stuff ??
Where do you find the time ? I keep bumping into your patronizing prose in basically every thread I dare to open. It's turning very very creepy you know ?
You should stop drinking that grog that obviously makes talk silly.
Where do you buy the stuff ??
Where do you find the time ? I keep bumping into your patronizing prose in basically every thread I dare to open. It's turning very very creepy you know ?
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Guv,
I actually think that you are a wind up merchant. No one in their right mind would think like you in this whole damned universe.
You're always on your own and you will always remain so.
I have never read a posting from you that made sense and you are terribly anti-pilot.
Why oh why do you choose to spend your entire life on this forum, just to kick out at flight crew is beyond comprehension.
You really are one sad idiotic case.
I actually think that you are a wind up merchant. No one in their right mind would think like you in this whole damned universe.
You're always on your own and you will always remain so.
I have never read a posting from you that made sense and you are terribly anti-pilot.
Why oh why do you choose to spend your entire life on this forum, just to kick out at flight crew is beyond comprehension.
You really are one sad idiotic case.
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One point missed by the Guvnor in the Purser-F/O debate is that money, like it or not, is representative of power. There are airlines, (of the two-tiered variety) that do have pursers being paid more than F/Os. In a necessarily hierarchical environment, this has led to misconceptions of power, with questionable results.
Guv,
Your comment that CSD's/Pursers pay should be more than a FO's is one of the most ridiculous comments I have seen for a while.
The Purser may well be at the coal face when it comes to dealing with the pax and presenting the company image etc. (A job I would not like to do for all the tea in China). But even on a normal sector a civil aircraft needs 2 pilots, they may not be that busy all the time but throw in a snag and some crap weather and then ask the 150 punters down the back who has the most responsible job!
Your comment that CSD's/Pursers pay should be more than a FO's is one of the most ridiculous comments I have seen for a while.
The Purser may well be at the coal face when it comes to dealing with the pax and presenting the company image etc. (A job I would not like to do for all the tea in China). But even on a normal sector a civil aircraft needs 2 pilots, they may not be that busy all the time but throw in a snag and some crap weather and then ask the 150 punters down the back who has the most responsible job!
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One point missed by the Guvnor is that money very often seems to be seen as the equivalent of power. In airlines (mostly of the two-tiered variety)where senior pursers do earn more than junior F/Os, this has led to misconceptions of power - with questionable results.
Of course this must not be the ultimate argument for the payscales being 'upside up' but at least it will have to be treated as a reality.
Of course this must not be the ultimate argument for the payscales being 'upside up' but at least it will have to be treated as a reality.
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Guv,
I was starting to believe that one or 2 things you mentioned had credibility and was reasoned arguement. However, your comment regarding pay/responsibility between FOs/CSDs has destroyed this conception completely. It is obvious now that you have absolutely no idea.
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I was starting to believe that one or 2 things you mentioned had credibility and was reasoned arguement. However, your comment regarding pay/responsibility between FOs/CSDs has destroyed this conception completely. It is obvious now that you have absolutely no idea.
B clam