mytravel pilot loses appeal
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Have to agree with the above.
Rules are rules.
I wonder how many other captains have made the same decision as him in the past though...
Also sorry if it has been covered... but who 'dobbed' him in?
Rules are rules.
I wonder how many other captains have made the same decision as him in the past though...
Also sorry if it has been covered... but who 'dobbed' him in?
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Reading these posts it seems about 50:50 on Pablos side or the other side, I would be interested to see the split if we knew who had operated with Pablo, who knew anything of his history in the RAF/MYT, who was an airline pilot and who was nothing to do with the industry professionally, I suspect his supporters would be strongly in the last camp.
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Pablo ought to go to Netjets,since it is run by a load of Belge F16 guys!!!!!!!"
Well what action would they have seen?
As for joining the "top guns" at Netjets I think he would need more of that like another hole in his head. No he needs to look for a privately run A/C, where he would still be allowed to think and exercise some judgement.
Pablo ought to go to Netjets,since it is run by a load of Belge F16 guys!!!!!!!"
Well what action would they have seen?
As for joining the "top guns" at Netjets I think he would need more of that like another hole in his head. No he needs to look for a privately run A/C, where he would still be allowed to think and exercise some judgement.
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Pablo Mason ROCKS!
Right STOP right there! I have only just become aware that Pablo Mason who was suspended for allowing a footballer onto his flight deck (Yes I know ... catch up) was the same 'Pablo' who allowed me onto his flight deck (and before you start tut-tutting) it was before 9-11. It was only because of those Al-quiyeda (don't care if i've spelt it wrong either) prats that have caused these problems for aspiring pilots anyway. Thanks to that Bin-Ladin muppet I can't even go onto the flight deck with my hubby when he flies now. Anyway i'm waffling. I owe part of my passion for flying to Pablo, for giving me a chance to experience a life that until that moment I could have only dreamed about. He allowed me to see first hand about the beauty and grace that aircraft have.
I think that some pruners have been getting personal about him which I think is unfair especially if those people who haven't even met him and are just joining in on the attacks. Ok he may have broken a rule, but how many people haven't?
I would love to meet him again to say thank you. What an amazing man.
I think that some pruners have been getting personal about him which I think is unfair especially if those people who haven't even met him and are just joining in on the attacks. Ok he may have broken a rule, but how many people haven't?
I would love to meet him again to say thank you. What an amazing man.
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Oh god cut the fluffy bunny crap!
If you went back to 1990 and asked how many of his squadron would have been surprised that this had happened to him, the answer would have been close to zero. Pablo was a legend in his own mind who traded on a handlebar moustache and lived the "better to look good than be good" mantra throughout his career.
I have nothing to do with MYT but I guarantee that his sanction had nothing to do with a first offence. I do not wish Pablo ill will and feel for him and the stress that he and his family are under but even the most tolerant management have to put down a marker sometime. His actions over the last 20 odd years lead to this outcome, not some heavy handed management rule.
Hopefully he will take a look at himself in the mirror, recognise his mistake, pick himself up and get on with his life. If he does that he can be an asset to another employer.
If you went back to 1990 and asked how many of his squadron would have been surprised that this had happened to him, the answer would have been close to zero. Pablo was a legend in his own mind who traded on a handlebar moustache and lived the "better to look good than be good" mantra throughout his career.
I have nothing to do with MYT but I guarantee that his sanction had nothing to do with a first offence. I do not wish Pablo ill will and feel for him and the stress that he and his family are under but even the most tolerant management have to put down a marker sometime. His actions over the last 20 odd years lead to this outcome, not some heavy handed management rule.
Hopefully he will take a look at himself in the mirror, recognise his mistake, pick himself up and get on with his life. If he does that he can be an asset to another employer.
worlds gone mad
the good old days of flying are long gone...as crew and as a pax.
(looks longingly at my my BOAC junior jet club log book sigh.......
and my caledonian airways boeing 707 boarding pass to palma signed by the captain as it was my jet flight and i sat in the seat behind for landing!)
thats what got me in the industry!
this poor chap capt pablo was on a private charter and lets in one of the players for a look see ... so what!
i hate the environment we are now in and i have sadly but thankfully left the aviation business after 35 years as i did not join it to be a ruddy SECURITY GUARD!!
having no wish to show a diservice to security guards but i am sorry after my love of aircraft, the crews, (and yes some of the passengers too are nice) after reading the posts here about this incident it only confirms to me why i have had to leave the business...
it sucks now due to the ghastly rules and hostile attitudes we now have to deal with on a daily basis iso of an enjoyable career which as many of you have said ALL STARTED WITH A FLIGHT DECK VISIT
lets put it in perspective here!
i was so mad at reading this and espesh at some of the posters here gloating away, sorry to be harsh but i cannot bear to see 2 faced commentaries.
the uk flightcrew industry has always been made of fantastic pilots and to assasinate this guy pubicly here as 'maverick' and a bad boy is appalling,
why dont you all now use your energy and promote and lobby the CAA to relax cockpit visits and lets start to recapture the best days of the industry if thats ever possible but unless we do its a lost cause isnt it and you will be dictated to for ever.
its now in free fall to the lowest depths ever imho
how many of you would be comfortable with offering flight deck visits to kids etc?
i wish we could poll this
the good old days of flying are long gone...as crew and as a pax.
(looks longingly at my my BOAC junior jet club log book sigh.......
and my caledonian airways boeing 707 boarding pass to palma signed by the captain as it was my jet flight and i sat in the seat behind for landing!)
thats what got me in the industry!
this poor chap capt pablo was on a private charter and lets in one of the players for a look see ... so what!
i hate the environment we are now in and i have sadly but thankfully left the aviation business after 35 years as i did not join it to be a ruddy SECURITY GUARD!!
having no wish to show a diservice to security guards but i am sorry after my love of aircraft, the crews, (and yes some of the passengers too are nice) after reading the posts here about this incident it only confirms to me why i have had to leave the business...
it sucks now due to the ghastly rules and hostile attitudes we now have to deal with on a daily basis iso of an enjoyable career which as many of you have said ALL STARTED WITH A FLIGHT DECK VISIT
lets put it in perspective here!
i was so mad at reading this and espesh at some of the posters here gloating away, sorry to be harsh but i cannot bear to see 2 faced commentaries.
the uk flightcrew industry has always been made of fantastic pilots and to assasinate this guy pubicly here as 'maverick' and a bad boy is appalling,
why dont you all now use your energy and promote and lobby the CAA to relax cockpit visits and lets start to recapture the best days of the industry if thats ever possible but unless we do its a lost cause isnt it and you will be dictated to for ever.
its now in free fall to the lowest depths ever imho
how many of you would be comfortable with offering flight deck visits to kids etc?
i wish we could poll this
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That was the best blog on the subject I have read so far!!Pablo's problems of over exuberance were,it seems,the main problem,and this incident was the final straw.However,the relationship with passengers has been lost for ever,as allowing them up front on a normal farepaying flights does not bode well for flight safety,with the possibility of one being a Numbskull fundamentalist!!We used to allow them up to the cockpit for the Take Off and Landing,especially during the Year of the Child telethon.We auctioned these positions,as did Air Traffic for descents and climbs,and provided several hundreds of pounds in Donations.The Roaring Lights of the Auroraborialis was another that we auctioned off to the passengers.If the Law now prohibits this,then it is a great shame,but there we are.How many of us now really enjoy this job?We monitor a series of screens,and sit with 5 computers doing the job we used to love.Hand Flying is now a NO No!!!A friend of mine was threatened with "Swords and Medals" confrontation with the Boss,if he dared fly his 747 manually.Do Pilots get any respite from the boring drone of a several hours flight now,unless they wander down the cabin,and chat to the odd interested passenger,or chat with the cabin staff?Most Companies impose a No Chinwagging policy below 10,000 feet,except for checks,so this also can result in Tea and Biscuits .The spy in the Sky,which HR and other gnomes frequently monitor makes for a very boring existence.I can think of No other reason for letting off steam,especially if you have a Charter Flight,where everyone is known to each other in the cabin,and relations between Cockpit and Cabin would be a "Good Thing",to quote" 1066 and All that".We will be hung up on racks in the future and fed into the cockpit on rails,like Thunderbirds,and then put back on hooks after the job is done.Is this how future Airline Pilots will end up????
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No, don't think so ; the Thunderbirds needed to scramble to their crafts , therefore they needed the rails , to respond asap to somebody in dire need for International Rescue.
yes mr stoat yer dead right
sigh
i know, its all ghastly now...
i suppose when i think back to my days at BMA, then yes we had what some here describe as 'mavericks' maybe, did i feel unsafe though>? NO
as i put in one of my other posts about BMA and its viscounts,
we flew liverpool to palma on friday nights on summer charters,
(it took all night lol)
i could sit with the capt on the flight deck for t/o, always usually,
he came down the cabin later in the (long) cruise and chatted to all the passengers and then he had his dinner in the empty last row !
(cries into my porridge)
where are we now eh?
i know we can all be nostalgic and blurry misty eyed (we all loved steam trains too) BUT it isnt that long ago this all was stopped.
you guys as pilots could put your foot down and say enough is enough and reown your skills and qualities and then maybe we rekindle something which if we lose now we lose forever.
as i said in my previous post i wish we could poll this.
a nasty thought is that you will all end up like tube train drivers on automatic, and not airline pilots.
i know, its all ghastly now...
i suppose when i think back to my days at BMA, then yes we had what some here describe as 'mavericks' maybe, did i feel unsafe though>? NO
as i put in one of my other posts about BMA and its viscounts,
we flew liverpool to palma on friday nights on summer charters,
(it took all night lol)
i could sit with the capt on the flight deck for t/o, always usually,
he came down the cabin later in the (long) cruise and chatted to all the passengers and then he had his dinner in the empty last row !
(cries into my porridge)
where are we now eh?
i know we can all be nostalgic and blurry misty eyed (we all loved steam trains too) BUT it isnt that long ago this all was stopped.
you guys as pilots could put your foot down and say enough is enough and reown your skills and qualities and then maybe we rekindle something which if we lose now we lose forever.
as i said in my previous post i wish we could poll this.
a nasty thought is that you will all end up like tube train drivers on automatic, and not airline pilots.
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rog747 & FAStoat
2 good posts, with sanity prevailing.
Agreed, lobby the CAA, MP's and anyone else we can think of. Why just roll over and accept stupidity?
As someone pointed out in one of the previous posts regarding this unfortunate business. "I was only following orders..." was heard at the Nurnberg war trials on many occasion.
God save me from Robots please.
2 good posts, with sanity prevailing.
Agreed, lobby the CAA, MP's and anyone else we can think of. Why just roll over and accept stupidity?
As someone pointed out in one of the previous posts regarding this unfortunate business. "I was only following orders..." was heard at the Nurnberg war trials on many occasion.
God save me from Robots please.
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Errr, so this thread has now got to the point of comparing nazi war tribunals with Pablos' antics!! Come on, grow up.
Whether we like it or not, our livelihood is governed by the CAA and a large framework of rules. Many of us in the industry DO NOT agree with a large percentage of the rules, BUT they are here to stay. You can lobby the CAA/ Government/ Uncle Tom Cobblys grandmother all you like. It won't make a blind bit of difference.
Many on this website sit at their desk and think about flying as it was 30 years ago. It has changed along with many other industries, not always for the better, but it HAS changed.
We pilots, although on here we now seem to represent a minority, still have to make a living and if that means sticking to the rules then so be it. I can't see many accountants and such like making up their own rules and expecting to get away with it. Unfortunately rules are a sad addition to modern life. If, as a pilot you wish to fly with a minimum of rules, then go to Africa. There you can have minimum rules, along with minimum safety standards and a few more crashes per year than here. You pays your money etc.
As I said many pages ago, if you do not work for MYT then how in gods name can you ask for him to be reinstated. The man is not a living legend, he is a walking nightmare for many that have to work alongside him. He broke rules many times. Ergo he knew he would have to face the consequences. This WAS the final straw. Therefore he has to find alternative employment. It doesn't matter whether the company in question was MYT or Tescos. The employment contract is still the same.
Whether we like it or not, our livelihood is governed by the CAA and a large framework of rules. Many of us in the industry DO NOT agree with a large percentage of the rules, BUT they are here to stay. You can lobby the CAA/ Government/ Uncle Tom Cobblys grandmother all you like. It won't make a blind bit of difference.
Many on this website sit at their desk and think about flying as it was 30 years ago. It has changed along with many other industries, not always for the better, but it HAS changed.
We pilots, although on here we now seem to represent a minority, still have to make a living and if that means sticking to the rules then so be it. I can't see many accountants and such like making up their own rules and expecting to get away with it. Unfortunately rules are a sad addition to modern life. If, as a pilot you wish to fly with a minimum of rules, then go to Africa. There you can have minimum rules, along with minimum safety standards and a few more crashes per year than here. You pays your money etc.
As I said many pages ago, if you do not work for MYT then how in gods name can you ask for him to be reinstated. The man is not a living legend, he is a walking nightmare for many that have to work alongside him. He broke rules many times. Ergo he knew he would have to face the consequences. This WAS the final straw. Therefore he has to find alternative employment. It doesn't matter whether the company in question was MYT or Tescos. The employment contract is still the same.
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This nostalgia's all well & good, I have great memories as a child visiting the cockpit for take off, landing etc. However it's a vastly different world today. I think there are many, many more threats out there to flight safety than there ever were, terrorists apart. With the drinking/charter culture as it is now, it will never be as safe it was and therefore, for me, cockpit security is sadly a necessary evil nowadays. Way too many horror stories from flights all over the place to make me feel happy about an open door policy, even if it is a selective one.