mytravel pilot loses appeal
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I went to my opticians last week and got into a conversation with the receptionist about holidays. I was suprised when she said she had been allowed on to the flightdeck of a MYT aircraft whilst enroute to Jamaica!!
I have no reason to believe she was not telling me the truth. Is this wide spead at MYT?
I have no reason to believe she was not telling me the truth. Is this wide spead at MYT?
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It certainly isn't -and if t'management hear of any, those concerned can expect to find themselves down the jobcentre with Pablo. As wiggi rightly says, silly rules but regrettably non-negotiable.
And I agree 100% with oilhead's post. Fitting a secure and locked flt deck door raises major security issues if there is no means to defend the flight deck. A European equivalent to the Federal Flt Deck Officer programme must surely be a priority.
And I agree 100% with oilhead's post. Fitting a secure and locked flt deck door raises major security issues if there is no means to defend the flight deck. A European equivalent to the Federal Flt Deck Officer programme must surely be a priority.
"He will get snapped up by a quality operator if he so wishes"
I very much doubt it.
I very much doubt it.
Long before 11/9 I rethought FD visits after, at 50ft on finals to a Greek island, a Northern 
slapped me on the shoulder and said "Dost tha know where tha's goin', pilot?" 
slapped me on the shoulder and said "Dost tha know where tha's goin', pilot?"
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If you read between the lines or know somone in MYT you might come to the conclusion that the Cpt in question was a PA hogging legend in his own lifetime. The management chose to sack a Captain for a minor/
medium error says volumes.
AP
medium error says volumes.
AP
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Let's stop lynching the guy. 
For those of us who love to fly, many of us would jump at the opportunity to help someone overcome their fear of flying. Pablo was doing just that on the chartered flight. No better place than the cockpit.
As the PIC he made a huge mistake and because the post 9/11 SOPS are in place, he's been made the poster child for breaking them. I have a feeling Pablo will be on board with another outfit soon.
When one door closes, another one opens...
**By the way, there's a pilot for Frontier Airlines that heads classes for those with a fear of flying. They use actual a/c and take them into the flight deck to educate them more on the noises that correspond with the pilot's actions. She's seen great success and said this type of awareness is key to over coming it.
Pablo is on the right track.
For those of us who love to fly, many of us would jump at the opportunity to help someone overcome their fear of flying. Pablo was doing just that on the chartered flight. No better place than the cockpit.
As the PIC he made a huge mistake and because the post 9/11 SOPS are in place, he's been made the poster child for breaking them. I have a feeling Pablo will be on board with another outfit soon.
When one door closes, another one opens...
**By the way, there's a pilot for Frontier Airlines that heads classes for those with a fear of flying. They use actual a/c and take them into the flight deck to educate them more on the noises that correspond with the pilot's actions. She's seen great success and said this type of awareness is key to over coming it.
Pablo is on the right track.
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I just love all this talk about how Pablo is supposedly much better off than having to work for MYT and how he is about to find a better job with a "quality operator" who appreciates his many talents. GET REAL!!! The guy is sitting at home, wishing he could have another chance to do it properly this time around, knowing with his track record it's going to be quite a while before ANY operator gives him a chance. How on earth is he going to explain his actions at an interview? Taking the moral high ground is hardly going to make up for foolish mistakes of the past or put food on the table. I'm sure Pablo is well aware of this by now!
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But on the Private Flying forum he said
Hey Flap 80 seems you practice double standards or is it just that you are a hypocrite or perhaps those Big Flaps have gone to your head?
Unfortunate experience for the gentleman involved but this day and age the opportunities for a maverick to buck the system are negligible in Civil aviation. May well have not been the case in a Tornado at 500kt and 100ft but I wish the adaptability that Pablo saw to enhance his survival in Iraq could have been brought over to Civil aviation. The FO,irrespective of his experience would have been feeling uncomfortable at this breach of Company procedures. How easy it would have been for Pablo,mindful of the PR advantages in flying the football team, to have sought approval prior to take of both with MYT and HIS CREW prior to taking such a Cavalier step. All this gunk about nervous pax needing to visit the F/deck just does not wash.
regards
Capt 20,000hrs P1 Jet 12,000
regards
Capt 20,000hrs P1 Jet 12,000
Saying how many hours you have logged without being asked is akin to boasting about the size of your wallet.
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As for boasting about hours, there is always someone around with that little bit more.
Hmm.... 20,000 hours. No big deal, expecially when the autopilot has flown a good percentage of that.
I know of one individual who has in access of 30,000 hours and never been near an autopilot in his life!
Hmm.... 20,000 hours. No big deal, expecially when the autopilot has flown a good percentage of that.
I know of one individual who has in access of 30,000 hours and never been near an autopilot in his life!
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Does it matter anymore.its done , hes fired, weve pontificated, the rule still stands.
Let move on.
Im sure pablo is too busy writing a book or heroically helping fear of flyers, for free of course, to give a toss what we think.
Let move on.
Im sure pablo is too busy writing a book or heroically helping fear of flyers, for free of course, to give a toss what we think.
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i am sure he will make a fortune on a cargo route somewhere .less chance of getting into trouble me thinks. So all the people pontificating have never broken an SOP ?????? problem is breaking a very visible SOP he got caught.. he sounds like a maverick.
Would be interesting to see what the F/O's that fly with him feel, do they learn something from his vast and wide and differing experiences or do they feel over shadowed ? I am hoping its option number one i am sure someone like this delivers a lot of wise words to those less experienced...Sometimes those who are different in our profession make it interesting, make us all sit back and think a bit more and challenge the common perception. Not saying what he did was right, but lets not nail someone to the preverbial cross because they are not an SOP following automotan
Would be interesting to see what the F/O's that fly with him feel, do they learn something from his vast and wide and differing experiences or do they feel over shadowed ? I am hoping its option number one i am sure someone like this delivers a lot of wise words to those less experienced...Sometimes those who are different in our profession make it interesting, make us all sit back and think a bit more and challenge the common perception. Not saying what he did was right, but lets not nail someone to the preverbial cross because they are not an SOP following automotan
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Basil
Just for you.
Have a look in here - personal - fixed wing pilots.
Not too much "P51 time" there sonny.
Now back to the thread topic.
Mr. Pablo
As has been mentioned, you would be better off in a corporate outfit, where your skills would be paraded as and asset, not a hindrance. Need to get in with the right sort of private operation, where there is still room for initiative and the crews are allowed to think for themselves, not to mention a better class of pax. Well Robby Savage? Drunk and aggressive bucket and spades? Flying your backside off, at your age? Not for me anymore, thank you very much.
Treat getting the boot from MYT as a blessing in disguise.
All the best for the future. I salute you.
Just for you.
Have a look in here - personal - fixed wing pilots.
Not too much "P51 time" there sonny.
Now back to the thread topic.
Mr. Pablo
As has been mentioned, you would be better off in a corporate outfit, where your skills would be paraded as and asset, not a hindrance. Need to get in with the right sort of private operation, where there is still room for initiative and the crews are allowed to think for themselves, not to mention a better class of pax. Well Robby Savage? Drunk and aggressive bucket and spades? Flying your backside off, at your age? Not for me anymore, thank you very much.
Treat getting the boot from MYT as a blessing in disguise.
All the best for the future. I salute you.
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It may seem clever to strip down to your underpants to go through security at BHX and to break company rules by allowing a pax on the flight deck but the signal it sends to the travelling public via the tabloids is not one any responsible public transport pilot should be encouraging. Being a nice guy and a bit of a character is not an excuse for un professional behaviour.
I am all for a bit of a laugh and have been described out of work as a bit of a lunatic in my younger days but I always modified my behaviour in uniform to fall in line with the standards that the industry and the travelling public expect (I hope anyway)
I do however wish Pablo all the best for the future
I am all for a bit of a laugh and have been described out of work as a bit of a lunatic in my younger days but I always modified my behaviour in uniform to fall in line with the standards that the industry and the travelling public expect (I hope anyway)
I do however wish Pablo all the best for the future
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Some of us still aren't getting this yet, are we?
The locked door policy is NOT SOP. It is a Government directive, and therefore LAW. It cannot ever be subject to exceptions.
Stripping off in "security" is a stunt and in no way comparable with this matter.
An equivalent to this based on an objection to security search would be the pilot in question climbing over the perimeter fence and accessing his aircraft that way, and then lamely trying to excuse his irresponsibility by claiming he had a "famous" passenger on board who no one had ever heard of and she was scared of mice.
I'd be surprised if the reaction to that would be anything but ridicule and utterly negative - what else could it be? but remain bewildered why it isn't the same here. Cos there a'int no difference.
The locked door policy is NOT SOP. It is a Government directive, and therefore LAW. It cannot ever be subject to exceptions.
Stripping off in "security" is a stunt and in no way comparable with this matter.
An equivalent to this based on an objection to security search would be the pilot in question climbing over the perimeter fence and accessing his aircraft that way, and then lamely trying to excuse his irresponsibility by claiming he had a "famous" passenger on board who no one had ever heard of and she was scared of mice.
I'd be surprised if the reaction to that would be anything but ridicule and utterly negative - what else could it be? but remain bewildered why it isn't the same here. Cos there a'int no difference.
