mytravel pilot loses appeal
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I was waiting to go through Security when he did his trouser stunt. To be honest he just looked a D**khead rather than a professional pilot or in fact a professional anything. All he managed to achieve was to delay people who had a job to do from getting there.
He did have the attitude that he was untouchable....Well you can't be right all of the time.
He did have the attitude that he was untouchable....Well you can't be right all of the time.
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Wasn't it a government directive that metal cutlery etc. was not to be allowed on any flight whatsoever? Haven't they just relaxed this same directive?
Leave the guy alone. Its only jealousy on the part of the ATPL's who didn't get to meet Savage(?) themselves.
If Pablo was a friend of yours, would you be slagging him off in such a manner? Thought not.
Leave the guy alone. Its only jealousy on the part of the ATPL's who didn't get to meet Savage(?) themselves.
If Pablo was a friend of yours, would you be slagging him off in such a manner? Thought not.
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Is it only in the UK and the USA that its a law against cockpit visits ???
Just asking as spent a lot of time up front when flying back and forth to Orlando to do my flight training.... found it very helpfull to see what the job realy entails..... Hope that one day it will come back in some form or another, maybe as pre booked and cleared ..........
Just asking as spent a lot of time up front when flying back and forth to Orlando to do my flight training.... found it very helpfull to see what the job realy entails..... Hope that one day it will come back in some form or another, maybe as pre booked and cleared ..........
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Poor Pablo!!
Sorry chaps,but as someone who is now out of the loop,what happens to DeadHeadding or Jump seat trips these days?I somehow think those of you are correct ,that he was booted for a series of misdemenours,and that the Cockpit Door was the excuse especially as it is meant to be the law,according to the useless Gov.co.uk!!!!There are times when it is beneficial to have pax come up to the cockpit-not to mention other Pilots travelling with you giving you facts and figures on what is going on elsewhere?What about the DC10 which lost its outboard engine and a Training Captain flying as pax went into the Cockpit to help the eventual crash landing,as he had done it in the Sim,as far as I can remember?Pablo ought to go to Netjets,since it is run by a load of Belge F16 guys!!!!!!!!There are times when Doors and Panels,release of liquid etc are seen by pax,and there is not a Cabin Attendant handy to report it to,when a polite knock on the door will bring it to the attention of the crew.I remember such a case saved an aeroplane,when watermeth was seen streaming from a nacelle,and we diverted back to Jersey to have the Tank straps broken and a nasty incident prevented.Pax can be much more savvy than some of the Flight Attendants that I have flown with.
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While it is understandable that you guys would assume our government applies common sense before introducing new regulations, it is now abundantly clear that they don't. The fact that our security regulations are now the most rigorous in the world suggests they are over the top, and hence some captains will consider they can break them when it suits them.
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There are times when it is beneficial to have pax come up to the cockpit-not to mention other Pilots travelling with you giving you facts and figures on what is going on elsewhere?
Pax can be much more savvy than some of the Flight Attendants that I have flown with.
Kegworth for instance, keep attacking Stoat,
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The locked door policy is NOT SOP. It is a Government directive, and therefore LAW. It cannot ever be subject to exceptions.
It may be Dept of Transport advice / directive / whatever, but i'm 99% that it isn't a law.
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Chocks away again... 
It all depends how the CC have been trained and what their view of the commander is... I make sure that mine know it's OK to come to me with any concern at all, and in non-normals I brief them - in detail - about what I want to know and when.
Anyhow, if the pax are more savvy, how are they going to get a message to the flight deck crew, other than via our colleagues in the cabin?
Doh.
It all depends how the CC have been trained and what their view of the commander is... I make sure that mine know it's OK to come to me with any concern at all, and in non-normals I brief them - in detail - about what I want to know and when.
Anyhow, if the pax are more savvy, how are they going to get a message to the flight deck crew, other than via our colleagues in the cabin?
Doh.
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Cabin crew tend to work not look out the window! Inflight we don't get that luxury that FD do.
PS word is Pablo was known for not like being told what he can and can't do. The flight deck is now a locked door end off! Don't bend the rules!
PS word is Pablo was known for not like being told what he can and can't do. The flight deck is now a locked door end off! Don't bend the rules!
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malc4d,
No mate, not just US and UK. Indeed prior to 11 Sep. 2001, it still was not just USA - there were other sterile-flight-deck countries (eg. Canada, Philippines). There are now just many more.
There are probably still some countries where it might be allowed, but they're the exception rather than the rule.
I miss it too...
No mate, not just US and UK. Indeed prior to 11 Sep. 2001, it still was not just USA - there were other sterile-flight-deck countries (eg. Canada, Philippines). There are now just many more.
There are probably still some countries where it might be allowed, but they're the exception rather than the rule.
I miss it too...
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Why do you want to jump down my throat?I did not even mention Kegworth.In my time in Aviation,which I believe is considerately more than yours,I have only infrequently met a member of the Cabin Staff ,who had the remotest idea on aerodynamics,area rule,let alone panels,seals,fluids creating vortices etc.Anyway,we were discussing Pablo's misdemeanour,and his subsequent punishment,together with the bland Gov.uk rule of locking the Flight Deck Door,and reasons not to have it,thus getting back to the days when Pablo's actions were not Flight Safety threatening.-Were 'nt we!!!????Have some more caffein!
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I think it should stay the way it is.. a locked door!
PS why would cabin crew need to know the above????
PS why would cabin crew need to know the above????
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pablo mason/hero or villain?
There are aguments for and against the case against Capt Mason, personally I think that he did the wrong thing but with the best of intentions! I say this because no matter what the situation, the only people that really need to be in a flight deck are the crew. It may seem that this is a harsh view point, but who knows who you are on-board with nowadays!!!! Even Mr.Savage may be a threat to security- as mere citizens, who are we to know.
But then when looking back, having been lucky enough in the past to sit up front for many flights, it is dissapointing that this is not possible anymore, but then as a passenger, i think i feel safer knowing that the door is locked and only the pilots have access o the controls.
From a passenger point of view it is very disconcerting to see an "alien" entering the flight deck after 9/11, as you are unsure of who they are!
But then when looking back, having been lucky enough in the past to sit up front for many flights, it is dissapointing that this is not possible anymore, but then as a passenger, i think i feel safer knowing that the door is locked and only the pilots have access o the controls.
From a passenger point of view it is very disconcerting to see an "alien" entering the flight deck after 9/11, as you are unsure of who they are!