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SAS Q400 gear collaps CPH 27/10

Old 28th Oct 2007, 17:30
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Wonder what will happen with their frames.. museums? restaurants? scrap metal? Sell them to Africa/South America?

Indeed a major blow for Bombardier

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Old 28th Oct 2007, 17:59
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Alexmcfire: Why do you think Wideroe also will dump their 100/300? Why should they? 100/300 is a totally different aircraft, other type of landing gear system ++++.... And there is no option for the short runways we are operating from.
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:00
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As far as I know, another two in Japan involving All Nippon (2004 and 2006).
IIRC the ANA incidents both relate to a separate issue with the NLG failing to deploy correctly due to incorrect assembly which seems to have been resolved
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:11
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Wonder what will happen with their frames.. museums? restaurants? scrap metal? Sell them to Africa/South America?
I would think inspected then reconditioned, repainted and sold/leased to N.American or European operator's.

Why should they? 100/300 is a totally different aircraft
To a passenger, a Dash-8 is a Dash-8 is a Dash-8 so I wouldn't think that it's totally out of the question to consider getting rid of all their DHC-8 airframes. I don't think that the negative publicity is anywhere near as bad outside of the Scandinavian countries as it is within.
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:21
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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071028/turbo...ions.html?.v=4
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:21
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I bet bmi regional are glad SAS dont own shares in the group anymore. What's the penalty for pulling out of a signed order these days???
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:22
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I wouldn't think it's totally out of the question that they may get rid of all DHC-8 airframes
Since there is no real alternative to the Dash for WIF on the regional STOL airports in Norway, they will not sell them. When other airlines tried to use Do-228s, the passengers complained about comfort and safety. (I agree, flying the D0-228 in (not above...) typical arctic weather was not fun)

Bold line the SAS board is taking
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Is this just an excuse to cut back due to a slow down in the economy as opposed to a real risk? Sounds a bit like clever PR as opposed to a sensible reaction to a series of (possibly unrelated) issues with the Dash's MLG
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Mrs HAC is not a good flyer, which is a problem as we live on an island and regularly travel to London. She lost a lot of sleep worrying about flying on FlyBe's Q400s after the September accidents. Her alternative is another Dash8, a -200, to London City which she admits she cannot do on her own. (The arrival is somewhat abrupt!) She travels at least once a month sometimes solo down, but I have to go down later and accompany her back.

I know from talking about this with colleagues and friends her fear of flying is not unique, and the action by SAS to dump their aircraft will have an impact on these people.

And no way will I ever sit in a row by the propellers....
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:38
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Bombardier's latest press release

Bombardier Statement Regarding The Sas Decision On Its Q400 Aircraft Fleet

Toronto, October 28, 2007

Bombardier is disappointed with the SAS decision to permanently discontinue flight operations with the Bombardier Q400 aircraft given that the landing incident is still under investigation by Danish authorities.

While SAS chose to ground its Q400 turboprop fleet following the incident on October 27, 2007, Bombardier’s assessment of this situation, in consultation with Transport Canada, did not identify a systemic landing gear issue. Based on this we advised all Q400 aircraft operators that they should continue with normal Q400 aircraft flight operations. Further, Bombardier and the landing gear manufacturer, Goodrich, have completed a full review of the Q400 turboprop landing gear system and results have confirmed its safe design and operational integrity.

Bombardier stands behind the Q400 aircraft. Since entering revenue service in February 2000, the Q400 turboprop has proven itself to be a safe and reliable aircraft with over 150 Q400 aircraft in operation among 22 operators around the world. To date, the fleet of Q400 aircraft has logged over one million flying hours and 1.2 million take-off and landing cycles.
Good positive stuff!
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Further, Bombardier and the landing gear manufacturer, Goodrich, have completed a full review of the Q400 turboprop landing gear system and results have confirmed its safe design and operational integrity
Recent events would seem to contradict that!
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:43
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To date, the fleet of Q400 aircraft has logged over one million flying hours and 1.2 million take-off and landing cycles

Note they keep quiet about how many accidents and hull losses though!
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:44
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I fly on the Q400 regularly for work reasons and will continue to do so. (Not sure I would fly with SAS)
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:54
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Good positive stuff!
Yeah, right.
Only one million hours?
And something between four and seven "incidents" (the media are still waiting for the fireball).
What happened to "ten to the minus six"? I don't even dare to mention "ten to the minus nine".
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 19:01
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I donīt think itīs an "excuse" to cut back due to a slow down in the economy. In SAS the Q4 stands for a big deal of departures in and to/from scandinavia. I heard a figure of 20-30% of all SAS traffic from Copenhagen. I think this decision is based on many years with problems and that it should be very hard to convince pax to fly Q4.
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 19:26
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F_Hercules,

Yep you're probably right, just wishful thinking on my part.
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 20:23
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Safe to fly SAS?

I have been a pilot in SAS for the last 10 years, one of them on the Q400.
I have had more technical problems in that year, than in the others put together. (DC9, MD80)
I have also previously worked with some other European airlines( none major), and would argue that safety awerness and technical standard in SAS is very good, apart from the standard on the Q400.

Do anyone really beleive that SAS has particulary bad technicians on the Q400?, none of SAS`s fleet of B737, A319,320,321,330,340, MD80, and F50 have any grave tech. problems, why only the Q400??

SAS have had continous problems with these AC since they were delivered, and I agree on the decision to get rid of them.
At the same time I am concerned that SAS will use the recent events to introduce AC, from daughter companys on the Q400 route network, therby creating a pilot surplus in the main carrier.

I don`t think anyone has good reason to be worried about flying SAS, at least not now, after this AC is not with the company anymore.
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 20:24
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I fly on the Q400 regularly for work reasons and will continue to do so. (Not sure I would fly with SAS)
Is there a logic behind that statement
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 20:45
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If you have been a pilot in SAS for the last 10 years, why have you been working with some other European airlines lately?
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I fly on the Q400 regularly for work reasons and will continue to do so. (Not sure I would fly with SAS)

Is there a logic behind that statement?
It seems unusual that a single airline would suffer from a similar fault 3 times in the space of a couple of months that apparently hasn't affected the rest of the worldwide fleet. Perhaps a better statement would be that I would fly in the Q400 quite happily, but would want to know why this issue was affecting a particular airlines' fleet. Is it, as has been suggested, the deicing fluids, different SOPs from other airlines, different conditions from other airlines?
As for logic, SAE, Quantas, Flybaboo and other operators seem to have had no serious problems with their fleet, so given a choice I think I'd rather fly with them for the time being thanks (although not sure how useful Quantas are going to be commuting around Europe)
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