"Terror In The Skies" ITV 4th June
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Bruppy... I have carried a camera to work for years and never had a problem. I do however know at BHX you are not allowed to use them airside unless you have written permission from the airport.
Maybe these ICTS employees were ultra vigilant that day compared to the thousands of times I have passed through staff gate with said camera, but if what you say is true how many mobile phones are there these days that dont have a camera on them???????????
Maybe these ICTS employees were ultra vigilant that day compared to the thousands of times I have passed through staff gate with said camera, but if what you say is true how many mobile phones are there these days that dont have a camera on them???????????
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Airport security staff suspended
Sixteen security staff have been suspended from work at a UK airport after a television documentary revealed serious security lapses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/6729013.stm
Sixteen security staff have been suspended from work at a UK airport after a television documentary revealed serious security lapses.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/6729013.stm
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When I read all this and after hearing stories from colleagues having to remove shoes and having packs of yogurt confiscated, I'm just sooooooo happy to be based outside the UK!
Having lived and worked in both countries I can honestly say that Brits are more German than the Germans when it comes to blindly following stupid orders.
Signs ("watch your step") and stupid rules (no 'liquid bombs' larger than 100ml) everywhere in an effort to cover up the total lack of intelligence, common sense and flexibility.
What has happened to the British spirit of sailing the seas and exploring the world?
Having lived and worked in both countries I can honestly say that Brits are more German than the Germans when it comes to blindly following stupid orders.
Signs ("watch your step") and stupid rules (no 'liquid bombs' larger than 100ml) everywhere in an effort to cover up the total lack of intelligence, common sense and flexibility.
What has happened to the British spirit of sailing the seas and exploring the world?
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WRT Lotman's post (#34), surely the matter of what "weapons" the 9/11 hijackers brought on board is a red herring. The hijackers were successful not because they wielded boxcutters or whatever but because they employed a tactic that was totally unprecedented, namely personally taking over the flight controls. I believe the crews of the two aircraft that hit the World Trade Center offered little or no resistance in the belief that, as in the majority of previous hijackings, the situation would be resolved on the ground. How could they have imagined the hijackers were suicidal fanatics? No doubt it was a different story on the other two flights but there the crews had some forewarning.
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I believe the crews of the two aircraft that hit the World Trade Center offered little or no resistance in the belief that, as in the majority of previous hijackings, the situation would be resolved on the ground. How could they have imagined the hijackers were suicidal fanatics? No doubt it was a different story on the other two.
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I have worked in security for a southern international airport (and my partner still does) and what we saw on that programme shook us both. Please do not consider that all security staff are noxious weeds 
and like to play the mini hitlers that some posting believe. We are both (like our colleagues) concientious about our roles. The restraints we have are usually imposed on us by higher up the food chain. Most (by no means all) will try to act impartially for ALL people going through security. I am gratefull that the level of competency here outshines all that I saw on TV and I feel that anyone travelling through will be as sure as they could be that all is done to prevent any acts of terror. 
and like to play the mini hitlers that some posting believe. We are both (like our colleagues) concientious about our roles. The restraints we have are usually imposed on us by higher up the food chain. Most (by no means all) will try to act impartially for ALL people going through security. I am gratefull that the level of competency here outshines all that I saw on TV and I feel that anyone travelling through will be as sure as they could be that all is done to prevent any acts of terror.
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Paper Tiger,
Sorry, the acronym IIRC is one I don't know. But are you sure of your facts? I am open to correction but as far as I am aware, no one knows what exactly was the course of events on the two flights that hit the WTC.
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Sorry, the acronym IIRC is one I don't know. But are you sure of your facts? I am open to correction but as far as I am aware, no one knows what exactly was the course of events on the two flights that hit the WTC.
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Originally Posted by rockhound
Sorry, the acronym IIRC is one I don't know. But are you sure of your facts? I am open to correction but as far as I am aware, no one knows what exactly was the course of events on the two flights that hit the WTC.
Meaning I didn't check the facts, but I think that's what happened. The 9/11 report should have the details, but there was communication between some of the cabin crew and Ops. from both flights. I think (again) they said the pilots had been killed first.
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Statement from Birmingham International Airport:
"The Airport wishes to reassure passengers that its operations remain safe and secure and compliant with UK Government security requirements.
All passengers passing through Birmingham Airport are firstly screened by the Airport’s own security processes and these were not criticised by the programme.
ICTS are a third party contractor to a limited number of airlines. On receipt of information 17 days ago, an immediate investigation was launched by the Airport Company with all parties concerned. The behaviour of the ICTS staff featured on the programme is not acceptable and will not be tolerated at Birmingham Airport. Those ICTS staff involved have been suspended.
The Airport’s priority has always been the safety and security of its passengers and airline customers and it is confident that the actions already taken will assure passenger safety and security."
"The Airport wishes to reassure passengers that its operations remain safe and secure and compliant with UK Government security requirements.
All passengers passing through Birmingham Airport are firstly screened by the Airport’s own security processes and these were not criticised by the programme.
ICTS are a third party contractor to a limited number of airlines. On receipt of information 17 days ago, an immediate investigation was launched by the Airport Company with all parties concerned. The behaviour of the ICTS staff featured on the programme is not acceptable and will not be tolerated at Birmingham Airport. Those ICTS staff involved have been suspended.
The Airport’s priority has always been the safety and security of its passengers and airline customers and it is confident that the actions already taken will assure passenger safety and security."
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BHX Airport Statement
Its a shame that the statement doesn't say that they are so vigilant Airport Security will stop at nothing to prevent crew getting to the aircraft!
Twice this week I've been held at the securty screening area having to wait for an "Escort" because I'm a Manchester ID holder and going through on my own without a crew. A rule I've never had imposed at any other UK airport. Point in case operating thought LPL yesterday - no issues.
I don't know why BHX are such T@?:sers when it comes to almost everything! Their security has always been overbearing and inconsistent even before the latest "Liquid" threat.
Twice this week I've been held at the securty screening area having to wait for an "Escort" because I'm a Manchester ID holder and going through on my own without a crew. A rule I've never had imposed at any other UK airport. Point in case operating thought LPL yesterday - no issues.
I don't know why BHX are such T@?:sers when it comes to almost everything! Their security has always been overbearing and inconsistent even before the latest "Liquid" threat.
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Visited BHX a while back a nice ICTS chap at security issued me a peper visitors pass with my name on after checking my MAN airport id pass I wasn't searched and then walked straight onto the ramp(I was escorted by current BHX pass holder)
At the time I thought to myself what a joke...as it turns out some of them are a joke...
At the time I thought to myself what a joke...as it turns out some of them are a joke...
