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"Terror In The Skies" ITV 4th June

Old 4th Jun 2007, 21:05
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"Terror In The Skies" ITV 4th June

Thought I'd get in first and say that the leaders for this programme look fun. 'Security' staff asleep on the job and others missing scans while reading the paper.

Wonder if it'll have legs or prove to be sensationalist pap?


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Terrible

I cant believe what I watching here - I KNOW its a "Tonight" programme and thrives on sensationalism but how in heavens name has it taken a "undercover" reporter to find out what management must have already known about !

A truly awful set of working practices - I trust that the company no longer runs the security business or employs these people (particularly the one who admitted he had some "coke" for breakfast)
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 21:21
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Oh come on guys.
We all know that confiscating pilots toothpaste is the important thing here, it doesn't really matter what the passengers take through security does it !
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 21:35
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It's not surprising really is it? No doubt these folk are poorly paid and probably work on a "it'll never happen to me" basis. How wrong they could be. I've often thought how erratic it seems at Heathrow that some folk have to have their shoes put through the machine and others not. At the end of the day it's all down to probability - which of course it shouldn't be.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 21:38
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Taxied out past a Corsair 747 the other day at BHX that had the rossers crawling all over it with dogs etc.

Apparently somebody had broken into it and stolen all the duty free out of the bars!
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:03
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We all know that security is not what it might be. Question is, what needs to be done to balance security v passenger "satisfaction"? It's only a matter of time before something happens in UK skies, what will we be saying with hindsight in a year or so?
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:06
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Now that program IMHO proves that when the crew have to que with the pax when staff gate is closed.(not allowed to que jump) The BHX security are just doing it to jerk the crews off. Not for REASONS OF SECURITY
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:08
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Security is dumb

And just profile the individuals "working", bunch of unskilled semi-literate skivers. Not too many native English speakers either. BHX security stinks
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If I had tickets for the CO flight out of BHX tomorrow I'd be making sure my hotel bookings were easy to cancel. Because either the US TSA will turn it back, or there'll be about a hundred security people strip-searching everyone going on board. It'll be interesting to hear what BHX do to gloss over it. The claim the dodgy lot are secondary is odd, because if so, why have it?

Yes, Tonight is sensationalist and selective. But I'd be interested to hear _any_ justification for what was shown, even if there's a thousand counterbalancing cases of good practice. At best it might be that the on-camera hoodlums are boastful braggarts, but falsification of document audit trail is surely actionable?
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:14
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Staggering!!

Tell you what guys - since the liquid bomb threat my staff have been humping cases of drinks through remotely located 'out of guage' x-ray machines' doubling and trebling the cost and effort involved in staying in business ariside at an airport. Needn't have bothered - should just switch to selling Class A instead of food 'n beverage and I could take it through central search!

I laugh every time someone at BHX has a pop at us at Coventry - describing themselves as a 'real' airport. Well, chaps, it will certainly feel very real there tomorrow morning, I suspect.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:26
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quote "A truly awful set of working practices - I trust that the company no longer runs the security business or employs these people (particularly the one who admitted he had some "coke" for breakfast) "

After receiving this report the airport made large numbers of airport employed security employees redundant and gave ICTS the contract for the whole airport! I wonder how long they are going to keep it?
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:32
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Does it matter, lousy pay equals no commitment.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:34
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This programme has revealed what we all thought about these awful private security companies.

They employ individuals with criminal records and from the fringes of society, who are dealing in and smuggling drugs, they employ wholly unqualified, unsuitable, non-motivated staff who are mostly of low intelligence and cannot even be trained to a proper standard!
These individuals are airside staff, FFS!! Just goes to show what a nonsense the Disclosure Scotland vetting is.

There is no real management structure and as such a lack of authority, the management seem to be just as bad as the frontline staff and the persistant failure of audits without any resulting action by any authority is a dambing indication of the shambolic current state of aviation security in the UK.

The consequenses of the failings of these security firms is something that as professional pilots we are all too familiar with.
It is the lives of our passengers, fellow crew members and ultimately our own lives that these useless cretins couldn't give a to$$ about.

If I worked at BHX, mercifully I don't, then I would be having serious discussions with my airline and fellow staff about a vote of no confidence in the security at the airport and ultimately a boycott.
I certainly won't be carrying any rush bags for anyone that's for sure.

It's a disgrace guys, and its your lives and the lives of your families that are at risk here.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:35
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Its about time we followed the States on this.

We need a govenment security acency in place who pay well, it will never be right without it.

Id be happy paying more tax for it.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 22:50
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A programme funded by the Neocons? We need more security! Biometric everything. Free Daily Mails. I will certainly not be flying out of BHX tomorrow, FACT!
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 23:26
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So with a quick glance at this at the Panorama thread in the Mil forum, would I be correct in thinking that the PPRuNe consensus is that those pesky journos have actually for once put together a couple of factually correct, non-hysterical and important documentaries that actually have some public interest value?

Well there's a first time for everything. Credit where it's due.
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Old 4th Jun 2007, 23:48
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Cool

Well what would an external, thorough and thoroughly professional aviation security inspection team (possibly Governmental i.e. TSA in the U.S.) make of the profiles of the ICTS's mob of bone idle, worthless, useless, criminal,pond life, smackheaded scum, passing as security officers. The phrase '...not fit to scrape dogs**t off the bottom of curly-toed slippers' comes to mind.

As for that w****r who said he hoped that mornings' CO flight would blow up in mid-air, I'd like to see him strung up from a lamp post on he Solihull Express way.

In addition to pax profiling how about a bit of employee profiling?

As for the 'ethnicity' pinless hand grenade, the evidence is there in glorious technicolour detail. There's no denying it.

P.S. JFK Int'l Term. B and MAN T3 security staff are friendly, courteous and very thorough without being intrusive. How Avsec should be in these trying times.
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I have not actually seen the programme in question but have to ask, is it just BHX that has a problem or are there many more airports with similar problems? i had the displeasure of working in airport security before i became a commercial pilot and know how frustraiting the job can be. Is BHX just a one off case or is there a bigger picture?
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Old 5th Jun 2007, 07:15
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This traveller's response was to think that their can't actually be that much of a terrorist threat if they are willing to have a system that allows this sort of thing. Why should I be forced to carry an ID card, allow 90 day detention without trial, and so on for fear of terrorists if the obvious front line defence can be allowed to be this lax?
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Old 5th Jun 2007, 08:50
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Under cover filming

Out of interest, do security staff need to go through security themselves before starting work? I was wondering how the chap managed to get all the hidden camera equipment through a metal detector, and presumably body search?

Whilst it always goes for sensational headlines, I think this porgramme might have really got something right, and hope this makes people start to listen / look at what is really going on.

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