The "Crew Security" Thread (merged)
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So despite all the many moans not a bad letter with a reasoned response. As for the suggestion that the security staff are perverts and regularly assault crew or airport staff / passengers i have never heard such a load of tosh. Find something else to complain about.
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who exactly............. the many people here who have bothered to put their feelings on this site, a professional pilots web forum. Sure there will the odd rant, but like your response, 'balanced and reasoned'...........??
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Fly Ginger
You criticise aircrew screening as not being worthwhile, because pilot's have control of an aircraft full of fuel that in a worst case scenario can be used as a weapon. As you say that is a possibility but not a likely event. I cannot accept that as an argument for not having other measures, as it ignores the fact that there are other scenarios that the security measures aim to mitigate.
Director of the Ministry of Obfuscation and Bull****
PS. Who knows what psychological damage can be wrought by crazed nail-clipper armed aircrew? "As you say that is a possibility but not a likely event."
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HZ123, you're a fool and clearly only see security at ONE uk airfield, if anyone doesn't believe me check his post history on freight dogs.
That letter answers F.A
We are still waiting for answers from you to justify your wild claims about professional pilots on a professional pilots forum. Foxtrot Oscar off to the spectators balcony......Remember this...
......still waiting.......
...Are you a failed pilot?
That letter answers F.A
We are still waiting for answers from you to justify your wild claims about professional pilots on a professional pilots forum. Foxtrot Oscar off to the spectators balcony......Remember this...
Futhermore I have little sympathy with crews as they in themselves pose a threat to each other particularly with the ethnic diversity within the UK alone.
...Are you a failed pilot?
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Would someone like to explain if and why the security and background checks are different for prospective employees who have lived all their lives in the UK and those who have recently arrived?
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The DfT's reply can be ripped apart line by line. The twisted logic and total refusal to accept the ineffectual reality of the UK's US driven window-dressing security is symptomatic of the bureaucratic nightmare of a machine that has been created under the banner of the 'war agagainst terror'.
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> Would someone like to explain if and why the security and
> background checks are different for prospective employees
> who have lived all their lives in the UK and those who have
> recently arrived?
Why should they be different? If there is one thing that we've learnt in recent years it's that terrorists can be home grown. Three out of the four July 7th bombers were British. Born and educated here.
> background checks are different for prospective employees
> who have lived all their lives in the UK and those who have
> recently arrived?
Why should they be different? If there is one thing that we've learnt in recent years it's that terrorists can be home grown. Three out of the four July 7th bombers were British. Born and educated here.
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Different checks ? Sky 9.
Squarely on the head with that one.
The fact is it`s cheaper. X number of bodies needed to keep the shops turning over, keep " security " staffed - can`t speak english ? just take the money and keep `em coming.
Requests to Discovery Scotland ? Brilliant ! been in the country for ten days, not a problem unless you stole a car - and got caught - on your way to the interview, which won`t have hit the system by then anyway.
Unfortunately, the law abiding ethnics with proper addresses and utility bills et al, have to account for every day of the last five years despite death and illness of ex employers,etc.
We are probably whisteling in the wind with this one, but obviously it will be 2012 afore we hear the lilt of eastern european accents in OUR secure areas won`t it ?
The fact is it`s cheaper. X number of bodies needed to keep the shops turning over, keep " security " staffed - can`t speak english ? just take the money and keep `em coming.
Requests to Discovery Scotland ? Brilliant ! been in the country for ten days, not a problem unless you stole a car - and got caught - on your way to the interview, which won`t have hit the system by then anyway.
Unfortunately, the law abiding ethnics with proper addresses and utility bills et al, have to account for every day of the last five years despite death and illness of ex employers,etc.
We are probably whisteling in the wind with this one, but obviously it will be 2012 afore we hear the lilt of eastern european accents in OUR secure areas won`t it ?
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scottish disclosure----a joke!!!!
last time i had to use them for a badge for STN, i had been resident in a house i purchased for over a year--yeah, i know it was in Haverhill, but someone had to live there!
they came back with a notice, that they were unable to confirm my current address and could i please send them a recent utility bill?? i even called them and asked if it needed to be an original. NO--i could sent a copy. i hung up and laughed!!!
what kind of security company is that??? they cannot confirm a house i had purchased over a year ago???
so someone is in bed with someone else and getting 35 pounds a lick to a company that needs us to send a copy of a utility bill to get us a badge for airside STN!!!!
it still puzzles me as to what that activity actually accomplished. apart from easy money for them.
they came back with a notice, that they were unable to confirm my current address and could i please send them a recent utility bill?? i even called them and asked if it needed to be an original. NO--i could sent a copy. i hung up and laughed!!!
what kind of security company is that??? they cannot confirm a house i had purchased over a year ago???
so someone is in bed with someone else and getting 35 pounds a lick to a company that needs us to send a copy of a utility bill to get us a badge for airside STN!!!!
it still puzzles me as to what that activity actually accomplished. apart from easy money for them.
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Interesting letter Rubik 101, but pray can someone please tell me why Edinburgh allows inbound passengers to mingle with outbound passengers in the "Airside" area. Surely this is not just a smalkl hole in the security system but a GAPPING GAP. The security section are worried that aircrew may bring in something from abroad where according to them security is lax so that Aircrew need to be searched on arrival if staying airside. However passengers travelling from the same lax foriegn airports are allowed to mix and mingle with outgoing passengers and so could pass on anything.
What is going on?
Is the tail wagging the dog again?
What is going on?
Is the tail wagging the dog again?
Originally Posted by stator vane
...they came back with a notice, that they were unable to confirm my current address and could i please send them a recent utility bill??...
"well, I'm calling you 'cos I got your letter, and if I got your letter then you must have sent it to the address with me at it, so we've just confirmed the address, haven't we?"
It worked. He'd been at that address for several years IIRC.
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Have we missed the point???
Chaps
You may have missed the point here...
Part of the role of a security organisation is to make the place appear that it is secure.
Thus, everytime that you complain about the mindlessness of security - either the process of getting a pass, or that the pass doesn't really count for anything and that you are subject to mindless checks, you are confirming that the current process works...
Why - because the idea is to make it LOOK secure - and therefore deter some (and not all) potential threats.
You may have missed the point here...
Part of the role of a security organisation is to make the place appear that it is secure.
Thus, everytime that you complain about the mindlessness of security - either the process of getting a pass, or that the pass doesn't really count for anything and that you are subject to mindless checks, you are confirming that the current process works...
Why - because the idea is to make it LOOK secure - and therefore deter some (and not all) potential threats.
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