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The "Crew Security" Thread (merged)

Old 30th Apr 2007, 15:46
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The "Crew Security" Thread (merged)

Like its not already a joke going through security all crew in EasyJet have just recieved an email detailing the new securtity rules;
The Department for transport (DFT) has directed all UK airports to introduce testing of liquids contained within the clear plastic bag carried within hand baggage. This will come into effect from Tuesday 1st May 2007.
Please be advised this testing will also apply to aircrew and airport staff. The testing will take place as the individual passes through the security search point to go airside.
It is anticipated that this introduction will cause inconvenience to customers, airport staff and crew travelling through UK airports and will potentially impact the speed of security processing.
Customers travelling from the UK Airports from 1st May onwards are being contacted by the airline to provide them with advance notice of this new requirement.

Now this really is taking the busicuit, it is a complete joke security removing youghurt pots from crew but having to test it?????
Something has to give, can we not all stand up and say enough is enough?
What are the airlines, unions doing about this? We should all refuse to go to work for one day!
I for one am sick of having to remove one shoe, both shoes, jacket one day not the next, be hounded for not having aftershave in a plastic bag, having too much liquid making up my pack lunch and then having it fingered by them.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 16:08
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Is there anyway that the professionals can help the rest of us as well?
They are bringing the whole rule of law into disrepute when our experience of authority on a daily basis is of MORONIC over reaction.

This is having a corrosive effect on everyone's respect for people we should be depending on for our safety. When you see a white old granny being taken to one side to have her shoes X-rayed AFTER security ( Stansted Saturday morning ), and the fear in her eyes as she's led away.......

Someone has to stand up to the morons.
PLEASE. Take a day off. Everyone if you have to. There must be some unified action you chaps can take to save us all!!!
PLEASE.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 17:13
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The whole 'liquid' farce has to stop. Hasn't it already been shown by experts that to put together a bomb onboard, using 'liquids', you'd need 30 professors, a lab the size of a department store - and three days to do it.

The terrorists who were jailed today must be laughing their flip-flops off. With stuff like that coming from the DFT - they've WON!
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 17:23
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There is now such a huge bureaucracy of overpaid grey-suited ones involved in security that there are several complete Departments of Thinking Up What To Do Next. They obviously have to justify their own existence otherwise they lose their jobs.

As they still only know how to shuffle papers they then have to employ reams of "Consultants", who are of course only too happy to go along with it as otherwise they are out of the gravy train as well.

Do not think this is in any way connected with security, other than a means to milk the security budget before somebody else comes up with a way to do it.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 17:27
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The alternative to taking a day off in protest at these stupid edicts would be to make sure we come to work with several pots of yogurt etc - this would soon jam up the system (pun intended) and cause so much delay perhaps those in positions of authority would sit up and take some action.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 17:52
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Devil

Yes, I'm an old cynic, but maybe this the the governments way of p*ssing everyone off as much as possible to cut the amount of people wanting to fly and so improve their 'GREEN' statistics......
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:03
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You really couldn't make this nonsense up, turn up for work, have water, milk, yoghurt or any liquid confiscated, thus having airside acces only to water to drink for entire shift.
Ok, supposing there is a real threat from liquids, i could be persuaded that tight security was thus necessary. However , cars can be taken airside with their tanks full of petrol, water in washer bottles etc

Why is a member of security staff deemed capable of judging what is secure/safe and what should be confiscated? Assuming they have undergone some checks before they are let loose why can't the rest of the industry have the same 'deemed safe' status?

I could go on listing a long page of ridiculous contradictions brought about by these rules. However, the main effect seems to be to increase the levels of frustration and hence stress in the people who have to put up with them- so well done to the DFT for that, that really helps safety in the aviation industry.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:19
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Have you got a verifiable, authoritative source for this information, other than an internal EasyJet email ?

The only reference I can find is to SAMPLE testing of liquids - see http://www.gov.gg/ccm/public-service...814DBABD81C9B9 for more.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:20
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Jet fuel

I asume that the men it suits have not yet notice that jet fuel is a liquid.

The explosive stuff was suposed to be unstable so a trampline at the check point could speed things up.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:41
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I went through JFK as crew a couple of weeks ago and it was a breeze, didn't even have to take my shoes off!!

UK security for flight crew is just a complete joke, it's a shame it's not funny.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:49
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There was a notice about liquids at the staff search at LHR this morning, it talked about coming into effect on the 1st of May. I didn't read it as it was early, I didn't have liquids (and often don't as I can't be bothered with the hassle) and I was in a hurry.

More draconian measures which effect people who have had more security checks than most yet we are assumed to possibly be a risk to security
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:51
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Well it took me by surprise, but the email issued through HQ states it begins 1st of May, a direct instruction from the DfT themselves. So guess its pretty official unless its only affecting certain airports?

The short notice of it all does make me wonder if the date is wrong and it should be June not May? Has nobody else received this email?

I do quite like the idea of taking lots of small pots of liquid and watching them test them all, i think that might well be the best option. I can just see the early morning rush with everybody carring containers galore, oh the look on the security guys and girls faces would be a kodak moment im sure!

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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:52
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Its a shame for airside staff as well, it gets quite costly when we have to buy drinks all day. By all means test our drinks but why should we have to constantly pay all the time.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 18:56
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Could this be a devious plot by green tree hugger Milliband. A lot of people will give up flying if air travel becomes too unpleasant.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 19:44
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Did anyone suggest how they are going to test liquids? Maybe I could bring in a 99cc bottle of fermented Urine if they are going to do a sniff or taste test!
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 20:27
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1. Bring in 100ml of finest single malt in your silly plastic bag.
2. When invited by the bottom-fondling failed wheelclamper to taste it, swig the lot.
3. Remove yourself from flying duty having been forced to drink alcohol before flying by the idiotic 'sickuriteh rools'.
4. Then go home for the day. But in a taxi.
5. Sue the ar$e off the ******* idiots for loss of flight pay, harassment and anything else you can think of.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 20:31
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i like the idea of urine,but maybe go one further and knock it over while the lids of,
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 21:03
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How abour a 200ml bottle of urine and a leaky cap? Unscrew it a bit more when you hand it over.


Alternatively, I wonder if anyone will decide to make a b*mb to target the security desk. Just think, leave a bottle of shampoo at the security desk that blows up an hour later, taking the security area, staff and passing crew with it. Presumably if it is not safe to go airside then it is not safe to be in the terminal.
Please, please, please tell me that they don't confiscate things that are too dangerous to go airside and then just leave them in security????? I see they display a clear box of confiscated items at LGW.
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 21:19
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No chance

TGWU have intervened at stn BAA security will not be testing liquids for health and safety reasons, seems that they feel if it's not safe to take on an aircraft it's not safe for security staff to open or spray.(besides some smartalec air crew might spike with urine or some other noxious substance.)
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Old 30th Apr 2007, 21:31
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The lunatics aren't only in charge of the asylum - they've escaped! For heavens sake, when is somebody going to call an end to this insanity?
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