Mr O'leary Says What He Thinks!!
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Its Friday afternoon and myself and MOL are off for a pint at the pub ROBBER BARON, care to join us (corner of rich street and Póg mo thóin in Kildare)
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Curser,
I did not say that i suport MOL or his tactics, and i certainly wouldn't bend over for him or anyone else.
I might be fairly new in FR, (over a year) but i have been in aviation a long time now, (30 yrs) In this time, i have seen many other companies that treated their staff badly, but without paying them much money, or giving them any prospect of earning any.
A large proportion of the people that i sit next to at FR are earning more than a lot of captains that i know, who are working elsewhere.
The others have the potential to earn good money within a year or two.
I am aware of the plight of the Dublin guys etc, but they will soon have their day in court. At the end of the day, most who work at FR just turn up, fly, go home, and get paid. Same as any other airline.
fmgc,
I accept, there are probably many who have a story to tell, but many of them are only telling their side of it.
The grass is not that likely to be any greener for them over the fence.
BALLSOUT.
I did not say that i suport MOL or his tactics, and i certainly wouldn't bend over for him or anyone else.
I might be fairly new in FR, (over a year) but i have been in aviation a long time now, (30 yrs) In this time, i have seen many other companies that treated their staff badly, but without paying them much money, or giving them any prospect of earning any.
A large proportion of the people that i sit next to at FR are earning more than a lot of captains that i know, who are working elsewhere.
The others have the potential to earn good money within a year or two.
I am aware of the plight of the Dublin guys etc, but they will soon have their day in court. At the end of the day, most who work at FR just turn up, fly, go home, and get paid. Same as any other airline.
fmgc,
I accept, there are probably many who have a story to tell, but many of them are only telling their side of it.
The grass is not that likely to be any greener for them over the fence.
BALLSOUT.
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Ballsout,
fair enough. You are enjoying your time with fr, not that it matters but i'm pleased for you. One does'nt hear many happy stories and yours is the first in a while, a word to the wise however, happy stories have a habit of going south over there.
I also understand that its nice to just turn up do a days work and then go home but somtimes it is not enough. You are aware of the dublin issue but understanably believe there are two sides to every story. Mol has lost every time he has gone to court, so to my mean intelligence at least, the other sides' case must be fairly weak.
you mentioned the REPA deal and believe people will be killed in the rush if it goes through. You may well be right but mol is not going to allow it ever, without a fight.
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fair enough. You are enjoying your time with fr, not that it matters but i'm pleased for you. One does'nt hear many happy stories and yours is the first in a while, a word to the wise however, happy stories have a habit of going south over there.
I also understand that its nice to just turn up do a days work and then go home but somtimes it is not enough. You are aware of the dublin issue but understanably believe there are two sides to every story. Mol has lost every time he has gone to court, so to my mean intelligence at least, the other sides' case must be fairly weak.
you mentioned the REPA deal and believe people will be killed in the rush if it goes through. You may well be right but mol is not going to allow it ever, without a fight.
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I agree with you.
I agree that there are always 2 sides to every story however I think that one can not ignore the fact that you only ever hear stories of such outrageous behaviour and tactics from this airline.
I agree with you.
I agree that there are always 2 sides to every story however I think that one can not ignore the fact that you only ever hear stories of such outrageous behaviour and tactics from this airline.
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Ah give it a rest with the Willie Walsh and MOL crap. The both of them do a great job and run very successful airlines (fact). People who moan about them are just jealous of their success. His quotes are hilarious and its even funnier when people tristar and thegorilla get more annoyed.
Sure since Willie Walsh has left Aer Lingus that airline has been farting about since then, they need him back.
Go and moan about Andrew Harrison or something.
Sure since Willie Walsh has left Aer Lingus that airline has been farting about since then, they need him back.
Go and moan about Andrew Harrison or something.
You obviously take the same we're invincible leprechauan juice as MOL and WW.WW has done nothing productive since moving to BA and if you ctually had half a brain cell you would be able to see that fact.Since he brought his destructive munchkin carcass all he has talked about is the pension problem then releases bogus info about a deal being struck.All the cost cutting methods that he is attempting to force through are against everything that BA should be about.He is managing to turn many of the airlines major travellers away so how do deem the running down of an airline a success you tube.MOL is just as bad as WW with his constant moaning about unfairness.Well to be honest he is the most boring man in the industry and the sooner the two good for nothings are gone the better it will be
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Ah give it a rest with the Willie Walsh and MOL crap. The both of them do a great job and run very successful airlines (fact). People who moan about them are just jealous of their success. His quotes are hilarious and its even funnier when people tristar and thegorilla get more annoyed.
Sure since Willie Walsh has left Aer Lingus that airline has been farting about since then, they need him back.
Go and moan about Andrew Harrison or something.
Sure since Willie Walsh has left Aer Lingus that airline has been farting about since then, they need him back.
Go and moan about Andrew Harrison or something.
He has done doo-diddly squat to improve the fortunes of BA - Take a look at the current situation which has been brewing ever since he took over. From your tone, I dont think you work for BA or have the slightest clue about what goes on within BA... I have 10 years service - loyal at that.
Do you really think EI would want WW back? I think not. WW was brought into BA to do the same as he done at EI - strip it down - Thats a fact...
By the way, the business fraternity in London are very uneasy about the way BA is going. No investment, pension crisis deepening, cabin crew strike threat (future bookings down), Regional staff redundancies, pending fuel surcharge court action, equal pay for all staff issues - ALL since he took the
controls. The list goes on.
Being honest, Iam not annoyed one bit. Iam just observing in the FR case, how stupid (being polite here) and 'off the wall' MOL is... It doesnt bother me in the slightest how FR make their way in the world, but being involved in the industry, it does tend to make one wonder how the hell he manages to run such a company and make such vast sums of money after making such comments regarding his staff and the industry he so loves to hate...
So, waken up and smell the coffee. These guys are all talk and the only reason they are where they are, is down to staff putting in the work - hard work at that. Without loyal hardworking staff and the passengers they deal with - these shmucks wouldnt get jobs in Burger King as managers...
(Absolutely NO offence to Burger King - honest!!!)PS - Glad he never wanted to be a pilot (MOL) anyway... He doesnt have the coordination skills ie Brain to Mouth. God only knows how WW got a command....
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more is better, right....?
Crospaul – you are a strange individual. I not really sure what to make of your comments. As much as MOL and others wish to down tread and attempt to destroy the job, it still retains its magic. There are not many jobs which have that glitter and people like him will never really understand what it means.
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However MOL does understand what it means. In fact he understands it very well indeed. It means that many people will do the job for much less money than pilots currently earn. He has your measure much better than you think. He looks like he will successfully drive down pilots salaries in the next few years in FR - with the others following, as they have been doing. All WW is doing is following this logic as it applies to an established carrier. It is ALL about costs. Costs = any sum beyond zero that you are paid, or any benefits (like sick pay) which cost money. Pilots who wish to work for free, or at 50% salary, or whatever - whether for their first job, or first command, etc. will be accommodated.
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I would say MOL isn't the easiest man to work for but he has done alot of good for people around Europe who have never had a chance to work for an airline. Yes it has taken the glamour out of flying for an airline, but its only a handful of airlines.
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Don't you think he protests too much, the truth is he probably is a frustrated pilot. The industry is full of people in non flying jobs that wish it was them at the controls. I have come across quite a few of them over the years, that go out of their way to make our lives difficult, out of jealousy!
Just a thought!
BALLSOUT.
Just a thought!
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Here's another hypothesis. MOL is quite an extreme personality. He is obsessive in his determination and vindictive towards those whom he sees as "senseless" in their opposition to him (as in: those do they not share his ideological view of the world). Those who oppose him are dealt with very bluntly (from governments to to employees). In the employees case a little revenge for their opposition is always good for keeping the others "in line". In this world, the only group that threaten him - as in: who have any prospect of blocking his progress - are the pilots. Everybody else he can deal with decisively (and he does). He hates this independence and has been VERY successful at reducing the threat from pilots - along with their professional independence (who for example in Ryanair would ever dare to be fatigued?) and in their terms and conditions.
As far as I can see, in each of the battles he has fought with pilots he has shown himself to be ruthlessness and uninterested in "due process". He acts first and then worries about the legalities afterwards.
MOL may be 100% predictable, but to ignore him would be very foolish. He will have more influence, by far, over the lives of most of those who read pprune than anyone else. When you wake up to look back at the "good old days" you will know what I mean. I say this because few pilots seem able to "connect the dots" at the moment (and the "dots" are all there to be connected). He will, in other words, have more effect on BA and everybody else than WW. It is just a matter of time. Afterwards will come the lectures about how kind and wonderful he is.
As far as I can see, in each of the battles he has fought with pilots he has shown himself to be ruthlessness and uninterested in "due process". He acts first and then worries about the legalities afterwards.
MOL may be 100% predictable, but to ignore him would be very foolish. He will have more influence, by far, over the lives of most of those who read pprune than anyone else. When you wake up to look back at the "good old days" you will know what I mean. I say this because few pilots seem able to "connect the dots" at the moment (and the "dots" are all there to be connected). He will, in other words, have more effect on BA and everybody else than WW. It is just a matter of time. Afterwards will come the lectures about how kind and wonderful he is.
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Boy,
You make an excellent post, and those who do not work for FR need to realise how much he effects the rest of us in this industry as our Companies try to cut costs to compete with him.
You make an excellent post, and those who do not work for FR need to realise how much he effects the rest of us in this industry as our Companies try to cut costs to compete with him.
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