Mr O'leary Says What He Thinks!!
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Mr O'leary Says What He Thinks!!
I have just read an interview with Ryanair self-made 'Guru' Mr O'leary, And there is a very 'Bitter' statement made from him to Airliner World:
He Says = I am not a 'Cloud Bunny', or an 'Aerosexual', I Hate Aircraft,
I have never wanted to be an Airline Pilot like the 'Goons' that populate the industry!!
WHAT!!!!!
Mr O'leary if it wasn't for the 'So-Called Goons' you would not be here now!!
I am not a 'lover' of the man or the Airline, But this Comment puts the 'Lid on the box' in my view?
People in this Industry need to work as a team, And comments like this does no good to anyone C EX MD or whatever???
Mr O'leary you are not unsinkable??
He Says = I am not a 'Cloud Bunny', or an 'Aerosexual', I Hate Aircraft,
I have never wanted to be an Airline Pilot like the 'Goons' that populate the industry!!
WHAT!!!!!
Mr O'leary if it wasn't for the 'So-Called Goons' you would not be here now!!
I am not a 'lover' of the man or the Airline, But this Comment puts the 'Lid on the box' in my view?
People in this Industry need to work as a team, And comments like this does no good to anyone C EX MD or whatever???
Mr O'leary you are not unsinkable??
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I think he is unsinkable. He built a hugely successful airline, provided jobs for money hundreds of pilots and cabin crew, made millions for himself and is now leaving at a time of his own chosing. At least the guy speaks his mind, not like some of the muppets in senior roles in the industry.
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Oh dear! Here we go again. People getting all upset at Mr. O'Leary because they are so gullible. 
Whilst O'Leary is able to bring out the extremes in people whenever he airs his point of view, I think youl find his comment "I have never wanted to be an Airline Pilot like the 'Goons' that populate the industry!!" refers more to the people that manage the business and work around aircraft rather than just the pilots themselves. Of course, with his broad, all encompassing statement, he is probably refering to many of his own employees too.
Many of us could echo his statement whilst refering to our bosses. I mean, I have never wanted to be an outspoken airline boss like some of the gobsh!tes that populate the industry. Of course, O'Leary's statements can be interpreted by his own sheeplike pilots as just one more insult to add to their pathetic terms and conditions.
Oh what fun it must be to work for Ryanair when you know you are so valued. Like lambs to the slaughter, O'Leary's pilots and other staff put up with the knowledge that they are just "goons" working for pathetic terms in order to make him even richer at their expense.
Give O'Leary his dues. He certainly knows how to attract desperate pilots who find out the hard way that working for a bullying management and a boss who knows how to extract every last bit of money from them is not quite what they expected.
What with Joe Public who are prepared to risk being treated like cattle in order to save a few quid and meek pilots who are so easily divided because so many of them are prepared to fly for peanuts, we now have an outspoken airline (I use the term very loosely) boss who is raking it in, literally at their expense. Horses for courses.
Whilst O'Leary is able to bring out the extremes in people whenever he airs his point of view, I think youl find his comment "I have never wanted to be an Airline Pilot like the 'Goons' that populate the industry!!" refers more to the people that manage the business and work around aircraft rather than just the pilots themselves. Of course, with his broad, all encompassing statement, he is probably refering to many of his own employees too.
Many of us could echo his statement whilst refering to our bosses. I mean, I have never wanted to be an outspoken airline boss like some of the gobsh!tes that populate the industry. Of course, O'Leary's statements can be interpreted by his own sheeplike pilots as just one more insult to add to their pathetic terms and conditions.
Oh what fun it must be to work for Ryanair when you know you are so valued. Like lambs to the slaughter, O'Leary's pilots and other staff put up with the knowledge that they are just "goons" working for pathetic terms in order to make him even richer at their expense.
Give O'Leary his dues. He certainly knows how to attract desperate pilots who find out the hard way that working for a bullying management and a boss who knows how to extract every last bit of money from them is not quite what they expected.
What with Joe Public who are prepared to risk being treated like cattle in order to save a few quid and meek pilots who are so easily divided because so many of them are prepared to fly for peanuts, we now have an outspoken airline (I use the term very loosely) boss who is raking it in, literally at their expense. Horses for courses.
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Morning Alphaindia, I read that quote from him before its been a real attention getter for him. I thought it rather pathetic, last desperate few jerks as the Ialpa noose tightens and forces him to pay his people. Hansol your post was riddled with mis-types and should have read " he has provided MANY jobs for pilots and cabin crew paying them no MONEY". You did get the last bit right however he has made millions for himself and as for leaving, not a chance. He's like a pitbull, you will have to break his back before he releases his jaws.
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Cargo Boy. You are obviously entitled to your opinion, I do however think your comments are unfair to the pilots working at fr. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.
Fair enough the cadets that come in working for next to nothing are muppets, but they are desperate ones, eager to get their first foot on the ladder. Not so silly are the ones who 'use' the company to gain valuable jet experience before moving on to the likes of BA, (and there is no shortage of very high quality fr pilots leaving for them).
Others may stay because although you slag off the terms, and yes they are ****e in areas compared to other companies, the take home pay for a london skipper is over £5K a month every month with a very good fixed roster. The roster enables captains with young kids to plan time off way in advance, and in my experience thats why a lot of the older guys stay.
The grass is always greener, and I'm not defending fr here, simply saying that don't slag off the pilots as they all have their own reasons that you may not be aware of and should not generalise about.
Fair enough the cadets that come in working for next to nothing are muppets, but they are desperate ones, eager to get their first foot on the ladder. Not so silly are the ones who 'use' the company to gain valuable jet experience before moving on to the likes of BA, (and there is no shortage of very high quality fr pilots leaving for them).
Others may stay because although you slag off the terms, and yes they are ****e in areas compared to other companies, the take home pay for a london skipper is over £5K a month every month with a very good fixed roster. The roster enables captains with young kids to plan time off way in advance, and in my experience thats why a lot of the older guys stay.
The grass is always greener, and I'm not defending fr here, simply saying that don't slag off the pilots as they all have their own reasons that you may not be aware of and should not generalise about.
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Hello Bryon...you said,
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Fair enough the cadets that come in working for next to nothing are muppets
So, how did you manage to get in with them?
I thought all new low time people who pay for ratings are paid badly and treated like ****e?
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Fair enough the cadets that come in working for next to nothing are muppets
So, how did you manage to get in with them?
I thought all new low time people who pay for ratings are paid badly and treated like ****e?
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MorningGlory, clearly cargoboys words were a little harsh but his sentement was spot on. Working for nothing was bearly acceptable for flight instructors it then became the norm for corporate f/o's then the american regionals started getting f/o's to pay for there type rating and flying for food but to see just how far it has gone listen to yourself. The cadets are muppets because they work for nothing but the not so silly get jet time. Why stop there? why not stay and get jet comand time,then leave? But wait its already happening and all the time you and the not so silly drag the rest of us down a little further. Wake up! your pay and conditions are an industry joke! We are all delighted you have started fighting for yourselves, but don't expect to take you seriously untill you remove your collective heads from mol ass. (Having reread my post, i feel my words may be a little harsh too, sorry)
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He said this years ago. His point is that having your head in the clouds is no way to run a business. Though harsh and undiplomatic, he has a fair point.
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I must say I've flown with a few of the 'goons' that become pilots. Whilst I don't have any real dislike for them, they tend to be the ones that will do anything the company asks them and would probably fly for nothing if needed. They are partly responsible for the dragging down of terms and conditions in this industry. Who cares if MOL gobs off like this, he's bloody successful and provides jobs for lots of pilots. At least he's a straight-talker!
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I used to LURRRVE the Goons.
(Bluebottle voice....."He fallen in the water..")
Maybe he will buy some Apaches now that they have shown how to carry pax on the outside.
(Bluebottle voice....."He fallen in the water..")
Maybe he will buy some Apaches now that they have shown how to carry pax on the outside.
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Yeah get over it. MOL isnt a bad bloke, he speaks his mind and doesnt talk crap. He gets straight to the point without arsing around like BA other major airlines.
Personally I love his qoutes......check these out
...About stakeholders, rivals and customers
Personally I love his qoutes......check these out
...About stakeholders, rivals and customers
- "For years flying has been the preserve of rich ****ers. Now everyone can afford to fly."
- "Screw the travel agents. Take the ****ers out and shoot them. What have they done for passengers over the years?"
- On refunds "we don't fall over ourselves if they say my granny fell ill. What part of no-refund do you not understand? You are not getting a refund so **** off."
- On Lufthansa: "Jurgen (Weber Chairman Lufthansa Supervisory Board) says Germans don't like low fares. How the **** does he know? The Germans will crawl bollock-naked over broken glass to get them."
- On rivalry with British Airways : "There's too much 'we really admire our competitors'. All bollocks. Everyone wants to kick the **** out of everyone else. We want to beat the crap out of BA. They mean to kick the crap out of us."
- On the Polish market: "Who wants to go to Gdansk ? There ain't a lot there after you've seen the shipyard wall."
- Being happy: "They don't call us the fighting Irish for nothing. We have always been the travel innovators of Europe . We've built the roads and laid the railways. Now it's the airlines!"
- On environmentalists "I’m always actually very pleasant, but don’t believe in trotting out all that PC claptrap just not to upset a couple of ******* environmental lunatics. They are just loons."
- His ultimate goal: "Free tickets. In a decade or so, airlines will pay travellers to distribute people around Europe. The airline industry is like Tesco, Ikea or network television where viewers watch for nothing and advertisers pay for access to them. Web companies earn money when they deliver click traffic to other sites."
- On the slightly wider Airbus A320 fuselage: "I've heard a lot of horse**** about a wider fuselage. I've yet in 15 years in this industry to meet one passenger who booked his ticket based on that. The seats have been wide enough and the aisles have been wide enough for passengers."
- Following aircraft bomb plot : "we're still dealing with farcical Keystone Kops-like security measures which add nothing whatsoever to security; are completely ineffectual in terms of improving or adding to security, and are just serving to block up the airports."
- More specifically: "let's deal with a couple of the stupid regulations we are dealing with at the moment [..] it means we are now body searching terrorist suspects like 5 and 6 year children travelling with their parents on holidays to Spain; we're targeting terrorist prospects like elderly passengers and people in wheelchairs who are clearly potentially a great threat to the Great British public and British air safety - this is a nonsense."
- "It feels like Laurel and bloody Hardy are working at the Department of Transport coming up with these security measures."
- "The terrorists must be rolling around the caves of Pakistan laughing."
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Curser. I certainly do not have my head collectively up mol's ass or am I 'dragging' the industry down as you have suggested.
You don't know me or know how professionally and seriously I take my job.
You are wrong and shooting the messenger my friend.
I think the t's + c's in fr are probably worse in every aspect compared to most. I support the action of the pilots trying to change this.
My point being is that you can't categorise all the pilots the same. Some may have genuine reasons to stick with it.
I couldn't give a monkeys if you or anyone else in the industry takes us seriously or not. Some of us are doing our best to make it a better place to be for all those concerned.
You don't know me or know how professionally and seriously I take my job.
You are wrong and shooting the messenger my friend.
I think the t's + c's in fr are probably worse in every aspect compared to most. I support the action of the pilots trying to change this.
My point being is that you can't categorise all the pilots the same. Some may have genuine reasons to stick with it.
I couldn't give a monkeys if you or anyone else in the industry takes us seriously or not. Some of us are doing our best to make it a better place to be for all those concerned.
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MorningGlory, untill you are organised and have collective representation you will continue to drag the industry down. I have no doubt that you are a serious professional. I too support the FR lads and Lassies in their fight. We are all using pen names and therefore all comments will regrettably be of a general nature.
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I am a very good friend of MOL and he calls me his ******* french goon. My answer is always: "that's why we are friends Miky!".You over the seas have very good guys such, Mike and Sir Richard. You should be proud of speeking the same language.
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Mr O'leary Says What He Thinks!!
Hi Guys and Pilots,
as long as a Guy like Ryanair self-made 'Guru' Mr O'leary working and be responsible to run airline business , so long , and hopefully not too long , it gets more unsafe and ..............
This is rock-bottom.
But of Course he has a lot of nice a...... around him to follow to hell like Base Cpt HHN.
Happy Landings
Cpt G.
as long as a Guy like Ryanair self-made 'Guru' Mr O'leary working and be responsible to run airline business , so long , and hopefully not too long , it gets more unsafe and ..............
This is rock-bottom.
But of Course he has a lot of nice a...... around him to follow to hell like Base Cpt HHN.
Happy Landings
Cpt G.
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Think what you like about the man, but, he is the only airline figurehead to have the balls to speak up against the tirade of made up, and mostly factless anti-airline environmental propaganda spouted in the daily moronic garbage tabloids and tv as factual news..
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cargo boy and others,
I joined FR a little over a year ago, (direct entry captain) They paid for my 737 type rating in exchange for a two year bond. They paid me full basic pay from day 1. I take home five grand a month (after tax) I fly modern, well maintained aircraft and i have a stable five on three off roster, (home every night)
I agree, new first and second officers have it fairly tough at first but within a year or two, they are taking home more than captains in most other companies.
So you have to buy a uniform and pay for a medical, SO WHAT!
FR may not be the best place in the world, but it is better than a lot i can think of, and if the repa deal comes off, people will get killed in the stampede to get in.
BALLSOUT.
I joined FR a little over a year ago, (direct entry captain) They paid for my 737 type rating in exchange for a two year bond. They paid me full basic pay from day 1. I take home five grand a month (after tax) I fly modern, well maintained aircraft and i have a stable five on three off roster, (home every night)
I agree, new first and second officers have it fairly tough at first but within a year or two, they are taking home more than captains in most other companies.
So you have to buy a uniform and pay for a medical, SO WHAT!
FR may not be the best place in the world, but it is better than a lot i can think of, and if the repa deal comes off, people will get killed in the stampede to get in.
BALLSOUT.
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Ballsout,
So what would you say to the guy who was offered a job (direct entry Captain) got his contract, signed it and sent it back, resigned from his current job and then on his first day gets another much inferior contract shoved infront of him and told to sign it or he has no job.
He has to sign it coz he has no other job and doesn't have the resources to take it to court.
I don't think that they get much worse then that.
So what would you say to the guy who was offered a job (direct entry Captain) got his contract, signed it and sent it back, resigned from his current job and then on his first day gets another much inferior contract shoved infront of him and told to sign it or he has no job.
He has to sign it coz he has no other job and doesn't have the resources to take it to court.
I don't think that they get much worse then that.