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Old 29th Jan 2007, 18:33
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Seems to me like a bunch of smug pilots dismayed that their hard working colleagues down the back haven't been shafted to finance their own generous pay/pension deal.The sooner you all realise that this business is a team effort,the better.Believe me,if the company could screw you they would,or maybe,one day will !!
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 18:37
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Originally Posted by bermudatriangle
Seems to me like a bunch of smug pilots dismayed that their hard working colleagues down the back haven't been shafted to finance their own generous pay/pension deal.
I think you will find that it was the BA pilots negotiating team who not only identified £6M of funds but forced BA to hand them over to finance the pension deal the cabin crew have got. How about some thanks for those smug pilots who have got the cabin crew a deal their union couldn't, especially as a certain Mr Conroy publically derided one of the men who had done most to help the cabin crews cause? Its about time the cabin crew realised that BA is a team effort instead of having hissy fits and reporting anyone who disagrees with them to BASSA for bullying.

Then again, judging by the usual BASSA logic no doubt they'll shift the blame. They are already accusing the 1000 who went sick of undermining their stance. What about the other 7132 who voted yes Mikey?
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Harry Wragg
For all those who no longer wish to fly BA, then please go away. I'm sure all the other airlines are just fabulous. Who knows the empty seats may bring our brilliant management to its senses. Harry
Avoiding the temptation to use a very rude word, Harry, empty seats mean financial collapse and no jobs for you and thousands of others, NOT "bringing the management to its senses". What vintage 1970's union notions you do have.

BA strikes are no longer underwritten by the taxpayers, in case you hadn't noticed.

I would agree, though, that a deeper problem than mindless cabin and ground staff, and the dinosaur unions pulling their strings, is the dreadful BA senior and middle back-office management who allowed things to get like this. Most (90%?) of the time-serving incompetents could be fired tomorrow with no perceptible loss in terms of BA's service standards, safety or productivity, and with a huge gain in profitability. Start at the very, very top, WW, and work down.

BA's Directors and Managers should be frog-marched round the White House at Dublin Airport, from which a better - profitable - airline is better run, to get some ideas about which of them should go. They might do this instead of the next bonding and blue sky thinking country house weekend.

The White House trip could be quite scary for the likes of the Deputy Group Manager, Cabin Floor Cleaning Services Personnel Allocation Team (Scottish Region), to see that a relatively tiny number of people can run a large airline efficiently.

I apologise to the holder if there is such a job title; I made it up, but you never know. If there is, please substitute Director, Engineering Information External Intelligence Office, or Policy Review Advice Team Manager.

I can invent non-jobs all day, because I once
learned this skill as an air transport consultant.
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 18:46
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Bank Of England will note inflation busting pay deal

Expect another 0.5% on mortgage rates. If the BofE were undecided about what the next interest rate will be this pay deal will help them make their minds up . Money in one end and out the other
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 18:53
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Some reps have resigned. They have closed their forum for "maintenance".

Oh dear oh dear.

Thanks BASSA, your ill timed and stupid ballot has gained nothing and now, no doubt, made WW think he is invincible
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 18:58
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The rise is not inflation busting, it is RPI + 0.2% paid 3 months late and not back dated, it equates to a less than RPI rise over the first 12 months then RPI for the next 12.I don't think BASSA have got any new monies out of BA despite the huge ballot in favour of IA, they have lost the 4th purser the 18.5% increase in pensioable pay mirrors what the flight deck got without resorting to IA, they have lost BIG time.
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:06
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bermudatriangle - that's a Barry manilow number, isn't it? - might i suggest you self-moderate until you get a grip on reality? that way you will avoid the derisory comments you so richly deserve at the mo.

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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:08
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I know BASSA News reads like a tabloid, but I am reminded of the Guardians headline the day Jonathan Aitkin was convicted of perjury. Perhaps in the final assessment of their reps the headline will read "They lied and lied and lied"?
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:23
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Not sure what planet Bermuda triangle is on????

I wonder if he grasps the minute of what has happened today!

The real BASSA hardcore realise they have been done over like a kipper full stop!!

WW and the BA management team all laughing all the way to the bank.

In true form for BASSA they have closed down their very own website because of the revolt going on, censorship at the very highest level!

Face facts the Cabin crew have been manipulated and lied to throughout this farce, the only losers today are BASSA members, everyone knows that.
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:27
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PS ignore Harry Wragg he brings nothing to the debate which is after all BA Cabin Crew going on strike and showing WW who really runs BA.......................... yeah right
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:34
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Sent to me from the Trotskyits, I particularly like the bit about the wife and kids, absolutely priceless........ and true to BASSA's soviet style propaganda.


A message from the Branch Secretary
Please read this very carefully and trust what I say.
Today the 9 people Branch Committee had to take a very tough decision. BA had tabled their final offer and asked that the strike be called off. This offer, they said, would be withdrawn forever if the committee turned it down. 9 people then had to decide if this was a bluff. It was not an easy call to say the least. A majority decided to accept the offer. Democracy therefore decided that the strike would be called off. The majority that decided to accept the vote did it with integrity. They did it because they genuinely believed it was in the best interests of you the membership. Their decision should be respected without reproach. They have fought hard for you and have achieved what they think is the very best. I cannot now accept or tolerate the abuse that is being handed out towards them on the forum, and in particular **********y, the Chairman. I have worked with **** for 10 years now and he has fought with all his might to protect you the membership.


His position has put him in the forefront and he is now being villified publicly for having the courage of his convictions. You might not agree but you simply must not abuse him or his family. **** is a very decent honest man who simply is doing what he thinks is right. How do you think his wife and daughters are feeling reading such abuse? Please now is the time for calm. Everyone take a deep breath. Whatever you think of what has been accepted let me tell you that BA have learned a lesson and I do not say that in a gloating manner. I truly believe Willie Walsh now realises that he presides over a massive industrial relations problem and I also believe he will address that situation. You have spoken and they have listened. A deal was done. Some think the deal is acceptable, others thought it could be bettered but that is now history. The cold facts say however that BA were dragged to the negotiation table and important concessions were given.
It is more important than ever that we unite behind what has happened and congratulate ourselves on achieving the most marvellous ballot result in history. Have no doubt BA will have taken heed, they are not that stupid, they know things will have to change if they are ever to again win the respect of their cabin crew. Whichever way you look at the "deal" that has emerged you really should all be very proud. Let's all now pull together in one direction, tomorrow is another day and BASSA needs you the membership to be behind it and not fragmenting amongst a torrent of personal abuse. We
have enough enemies out there without fighting each other.
A sincere and heartfelt thank you to you all.
Regards
******** *****
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:36
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pprune

everyone remember PPRUNE stands for prof pilots rumour network.
nothing has been confirmed by bassa yet.
as this is a roumour network then believe what u will!!!!!!
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:37
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The pay rise is 0.9% above that of the October figure. This is definately the better way round!
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:39
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But according to reports 4 months delayed..............
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:42
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Back pay is back pay, 0.9% better on earnings is for life.
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:43
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Its not rumours, offiial announcements have been made,. BASSA haven't yet because even they will be having trouble in spinning a victory. They will, but it will take time.
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:45
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Perhaps it's time for **** *****y to spend more time with his family.
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:46
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I just wonder if the 4.6% is pensionable ?
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 19:47
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No it is not.
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Old 29th Jan 2007, 20:05
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Where does it say that it is not? The new increments are not, but it does not say that with regard to the basic pay rise.
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