Capt Refuses To Fly 'unsafe' Onur Air A321!!!
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FSD Glideslope,
thank you for the translation.
bbus,
getting a call from an airline doesnīt mean you get the job.
If you accept an airplane that shuts down its engines for unknown reasons
I wouldnīt hire you anyways.
The Turkish Pilot Union (TALPA) is defending Onurair, saying that the captain
in question has phsycological problems...
and requested the Turkish CAA to invite him for a testing.
You canīt cover up for ever! Onurairīs management is dangerous (profit over safety), their mx managers are dangerous and every pilot who works for them and accepts a sick airplane is dangerous too.
Iīve been there and know how they work and wouldnīt want to do it again.
TALPA,
get your priorities right or how much is Onur paying you? Are you really a
Pilots association?
thank you for the translation.
bbus,
getting a call from an airline doesnīt mean you get the job.
If you accept an airplane that shuts down its engines for unknown reasons
I wouldnīt hire you anyways.
The Turkish Pilot Union (TALPA) is defending Onurair, saying that the captain
in question has phsycological problems...
and requested the Turkish CAA to invite him for a testing. You canīt cover up for ever! Onurairīs management is dangerous (profit over safety), their mx managers are dangerous and every pilot who works for them and accepts a sick airplane is dangerous too.
Iīve been there and know how they work and wouldnīt want to do it again.
TALPA,
get your priorities right or how much is Onur paying you? Are you really a
Pilots association?
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well first off all I didn't say a call from a company means I the have the job, second I prefer to stay here, third of all he has phsycological problems did you ever fly with him?
I'm won't say any thing more about it!
Take care and happy landings!
max blow have fun at sun express
I'm won't say any thing more about it!
Take care and happy landings!
max blow have fun at sun express
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Hello,
Sorry to jump in...but.....
Bbus:
Maybe it's a language understanding matter....or it must be understand "a aircraft partially unsafe"...is a safe aircraft.. ?
Just a remark from a noob.
Regards.
Sorry to jump in...but.....
Bbus:
still does this means the aircraft is completely unsafe?
Just a remark from a noob.
Regards.
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....or it must be understand "a aircraft partially unsafe"...is a safe aircraft.. ?
Well, thatīs the way Onurairs management sees it.
The Turkish Pilots union took a u-turn and revised their statement. Even Onurs management had to admit that they donīt really know whats wrong with the airplane and I understand that itīs been taken out of service for further investigation by the Turkish CAA.
bbus,
Iīm not at xq - rgds from ORD
Well, thatīs the way Onurairs management sees it.
The Turkish Pilots union took a u-turn and revised their statement. Even Onurs management had to admit that they donīt really know whats wrong with the airplane and I understand that itīs been taken out of service for further investigation by the Turkish CAA.
bbus,
Iīm not at xq - rgds from ORD
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I'm sorry, but I'm completely at a loss with this thread, it just doesn't make sense???
Ok, so was it sat at the holding point, or parked at the gate with the door open?
Why? The aircraft isn't going anywhere without a Captain? Unless he jumped out of the aircraft at the holding point and there was a very brave FO up front.
It's not difficult, surely they can get off the aircraft, the same way that the captain did 
The aircraft, operated by Turkish budget airline Onur Air, was waiting for clearance to take-off
After the captain left, panic broke out, as one woman had an asthma attack and had to be given oxygen by the stewards, while others were in tears.
Passengers say one couple were banging on the windows, demanding to be let off the plane.
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pilot unsafe or aircraft??
As I read the Turkish newspaper Millet I thought something was strange in the comments that Onur Air gave. They said the pilot was under investigation because they thougt he was not mental stable after this incident.
So did they allready new that the pilot had a mental problem before this incident happened or are they saying this know to bring the guy in discredit. If they knew I find it strange that they let him fly an aircraft.
So did they allready new that the pilot had a mental problem before this incident happened or are they saying this know to bring the guy in discredit. If they knew I find it strange that they let him fly an aircraft.
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"Onur Air is unsafe"
I read of this story in an American trade mag. It quoted its source as the Daily Mail. Again details were of the sensationalism type and left a lot untold. I agree that there could be a lot missing in the translation of the captain's words. This article did mention strange noises from an engine which caused the captain to announce his resignation. Good on the man.
I would like to point out to some earlier posters, who have picked on others points.
Strepsils and Weasil - the FAA preamble in my company's DDPG of which the MEL is part includes:-
'However, the rules also permit the publication of a Minimum Equipment List (MEL) where compliance with certain equipment requirements is not necessary in the interests of safety under all operating conditions.'
and
'The FAA approved MMEL includes those items of equipment related to airworthiness and operating regulations and other items of equipment which the Administrator finds may be inoperative and yet maintain an acceptable level of safety by appropriate conditions and limitations; it does not contain obviously required items such as wings,flaps and rudders.'
I think the safety aspect is adequately covered in the above.
Another point raised was where one defect has an effect in combination with others, again the preamble gives the guidance 'When operating with multiple inoperative items, the interrelationships between those items and the effect on aircraft operation and crew workload will be considered.'
In other words, whilst it is safe to fly with one of the items defective, in a combination, a fresh look at the overall situation is required.
I would like to point out to some earlier posters, who have picked on others points.
Strepsils and Weasil - the FAA preamble in my company's DDPG of which the MEL is part includes:-
'However, the rules also permit the publication of a Minimum Equipment List (MEL) where compliance with certain equipment requirements is not necessary in the interests of safety under all operating conditions.'
and
'The FAA approved MMEL includes those items of equipment related to airworthiness and operating regulations and other items of equipment which the Administrator finds may be inoperative and yet maintain an acceptable level of safety by appropriate conditions and limitations; it does not contain obviously required items such as wings,flaps and rudders.'
I think the safety aspect is adequately covered in the above.
Another point raised was where one defect has an effect in combination with others, again the preamble gives the guidance 'When operating with multiple inoperative items, the interrelationships between those items and the effect on aircraft operation and crew workload will be considered.'
In other words, whilst it is safe to fly with one of the items defective, in a combination, a fresh look at the overall situation is required.
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Ban ON Turkish OUN AIR
I dont blame the pilot well done as ths airline was on the black list of airlines banned from flying into europe.
It appears to me that there is a significant latent safety threats engulfing the oun air and what they did to be removed from the black list is not enough.
That showes how corupt the system is and the lack of oversight by the countries civil aviation.
The irony is that Saudi Airlines is still utilising thier sevices inspite of serious several safety blunders commited during the previous HAJ seasons.
Lack of CRM , poor english language , Poor Maitenance. Weak Crew flying skills
Cheers for the Capt who walked off the aeroplane.
It appears to me that there is a significant latent safety threats engulfing the oun air and what they did to be removed from the black list is not enough.
That showes how corupt the system is and the lack of oversight by the countries civil aviation.
The irony is that Saudi Airlines is still utilising thier sevices inspite of serious several safety blunders commited during the previous HAJ seasons.
Lack of CRM , poor english language , Poor Maitenance. Weak Crew flying skills
Cheers for the Capt who walked off the aeroplane.
