BA cabin crew threaten to poison pilots
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Originally Posted by apaddyinuk
We jest all the time about doing things to those who disagree or confront us in ALL walks of life...but it does not mean we will actually act upon them.
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If people are going to take everything seriously
Once you've opened your mouth and made an inappropriate remark, as I well know, you can't take it back and expect everything to stay the same.
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Try and squash it all you like, many times over the years I have had it said seriously and truthfully to me that flight deck food has been tampered with, and I have even asked them to confirm it and they have. It does happen, I know it goes on and you should stop pretending it is an idle threat. It is going on all the time when certain people feel they have been aggrieved, and rather than try and squash all mention of the whole problem, we should be looking at how to stop these particular individuals carrying out this practice every time their noses are put out of joint. Some of the cabin crew postings here make it quite plain the practice is ongoing. It is up to cabin crew to stamp this out. So rather than bury the problem and pretend it doesn't happen ( it's only a 'joke'), why not keep your house in order?
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I fly an average of 3 sectors every day, six days a week and never once I heard the call "SCCM to the F/D" for a pilot incapacitation. Never once I went into the flight deck and got asked for sick bags etc. And food poisoning can show its effects almost immediately as it's a defence of the body to get rid of the offensive element as quickly as possibly.
If what you say is true and you have the proof that it's happened for real, by all means report the offenders now, do not wait for another FC to fall victim of these "vicious" CC.
It all depends how you treat your crew.......my Flight Crew treat me (us in general) very well, they take care of us and we do the same. When I am "galley slave" I make sure they choose what they want to eat first, I offer Club food to them if there's some left...when we board at 5am I make sure I give them a cup of tea or coffee (I ask do you like it strong/weak with lots of milk etc) and I steal the Club biscuits and give them to them - everybody loves the Bourbons and the Custard ones.
If I work at the back I make a point to call them even during a short flight and if the workload permits I go for a short visit in the flight deck.
I am not obliged to do all these things, it's just out of courtesy but our Boys and Girls have earned to be treated in such a way as they are really good with us. They involve us in some decision making and they always show lots of respect for us. We have a degree of familiarity and understanding that I've never experienced in any other airline. We talk, joke, laugh together
and the days fly by quickly. From a human point of view we're on the same plane 
(excuse the pun but it was necessary!) while we still remember who is in charge.
That new F/D door has become a bigger communication barrier than I ever thought. But it's up to you not to let it come in the way, and especially do not use it as an excuse for not interacting with each other!!!! You're not sitting on a throne and if you see that the CC aren't very "sociable" to start with, you're not 5y.o. anymore, you can start the conversation yourselves!!! In many cases you'll get a positive response. If not......well, just learn to tolerate each other without making things difficult for each other!!!
Sorry for this serious tone, but I think you guys are trying to find excuses!
The mature way to deal with this matter would be : you have the proof that someone has done it to you, then report them. But remember you must have the proof. Talking about it on these terms on pprune won't make things better. It can only make things worse.
Cheer up, chill out and have a safe flight.
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If what you say is true and you have the proof that it's happened for real, by all means report the offenders now, do not wait for another FC to fall victim of these "vicious" CC.
It all depends how you treat your crew.......my Flight Crew treat me (us in general) very well, they take care of us and we do the same. When I am "galley slave" I make sure they choose what they want to eat first, I offer Club food to them if there's some left...when we board at 5am I make sure I give them a cup of tea or coffee (I ask do you like it strong/weak with lots of milk etc) and I steal the Club biscuits and give them to them - everybody loves the Bourbons and the Custard ones.
If I work at the back I make a point to call them even during a short flight and if the workload permits I go for a short visit in the flight deck.I am not obliged to do all these things, it's just out of courtesy but our Boys and Girls have earned to be treated in such a way as they are really good with us. They involve us in some decision making and they always show lots of respect for us. We have a degree of familiarity and understanding that I've never experienced in any other airline. We talk, joke, laugh together
and the days fly by quickly. From a human point of view we're on the same plane (excuse the pun but it was necessary!) while we still remember who is in charge.That new F/D door has become a bigger communication barrier than I ever thought. But it's up to you not to let it come in the way, and especially do not use it as an excuse for not interacting with each other!!!! You're not sitting on a throne and if you see that the CC aren't very "sociable" to start with, you're not 5y.o. anymore, you can start the conversation yourselves!!! In many cases you'll get a positive response. If not......well, just learn to tolerate each other without making things difficult for each other!!!
Sorry for this serious tone, but I think you guys are trying to find excuses!
The mature way to deal with this matter would be : you have the proof that someone has done it to you, then report them. But remember you must have the proof. Talking about it on these terms on pprune won't make things better. It can only make things worse.
Cheer up, chill out and have a safe flight.
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Originally Posted by overstress
Paddy I think it's a bit like one of us making a spoof alert call, telling you we're about to crash, then saying 'only joking'.
The way some of you are talking there's no wonder you worry about your food getting screwed about with.
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Isn't this forum part of the Flight Deck Forums.
I thought it was a kind of club for pilots.
I think the hosties have their own section. I wouldn't dream of posting on it.
Actually I've just checked the hostie forums and It seems that loads of pilots are milling about there.
I blame CRM myself.
I thought it was a kind of club for pilots.
I think the hosties have their own section. I wouldn't dream of posting on it.
Actually I've just checked the hostie forums and It seems that loads of pilots are milling about there.
I blame CRM myself.
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Chewy. That's why I said it was a bit like it. Not the same as.
You're worried? What about our customers?
Joke wasn't funny, anyway, and a 'private website' comment has found itself on here.
You're worried? What about our customers?
Joke wasn't funny, anyway, and a 'private website' comment has found itself on here.
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Originally Posted by overstress
Chewy. That's why I said it was a bit like it. Not the same as.
You're worried? What about our customers?
Joke wasn't funny, anyway, and a 'private website' comment has found itself on here.
You're worried? What about our customers?
Joke wasn't funny, anyway, and a 'private website' comment has found itself on here.
Whether it was funny or not is irrelevant. It was still said on a private website and it's not the authors fault if a nosey pilot sneaked on and took a peek...
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As an outsider observing the discussion, I'm puzzled by the attempts by some to suggest that a joke (allegedly) on the BASSA website is the beginning and end of discussion.
Maybe the eye-drops suggestion was a 'joke' and there has been an over-reaction.
Or maybe it's reasonable to be concerned that such a suggestion should be made on a private website for people whose job includes serving food.
Either way, the attempts seem to completely overlook food tampering mentioned in this thread on this website - including by one CC poster with many years in the job (StohDznehDoPrikaza) who said eyedrops incidents were a myth but related some other rather disgusting incidents. (He/she offered the reassurance that food tampering was a very rare occurrence.)
Maybe the eye-drops suggestion was a 'joke' and there has been an over-reaction.
Or maybe it's reasonable to be concerned that such a suggestion should be made on a private website for people whose job includes serving food.
Either way, the attempts seem to completely overlook food tampering mentioned in this thread on this website - including by one CC poster with many years in the job (StohDznehDoPrikaza) who said eyedrops incidents were a myth but related some other rather disgusting incidents. (He/she offered the reassurance that food tampering was a very rare occurrence.)
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Everyone has gone way over the top with this! I doubt there is a crew member out there who can say they have never cracked a joke about doing something to someone's food, be it passengers', other cabin crew's or pilot's. Until someone actually does it and it can be proven just get over it.
I operated a flight the other day and when one of the engines was shutdown during taxi, the FO turned to me and jokingly said they'd thought about doing it during the cruise to save fuel. Going by what some of you are saying here, should he not have said that? Do you consider that comment inappropriate? Should I be demanding that the company investigate it?
I operated a flight the other day and when one of the engines was shutdown during taxi, the FO turned to me and jokingly said they'd thought about doing it during the cruise to save fuel. Going by what some of you are saying here, should he not have said that? Do you consider that comment inappropriate? Should I be demanding that the company investigate it?
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Ah yes, but people can only speak for themselves. Because they haven`t done a particular thing doesn`t make it a myth, and what they have done, allegedly, doesn`t make it widespread.
Still worrying though.
Still worrying though.
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And can I just add.....If I remember correctly eye drops were removed from the basic first aid kit on BA flights YEARS ago. They are in the M5 kit but after all, if thats open the pilot will know about it long before the crew even get a chance to spike his/her food....OOPS, HAVE I JUST SUGGESTED THAT AT THIS MOMENT I AM SPIKING A CAPTAINS DRINK???
Seriously, Im sure a similiar thread like this has been done to death in the past and it should really go down as an urban legend and those stupid enough to actually do it should have the A4 size hard binder copy of FCO's thrown at them!
Seriously, Im sure a similiar thread like this has been done to death in the past and it should really go down as an urban legend and those stupid enough to actually do it should have the A4 size hard binder copy of FCO's thrown at them!
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Originally Posted by ChewyTheWookie
Everyone has gone way over the top with this! I doubt there is a crew member out there who can say they have never cracked a joke about doing something to someone's food, be it passengers', other cabin crew's or pilot's. Until someone actually does it and it can be proven just get over it.
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Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack
A Garuda FA did actually poison a passenger, and that was proven.
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Its made the papers.....
Todays Manchester Evening News
A row has broken out among air crew amid claims air hostesses threatened to poison a pilot.
The row is said to have started after a BA FO wrote a letter to an airline newspaper criticising cabin attendants rosters. But he recieved an unexpected response from members of a cabin crew's union internet forum.
One disgruntled chatroom member reportedly said "Me thinks eye drops in the coffee!!" Watch ur food and drink very carefully Mr xxxxxxx".
The alleged comments on the private British Airlines Steward And Stewerdesses Association (BASSA) forum caused a storm of protest after they were quoted on a pilots website.
One writer on the widely read Proffesional Pilots Rumour Network ( PPRuNe ) said the FO had been "inundated with threats" to poison him with eyedrops.
Another said "The stories make me feel sick. It is not just eyedrops. One would feel lucky if it was just that". One commentator said " I'm cabin crew for the said company and would never consider poisoning one of my fellow workers."
Another said "Grow up. Its just a bit of banter on the forum. Things are taken too seriously these days. Just laugh and get on with it".
It is not the first time that chatroom pilots have expressed concerns about alleged threats to spike their coffee during a flight.
One writer in 2004 quoted a cabin attendant as saying "If he wants a cappuccino he would ave the best one ever - specially made - but i can't let you all in on my special bland. It's all in the beans, of course!"
BASSA is part of the Transport and General Workers Union. A TGWU spokesman said " Maybe if the pilot had thought before opening his mouth, he would'nt be at the butt end of the story now".
Balpa, the pilots union, woiuld not comment.
A spokesman for BA said "We have spoken to the pilot and he has not made any complaint."
It is believed eyedrops cause diarrhoea when they are swallowed. Some contain tetrahydrozoline, which can be dangerous if swallowed.
A row has broken out among air crew amid claims air hostesses threatened to poison a pilot.
The row is said to have started after a BA FO wrote a letter to an airline newspaper criticising cabin attendants rosters. But he recieved an unexpected response from members of a cabin crew's union internet forum.
One disgruntled chatroom member reportedly said "Me thinks eye drops in the coffee!!" Watch ur food and drink very carefully Mr xxxxxxx".
The alleged comments on the private British Airlines Steward And Stewerdesses Association (BASSA) forum caused a storm of protest after they were quoted on a pilots website.
One writer on the widely read Proffesional Pilots Rumour Network ( PPRuNe ) said the FO had been "inundated with threats" to poison him with eyedrops.
Another said "The stories make me feel sick. It is not just eyedrops. One would feel lucky if it was just that". One commentator said " I'm cabin crew for the said company and would never consider poisoning one of my fellow workers."
Another said "Grow up. Its just a bit of banter on the forum. Things are taken too seriously these days. Just laugh and get on with it".
It is not the first time that chatroom pilots have expressed concerns about alleged threats to spike their coffee during a flight.
One writer in 2004 quoted a cabin attendant as saying "If he wants a cappuccino he would ave the best one ever - specially made - but i can't let you all in on my special bland. It's all in the beans, of course!"
BASSA is part of the Transport and General Workers Union. A TGWU spokesman said " Maybe if the pilot had thought before opening his mouth, he would'nt be at the butt end of the story now".
Balpa, the pilots union, woiuld not comment.
A spokesman for BA said "We have spoken to the pilot and he has not made any complaint."
It is believed eyedrops cause diarrhoea when they are swallowed. Some contain tetrahydrozoline, which can be dangerous if swallowed.
Manchester evening News had better learn to spell
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Anyone else find it a little odd that the person who posted the apparent newspaper article chose to type the whole thing out himself instead of copying and pasting? This is quite obvious due to the abbreviations used... The fact that some of the phrasing and poor grammar are certainly not of mainstream media standard leads me to wonder if the article is genuine, especially considering that I have searched all over the place now and cannot find the original... Can someone please post a link to the article itself to confirm is authenticity?