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Whippy you bugger - just might have blown my cover there.... You've certainly narrowed it down a considerable amount!!
You sure you don't mean "Faeces" by the way - an entirely understandable typo given all the recent excitement and yes there are only a couple that can read and write.
Oh and the grass is often not greener, it's just that the cowpats are most likely better concealed.
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You sure you don't mean "Faeces" by the way - an entirely understandable typo given all the recent excitement and yes there are only a couple that can read and write.
Oh and the grass is often not greener, it's just that the cowpats are most likely better concealed.
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The saga continues.....
Company challenges 'dis missal' claim by pilot
THE chief pilot and training officer of Virgin Express Ireland (VEI) has claimed that a crash involving a American Air Force jet at Dubrovnik, Croatia did not mean the airfield was dangerous for Virgin to fly into.
Mr Terry O'Neill was rejecting concerns raised over VEI safety procedures at the airport by former VEI pilot Nicholas McHugh at an Employment Appeals Tribunal in Limerick.
Mr McHugh (44), from Terenure, Dublin is claiming his position with the airline became untenable forcing him to resign on August 3 last after almost two years with the company.
He is claiming constructive dismissal.
The hearing was told that Mr McHugh argued with the chief pilot over the airline's categorisation of Dubrovnik as "a category B" airfield. Mr McHugh's claimed Dubrovnik should receive category C status given to the most difficult airfields for landing.
But in 1999 the US Airforce jet crashed at the airport killing all on board.
"Because there was a crash there doesn't mean it was a dangerous airport. If it was a dangerous airport, it would not be classified or used as an airfield," said Mr O'Neill.
The hearing also heard that Mr McHugh refused to pay for re-training, which the company deemed necessary after a month-long stint with Go Airlines during leave last July.
Furthermore Mr McHugh, he claimed, failed to notify the firm in advance of this.
But Mr McHugh claimed he contacted the company's chief executive before taking up the position with Go.
The hearing was adjourned.
Company challenges 'dis missal' claim by pilot
THE chief pilot and training officer of Virgin Express Ireland (VEI) has claimed that a crash involving a American Air Force jet at Dubrovnik, Croatia did not mean the airfield was dangerous for Virgin to fly into.
Mr Terry O'Neill was rejecting concerns raised over VEI safety procedures at the airport by former VEI pilot Nicholas McHugh at an Employment Appeals Tribunal in Limerick.
Mr McHugh (44), from Terenure, Dublin is claiming his position with the airline became untenable forcing him to resign on August 3 last after almost two years with the company.
He is claiming constructive dismissal.
The hearing was told that Mr McHugh argued with the chief pilot over the airline's categorisation of Dubrovnik as "a category B" airfield. Mr McHugh's claimed Dubrovnik should receive category C status given to the most difficult airfields for landing.
But in 1999 the US Airforce jet crashed at the airport killing all on board.
"Because there was a crash there doesn't mean it was a dangerous airport. If it was a dangerous airport, it would not be classified or used as an airfield," said Mr O'Neill.
The hearing also heard that Mr McHugh refused to pay for re-training, which the company deemed necessary after a month-long stint with Go Airlines during leave last July.
Furthermore Mr McHugh, he claimed, failed to notify the firm in advance of this.
But Mr McHugh claimed he contacted the company's chief executive before taking up the position with Go.
The hearing was adjourned.
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From earlier in the thread.....
"This was denied by the flight captain, Pearse McCrann, who said he phoned his superiors and was assured the regulations were adhered to. He backed their decision. The flight was safe, with no danger."
Surely not the same Capt. McCrann who went to Virgin Express Ireland with less than 2500 hours total, hardly any B737-300 time, got a command instantly and was made a Line Training Captain very soon after that? Seems its not what you know but who you know.
"This was denied by the flight captain, Pearse McCrann, who said he phoned his superiors and was assured the regulations were adhered to. He backed their decision. The flight was safe, with no danger."
Surely not the same Capt. McCrann who went to Virgin Express Ireland with less than 2500 hours total, hardly any B737-300 time, got a command instantly and was made a Line Training Captain very soon after that? Seems its not what you know but who you know.
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I along with several other people I know,will not be around in another week!
We have had enough of the empty promices made by this so called "Proven Managment Team!" Since December we have been told "We'll anounce in the next two weeks!" Well it's been almost 3 months and we are no further forward! If the managment(!?!!) want to get a new airline going they are going to find that they have no staff to do it with! It is time for them to come clean and tell the staff (and those made redundant and asked to wait for news) what is going on and what the state of play is.
I'll get back in my pram now!
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We have had enough of the empty promices made by this so called "Proven Managment Team!" Since December we have been told "We'll anounce in the next two weeks!" Well it's been almost 3 months and we are no further forward! If the managment(!?!!) want to get a new airline going they are going to find that they have no staff to do it with! It is time for them to come clean and tell the staff (and those made redundant and asked to wait for news) what is going on and what the state of play is.
I'll get back in my pram now!
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Full Text Here !!
Virgin Express arm close to rescue deal
Its amazing the way the media can inform us before management think the drones are worth bothering about.....
WillGoodbodyDublin ,Ireland, March 4 2001Virgin Express Ireland, the Irish
arm of theBrussels-based low fares airline, is close to completing a deal
with apotential buyer.
The airline's last remaining route out ofIreland, from Shannon to Gatwick, is
due to cease operations on March 12 if abuyer has not been found.
Chief executive Martin Hamrogue said the companywas still negotiating with
two groups of foreign private investors.
It is understood that one of the consortiacomprises a group of British
investors.
Hamrogue said he remained confident that a dealcould be struck in time to
save the 160 jobs at the Irish division of VirginExpress, which is part of
Richard Branson's Virgin Group.
The parent company had set a deadline of lastWednesday for the completion of
the deal.
Hamrogue said significant progress was expectedfrom the discussions this
week.
"Things are proceeding, but it is nothappening as quickly as we would
like," he said.
Hamrogue said he was unsure what would happen tothe Gatwick route if the deal
is not completed by March 12.
A consortium comprising the Russian airlineAeroflot and headed by Tom Kane,
the owner of Adare Manor Hotel in CountyLimerick, made an unsuccessful bid
for Virgin Express.
"When they made the announcement in lateDecember that they were going to
close, I had discussions with a number ofpeople in the region and we
indicated an interest," Kane told The SundayBusiness Post.
"We went through the process but, when itappeared that there were a
couple of other viable buyers and it looked like itwas going to turn into a
bidding contest, we decided to withdraw. I had feltthat Virgin Express had
frittered away an awful lot of time.
"The first bidding process was January 9thand then the next one was the
19th and then on to the 29th. I began to suspectthe process was taking over
the results."
Kane said part of the group's objective was totry to preserve the status of
another airline in Shannon. When it appeared thisobjective was going to be
satisfied, Kane's consortium decided to withdraw.
Apart from Aeroflot, the other interests involvedin Kane's bid were partly
local and partly US-based. It is understood thatAeroflot is no longer
involved in either of the current bids.
Kane said the offer was for a "nominalamount" because that is all
he felt the airline was worth. As theairline's fleet was leased and its
equipment and landing slots in Gatwick wereto return to the parent company,
the consortium estimated that an investment ofe10 million would have been
required to sustain operations for a year, Kanesaid. Last week, Ryanair
announced that it was setting up a service fromShannon to Brussels, a route
which had previously been served by Virgin ExpressIreland.
Virgin Express arm close to rescue deal
Its amazing the way the media can inform us before management think the drones are worth bothering about.....
WillGoodbodyDublin ,Ireland, March 4 2001Virgin Express Ireland, the Irish
arm of theBrussels-based low fares airline, is close to completing a deal
with apotential buyer.
The airline's last remaining route out ofIreland, from Shannon to Gatwick, is
due to cease operations on March 12 if abuyer has not been found.
Chief executive Martin Hamrogue said the companywas still negotiating with
two groups of foreign private investors.
It is understood that one of the consortiacomprises a group of British
investors.
Hamrogue said he remained confident that a dealcould be struck in time to
save the 160 jobs at the Irish division of VirginExpress, which is part of
Richard Branson's Virgin Group.
The parent company had set a deadline of lastWednesday for the completion of
the deal.
Hamrogue said significant progress was expectedfrom the discussions this
week.
"Things are proceeding, but it is nothappening as quickly as we would
like," he said.
Hamrogue said he was unsure what would happen tothe Gatwick route if the deal
is not completed by March 12.
A consortium comprising the Russian airlineAeroflot and headed by Tom Kane,
the owner of Adare Manor Hotel in CountyLimerick, made an unsuccessful bid
for Virgin Express.
"When they made the announcement in lateDecember that they were going to
close, I had discussions with a number ofpeople in the region and we
indicated an interest," Kane told The SundayBusiness Post.
"We went through the process but, when itappeared that there were a
couple of other viable buyers and it looked like itwas going to turn into a
bidding contest, we decided to withdraw. I had feltthat Virgin Express had
frittered away an awful lot of time.
"The first bidding process was January 9thand then the next one was the
19th and then on to the 29th. I began to suspectthe process was taking over
the results."
Kane said part of the group's objective was totry to preserve the status of
another airline in Shannon. When it appeared thisobjective was going to be
satisfied, Kane's consortium decided to withdraw.
Apart from Aeroflot, the other interests involvedin Kane's bid were partly
local and partly US-based. It is understood thatAeroflot is no longer
involved in either of the current bids.
Kane said the offer was for a "nominalamount" because that is all
he felt the airline was worth. As theairline's fleet was leased and its
equipment and landing slots in Gatwick wereto return to the parent company,
the consortium estimated that an investment ofe10 million would have been
required to sustain operations for a year, Kanesaid. Last week, Ryanair
announced that it was setting up a service fromShannon to Brussels, a route
which had previously been served by Virgin ExpressIreland.
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No real news from Fridays meeting a LGW, the UK pilots are now on 3 months notice. Some guys are giving VEX @ LHR a try. The sims are on hold because VEX won't pay. So it looks like people will probably drift off when the aeroplanes go back.
Shame about aerefolt I hope this is not Marty and the boys playing pontoon with the companys future!
Just a thought, but maybe Nick's courtcase is holding things up?
Shame about aerefolt I hope this is not Marty and the boys playing pontoon with the companys future!
Just a thought, but maybe Nick's courtcase is holding things up?
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The end of the road is near I think for me.
It is just 6 days untill the scheduled SNN LGW is due to cease and over 3 weeks to April 2nd.
We have waited and waited, yet it is nearly 2 week since we got calls telling us the company was sold.
A sad decision I think has to be made and serious efforts made to find new employment.
It is just 6 days untill the scheduled SNN LGW is due to cease and over 3 weeks to April 2nd.
We have waited and waited, yet it is nearly 2 week since we got calls telling us the company was sold.
A sad decision I think has to be made and serious efforts made to find new employment.
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Sad business. A good idea at the start, ruined by appalling management displaying an unholy mixture of arrogance, incompetence and vindictiveness. It's always the poor bloody infantry that suffer, lives and careers damaged, while those supposedly in charge get away with it, paid off, happy and ready to pull the same trick somwhere else. Get out now boys! There are places where the grass is greener then Shannon, Ireland!
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Getafix,
You've really got me thinking on this "chip van" thing. My father always said that there is only one man to work for and that's yourself - at least then you have control of your own destiny. But I digress.
There's a guy from my part of the country who used to operate a single chipvan operation. This progressed to two, three, four chipvans (you get the picture?)located outside dancehalls, bingohalls, marts, large funerals, football matches etc. He then set down roots in a manner of speaking in that he bought a building and opened (yes, you're right) a chipper. My father always said stick to the business you know and he was right because the man I'm talking about now owns four hotels and a very large house on the hill.
The only downside to this was a slight skirmish along the way with the revenue but when you own a fleet of chipvans, a chipper, four hotels and a very large house on the hill (did I mention the apartment in Spain)things like this are only a minor detail. In the end his barrister argued that his client was not aware that VAT applied to Mazola and he got off on a technicality.
Anyway I've coincidentally come out of a number of late venues in the past 12 months to discover a sad lack of chip vans and I think your timing could be just right. If you're serious about bringing this a stage further please respond and we can initiate our business plan. I know a "good" accountant (if you know what I mean) and I also know a guy who does a line in Mazola (VAT paid!). Roll on the house on the hill.
P.S. No, I've no idea if the share transfer occured however can I refer you to my previous comments some time ago on this matter.
Good luck now.
You've really got me thinking on this "chip van" thing. My father always said that there is only one man to work for and that's yourself - at least then you have control of your own destiny. But I digress.
There's a guy from my part of the country who used to operate a single chipvan operation. This progressed to two, three, four chipvans (you get the picture?)located outside dancehalls, bingohalls, marts, large funerals, football matches etc. He then set down roots in a manner of speaking in that he bought a building and opened (yes, you're right) a chipper. My father always said stick to the business you know and he was right because the man I'm talking about now owns four hotels and a very large house on the hill.
The only downside to this was a slight skirmish along the way with the revenue but when you own a fleet of chipvans, a chipper, four hotels and a very large house on the hill (did I mention the apartment in Spain)things like this are only a minor detail. In the end his barrister argued that his client was not aware that VAT applied to Mazola and he got off on a technicality.
Anyway I've coincidentally come out of a number of late venues in the past 12 months to discover a sad lack of chip vans and I think your timing could be just right. If you're serious about bringing this a stage further please respond and we can initiate our business plan. I know a "good" accountant (if you know what I mean) and I also know a guy who does a line in Mazola (VAT paid!). Roll on the house on the hill.
P.S. No, I've no idea if the share transfer occured however can I refer you to my previous comments some time ago on this matter.
Good luck now.
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Found this Web-site while surfing.
http://vei.twu.net/
All this forced leave is starting to take its toll.
http://vei.twu.net/
All this forced leave is starting to take its toll.
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The share deal was supposed to be transacted
yesterday or today.
I know that MH was supposed to go to London yesterday evening, I dont know if he went or if the transaction was completed.
Any other updates would be appreciated.
This life of leisure is getting boring!!!!
It must be, I'm posting on here arn't I.
yesterday or today.
I know that MH was supposed to go to London yesterday evening, I dont know if he went or if the transaction was completed.
Any other updates would be appreciated.
This life of leisure is getting boring!!!!
It must be, I'm posting on here arn't I.
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Re: Present Employment Appeals Tribunal
The reason I sent documents to the DFO upon learning last month that he was to attend, are two fold.
1. TO REMIND THE DFO THAT HE ALREADY HAD THE DOCUMENTS.
2. TO ENSURE THAT HE COULD NOT, ONCE THE FULL AMBIT OF CAPT NM's CASE BECAME KNOWN, CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN UNAWARE OF THE FACTS.
In short the DFO is applying for evidence he has been sitting on for 11 months, to minimise the risk of embarrassment should further enquiries disclose what the DFO had not been competent to discover in his own earlier 'investigations' (or did not want to discover). The DFO has given blanket clearances before that have been found to be totally deficient.
Mickey, give us a yell once your mobile chippers are up and running, I'd be interested in the offshore basing, 14 days in a chipper in Madrid can't be all that bad.