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I have decided to participate in this forum not out of boredom, but out of curiosity as to whom is going to pay my salary next month! I'v rather enjoyed this paid holiday,long may it last.
Who out there can remember (is anyone left)the letter of 04 June 1999 addressed to all employees of Vex/ Vei as penned by Sir Richard?
He states
'.... three or five year job guarantees(with room for arbitration on salaries after three years). Virgin Express would confirm the contracts subject to only three provisos.
1. compliance with existing company employment policies, such as satisfactory performance and proper conduct.
2. a promise to have social peace throughout the period of agreement.
3. should we lose either the Neckermann or Sabena contracts, we would need to consider some form of pro-rata reduction. However with reference to our Sabena contract, I'm confident we would be able to re-deploy much of our equipment and people and compete with them on any of their short haul European routes should they withdraw from our partnership.....'
He then goes on to state;
'.....to insist that Virgin Express guarantees all pilots their jobs.....(subject again only to the three points noted above)....'
and continues;
....'should any positions become redundant I'd commit to finding an equivalent position within the Virgin Express operating companies that would guarantee both salary.....'
My questions are:
1.have we complied with the three provisos?
if so
2.Is his guarantee binding? and
3.who is going to pay my salary next month?
Who out there can remember (is anyone left)the letter of 04 June 1999 addressed to all employees of Vex/ Vei as penned by Sir Richard?
He states
'.... three or five year job guarantees(with room for arbitration on salaries after three years). Virgin Express would confirm the contracts subject to only three provisos.
1. compliance with existing company employment policies, such as satisfactory performance and proper conduct.
2. a promise to have social peace throughout the period of agreement.
3. should we lose either the Neckermann or Sabena contracts, we would need to consider some form of pro-rata reduction. However with reference to our Sabena contract, I'm confident we would be able to re-deploy much of our equipment and people and compete with them on any of their short haul European routes should they withdraw from our partnership.....'
He then goes on to state;
'.....to insist that Virgin Express guarantees all pilots their jobs.....(subject again only to the three points noted above)....'
and continues;
....'should any positions become redundant I'd commit to finding an equivalent position within the Virgin Express operating companies that would guarantee both salary.....'
My questions are:
1.have we complied with the three provisos?
if so
2.Is his guarantee binding? and
3.who is going to pay my salary next month?
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Thanks for the heads up on the burger wars
PerceyDragon any chance for organising that with VEX/VEI mismanagent.
We could all do with a good clear out now and again.
Once again the silence is deafing from Snn
nothing new there.
What I want to know wheres my redundancey
me credit card needs paying.
We were all told(by that man of high standing) that if the company wasn't bought our package would be and I quote "generous"
or is that just his and his side kicks.
Anyway to all it was great to work with you guys wish you all the best.
PerceyDragon any chance for organising that with VEX/VEI mismanagent.
We could all do with a good clear out now and again.
Once again the silence is deafing from Snn
nothing new there.
What I want to know wheres my redundancey
me credit card needs paying.
We were all told(by that man of high standing) that if the company wasn't bought our package would be and I quote "generous"
or is that just his and his side kicks.
Anyway to all it was great to work with you guys wish you all the best.
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Well another week has passed and no news!(Surprise Surprise!!!) I have heard that TB Mr B's hand picked Cabin Crew manager has been heard to say that "SNN is closed and we owe the staff there nothing!" Well this shows the contempt with which the company holds its employees and those made redundant! But I suppose it is the sort of aragance we have come to expect from the managment in Virgin House. I have heard that the deal is done but no money has been forth coming! Yet another quality decision from our "proven managment team!!!!!!!!!!"
Well I (along with several others I have spoken to) have had enough. So long to everybody! It was fun while it lasted!
Well I (along with several others I have spoken to) have had enough. So long to everybody! It was fun while it lasted!
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The tribunal has been put on hold for the time being due to the foot and mouth outbreak.(I kid you not, but it may go to explain the 170+ outbreaks in the UK and 0 in the republic, something to do with humility. but I digress)
It would appear that this is opening up a great can of worms that is bringing the authority of the country into question. If what has been stated in the tribunal by the defense is true, then the authority was out of line by approving something that the Portugese authority required as a prerequisite to operate in to Funcal. (twice in my career, operating with separate registers, we had to do actual circuits at the airfield to be cleared to operate there, as is clearly stipulated in their airfield brief).
This clearly did not happen with this company, in breach, I think YES.
I feel strongly for the average line pilot who turns to management for guidance, only to be misinformed. A grand display of inexperience all around particularily from the management level.
It would appear that this is opening up a great can of worms that is bringing the authority of the country into question. If what has been stated in the tribunal by the defense is true, then the authority was out of line by approving something that the Portugese authority required as a prerequisite to operate in to Funcal. (twice in my career, operating with separate registers, we had to do actual circuits at the airfield to be cleared to operate there, as is clearly stipulated in their airfield brief).
This clearly did not happen with this company, in breach, I think YES.
I feel strongly for the average line pilot who turns to management for guidance, only to be misinformed. A grand display of inexperience all around particularily from the management level.
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Still no news from the Goons in SNN,I wonder do they get a perverse thrill out of playing with peoples lives and careers.One thing is for sure they don`t give a flying ---- about any of the employees pilots,cabin crew,office staff just themselves.
So tomorrow is the day,what can we expect?
So tomorrow is the day,what can we expect?
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You really think that we will all find out whats happening....????if they cannot operate an aims system properly, add up block hours correctly then how are they supposed to manage to sell a company ?????
blind leading the blind in toy town....
its been fun while it lasted and i hope that all of the guys have jobs to keep the money coming in.. good luck
blind leading the blind in toy town....
its been fun while it lasted and i hope that all of the guys have jobs to keep the money coming in.. good luck
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My guess is that we will hear the same as every other time an announcement has been due - "We haven't got any definite news, but we should be able to tell you next week." How many times have we heard that before?! 
Anyway, it's been great working with you all. Best of luck for wherever you go to now.
Anyway, it's been great working with you all. Best of luck for wherever you go to now.
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Check out this one from Thursday's Russia Today.
http://www.russiatoday.com/investori...php3?id=308008
http://www.russiatoday.com/investori...php3?id=308008
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Well the day is upon us, now we'll see if Marty and the Boys are worth their salaries.
Although collectively the management are incompetent in many areas, maybe the real problem still lies with the Vendors ie, Virgin Express Holdings. Would you sell the best part(lowest costs) of your operation to a competitor? Especially with Ryanair camped outside of your castle. I can see they are worried about a new company benefiting from Ireland economic advantages, while they are stuck with social chapter commitments.
The share price hit $1 yesterday so things can't really get any worse, I hope re-issue is next. Everyone needs a deal out of this soon,Us the Belgians and the Virgin brand.
good luck to everyone.
Although collectively the management are incompetent in many areas, maybe the real problem still lies with the Vendors ie, Virgin Express Holdings. Would you sell the best part(lowest costs) of your operation to a competitor? Especially with Ryanair camped outside of your castle. I can see they are worried about a new company benefiting from Ireland economic advantages, while they are stuck with social chapter commitments.
The share price hit $1 yesterday so things can't really get any worse, I hope re-issue is next. Everyone needs a deal out of this soon,Us the Belgians and the Virgin brand.
good luck to everyone.
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I don't believe it!
It's the bloody Russians again!!!!!
Aeroflot Continues Negotiations on Purchasing Irish Airline Company
MOSCOW, Mar 12, 2001 -- (RosBusinessConsulting) Leading Russian airline Aeroflot continues negotiations on purchasing Virgin Express, an Irish airline company, first deputy director of Aeroflot Alexander Zurabov announced in an interview today. He mentioned that these negotiations were not easy.
Aeroflot is going to buy 49 percent of the shares of the Irish airline, which is the maximum amount allowed under Irish law. One of the main reasons that hampers negotiations is a disagreement on prices.
Virgin Express is a low cost airline company, and Aeroflot hopes to enter the western European airline market by purchasing it. However, in the event the negotiations fail, Aeroflot is going to apply principles of low cost companies on the Russian market.
(c) 2001 RosBusinessConsulting
Frightened & Confused!!??
It's the bloody Russians again!!!!!
Aeroflot Continues Negotiations on Purchasing Irish Airline Company
MOSCOW, Mar 12, 2001 -- (RosBusinessConsulting) Leading Russian airline Aeroflot continues negotiations on purchasing Virgin Express, an Irish airline company, first deputy director of Aeroflot Alexander Zurabov announced in an interview today. He mentioned that these negotiations were not easy.
Aeroflot is going to buy 49 percent of the shares of the Irish airline, which is the maximum amount allowed under Irish law. One of the main reasons that hampers negotiations is a disagreement on prices.
Virgin Express is a low cost airline company, and Aeroflot hopes to enter the western European airline market by purchasing it. However, in the event the negotiations fail, Aeroflot is going to apply principles of low cost companies on the Russian market.
(c) 2001 RosBusinessConsulting
Frightened & Confused!!??
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