Air France crash at YYZ (Merged)
I read on another site, that flights over 4 hours are required to perform a safety demonstration before landing in Canada.
Good job on the AF crew, I fly a lot on them for business and in the air, they are some of the best crews around, very professional. The ground staff at CDG is another story!
My girlfriend is flying in from New York friday on...Air France. She didn't seem worried at all, good girl!
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I have just got the London Evening Standard and it shows a picture of the port side (just in front of the wing) emergency exit opened and people jumping.
Question: Where the fudge was the escape slide?
Question: Where the fudge was the escape slide?
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340 (Or Any FBW Airbus) Crew?
OK. Don't wanna start any undue speculation here BUT, I will just say this one thing:
From ALL the pictures that I have seen so far... the spoilers have NOT appeared to have been deployed.
I'm not on a 'Bus so I'm not up to scratch on spoiler operations... but would be interested to know:
1) If you can land without spoilers armed? IE. will the systems allow it, or will there be warnings of any kind?
2) Is there any sort of auto-stow feature built-in... IE, automatically lowers spoilers below, say 20kts? (I doubt it, but I wouldn't put it passed Airbus).
Regardless, at this point the AF crew (both sides of the door) should be congratulated on handling a very difficult situation extremely well.
From ALL the pictures that I have seen so far... the spoilers have NOT appeared to have been deployed.
I'm not on a 'Bus so I'm not up to scratch on spoiler operations... but would be interested to know:
1) If you can land without spoilers armed? IE. will the systems allow it, or will there be warnings of any kind?
2) Is there any sort of auto-stow feature built-in... IE, automatically lowers spoilers below, say 20kts? (I doubt it, but I wouldn't put it passed Airbus).
Regardless, at this point the AF crew (both sides of the door) should be congratulated on handling a very difficult situation extremely well.
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chicken or the egg
A bit of YYZ history, please:
Did the 401 right-of-way exist before the rwy 24 was extended out to (almost) meet it?
Or - was the end of 24 in place at the time the 401 was built?
In other words - what were they thinking?
Did the 401 right-of-way exist before the rwy 24 was extended out to (almost) meet it?
Or - was the end of 24 in place at the time the 401 was built?
In other words - what were they thinking?
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assymetric,
I'm afraid we're playing with symantics again here, but I count the one-leg-up Virgin A340 at Heathrow as an accident.
I'm reliably informed that the Virgin a/c flew again, a few weeks afterwards, but has since been sold on to make room for the A340-600's that Virgin are buying.
Cheers,
The Odd One
I'm afraid we're playing with symantics again here, but I count the one-leg-up Virgin A340 at Heathrow as an accident.
I'm reliably informed that the Virgin a/c flew again, a few weeks afterwards, but has since been sold on to make room for the A340-600's that Virgin are buying.
Cheers,
The Odd One
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Just saw some photos on the BBc and as told in training: when running for your life people will take with them: their hand luggage.... 
It always amases me how stupid we humans are.
The fortunate thing was that the fire was in the back as it is human nature to exit through the same door we entered... which were available now..
Congrats to the AF CC's
It always amases me how stupid we humans are.
The fortunate thing was that the fire was in the back as it is human nature to exit through the same door we entered... which were available now..
Congrats to the AF CC's
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Captain last off the plane
Air France officials, including chairman Jean-Cyril Spinetta, a medical team and a psychologist, were scheduled to arrive Wednesday in Toronto to investigate the crash and help ensure the continuing health of its passengers.
"I want to pay homage to the crew," Spinetta told a news conference Wednesday at the airline's headquarters in France. "I don't know if we should speak of a miracle . . . but above all the professionalism of the crew."
Toronto radio station CFRB reported Wednesday that the pilot of the ill-fated Airbus may have been the last person off the burning plane.
Before leaving the burning wreckage, the pilot - a 57-year-old Air France veteran who was injured in the crash - sent a radio message to report he had made a complete row-by-row sweep of the aircraft to ensure all passengers had escaped.
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...na/plane_crash
"I want to pay homage to the crew," Spinetta told a news conference Wednesday at the airline's headquarters in France. "I don't know if we should speak of a miracle . . . but above all the professionalism of the crew."
Toronto radio station CFRB reported Wednesday that the pilot of the ill-fated Airbus may have been the last person off the burning plane.
Before leaving the burning wreckage, the pilot - a 57-year-old Air France veteran who was injured in the crash - sent a radio message to report he had made a complete row-by-row sweep of the aircraft to ensure all passengers had escaped.
Source:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...na/plane_crash
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With regards to the proximity of the 401 highway. Irrespective of whether it was there before the runway was extended or not, building a bridge over the ravine, containing a sand trap would not have been difficult. Then the enviros would have their ravine and a/c would have a saftey feature worth having.
One 'expert' I heard on BBC 24 News said how the modern a/c are so much safer as they are built much more strongly than previous generations. If memory serves (pax memory
) the VC10 and 707 were heavier and stronger for withstanding a crash than a 777 or 340. Or would the extra mass have made decleration more difficult??
One 'expert' I heard on BBC 24 News said how the modern a/c are so much safer as they are built much more strongly than previous generations. If memory serves (pax memory
) the VC10 and 707 were heavier and stronger for withstanding a crash than a 777 or 340. Or would the extra mass have made decleration more difficult??
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It seems that many slides malfunctioned and here is aquote from one pax, from the Toronto Star (thanks for link above).
Forget the 90 seconds. They were VERY lucky. Not a miracle, just luck.
Abedrabblo said it took less than five minutes from the time the plane landed until he made it out the door
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Lou S, I ony have very limited fire fighting experience, but at bush fire school we were taught that if lives are not in danger then sometimes it is better to adopt the defensive rather than offensive action, contain the fire and let it run its course, rather than risk putting firefighters' lives in danger.
Thank god they all got out OK.
Thank god they all got out OK.
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One story in today's Globe and Mail tells about a passing motorist who picked up four pax who had found their way to the adjacent highway. The motorist said, "They were dripping wet, and kept apologizing about my car [getting wet]. . . . Their brief cases and their bags were covered in mud."
Several other places reference people who were carrying their on-board baggage with them after leaving the a/c.
However quickly the evacuation took place, it is almost certain that it could have been quicker had all baggage been left behind. I hope that the investigative report will discuss this aspect of the evac.
While it is not difficult to understand why some/many people took their on-board luggage (seriousness of the situation may not have been immediately apparent to everyone, general mindset that an extra 5 seconds to take the bag won't make a difference, cabin crew having many other other things to do than insisting that everyone leave all bags, etc.), it would be useful indeed if better procedures were in place to reduce the likelihood of pax taking baggage during an evac.
Several other places reference people who were carrying their on-board baggage with them after leaving the a/c.
However quickly the evacuation took place, it is almost certain that it could have been quicker had all baggage been left behind. I hope that the investigative report will discuss this aspect of the evac.
While it is not difficult to understand why some/many people took their on-board luggage (seriousness of the situation may not have been immediately apparent to everyone, general mindset that an extra 5 seconds to take the bag won't make a difference, cabin crew having many other other things to do than insisting that everyone leave all bags, etc.), it would be useful indeed if better procedures were in place to reduce the likelihood of pax taking baggage during an evac.
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Before leaving the burning wreckage, the pilot - a 57-year-old Air France veteran who was injured in the crash - sent a radio message to report he had made a complete row-by-row sweep of the aircraft to ensure all passengers had escaped.
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From BBC's "have your say"
I didn't witness it, but I had friends of the family calling the home. My mother works for Air Canada and her colleagues on duty were calling her from the airport telling her they witnessed the landing from the terminal. The plane touched down and was hit by lightning at that moment on the top centre of the plane...the tyres burst on impact...and the plane swayed side to side before coming to rest in the ravine and cracking in half. Next that could be seen was flames after about 3 mins. Emergency services were on the scene immediately, but no rescue was viewable from the terminals, so everyone was unaware of the status of the passengers.
Anthony Zanfini, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Gospel according to Air Canada?
I didn't witness it, but I had friends of the family calling the home. My mother works for Air Canada and her colleagues on duty were calling her from the airport telling her they witnessed the landing from the terminal. The plane touched down and was hit by lightning at that moment on the top centre of the plane...the tyres burst on impact...and the plane swayed side to side before coming to rest in the ravine and cracking in half. Next that could be seen was flames after about 3 mins. Emergency services were on the scene immediately, but no rescue was viewable from the terminals, so everyone was unaware of the status of the passengers.
Anthony Zanfini, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Gospel according to Air Canada?
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Just heard a news conference with the airport fire chief on CFTR radio. It took 52 seconds for the emergency crews to get to the plane after it went off the runway. He said when they got there 3/4 of the passengers had been evacuated. He also confirmed that the captain was the last to leave.
Nice going Air France!
Nice going Air France!
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
While it is not difficult to understand why some/many people took their on-board luggage....... ( it would be useful indeed if better procedures were in place to reduce the likelihood of pax taking baggage during an evac.
As a sympathetic pax, I would also agree - if the re-issue of PASSPORTS were a non-issue!!