Air France crash at YYZ (Merged)
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GTAA reported 297 pass on board, 14 minor injuries. Aparently all pass got out before the fire broke out.
Not wanting to speculate - but many news people are saying it was hit by lightning and then went off runway.
Now I don't believe that but - IF an A340 was hit by lighting - I would imagine that you would still be able to operate all major systems. Could a 340 driver tell me what a worst case lightning strike would do? (What systems would you lose)
Not wanting to speculate - but many news people are saying it was hit by lightning and then went off runway.
Now I don't believe that but - IF an A340 was hit by lighting - I would imagine that you would still be able to operate all major systems. Could a 340 driver tell me what a worst case lightning strike would do? (What systems would you lose)
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europilot,
What does "A3003 RERA RMK TCU3AC3 " stand for...
A3003 is the QNH 30.03 mmHg
RERA -> REcent RAin
RMK TCU3AC3 -> will pass this one, but seems to be some info regarding cloud type and coverage.
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europilot,
What does "A3003 RERA RMK TCU3AC3 " stand for...
A3003 is the QNH 30.03 mmHg
RERA -> REcent RAin
RMK TCU3AC3 -> will pass this one, but seems to be some info regarding cloud type and coverage.
Salz
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RMK TCU3AC3 - will pass this one, but seems to be some info regarding cloud type and coverage.
Quite correct, translates as:
Remarks, towering cumulus 3/8, altocumulus 3/8
Might stand to be corrected on the denominator, used to be in tenths but I think Canada went to octas some years ago.
Quite correct, translates as:
Remarks, towering cumulus 3/8, altocumulus 3/8
Might stand to be corrected on the denominator, used to be in tenths but I think Canada went to octas some years ago.
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Looks nasty, Glad every seems okay.
Quick question re smoke.. I heard that smoke from carbon fibre/ burning carbon fibre is extremely toxic and carcinogenic.
Is this the case? (not sure of the carbon fibre content of an A340) and if so, would you expect them to shut the major road next to the accident?
Quick question re smoke.. I heard that smoke from carbon fibre/ burning carbon fibre is extremely toxic and carcinogenic.
Is this the case? (not sure of the carbon fibre content of an A340) and if so, would you expect them to shut the major road next to the accident?
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Excellent job to the flight attendents for getting all the pax out alive. As bad as all this is, it was just a beautiful aircraft,no one died.
This crash is a wakeup call and because no one died I fully believe that it is beneficial occurance.
Safety is written in blood, am I wrong?
Please do not pervert what I wrote above.
What do you guys think?
Godspeed to AirFrance,Airbus,the pax and the crew.
This crash is a wakeup call and because no one died I fully believe that it is beneficial occurance.
Safety is written in blood, am I wrong?
Please do not pervert what I wrote above.
What do you guys think?
Godspeed to AirFrance,Airbus,the pax and the crew.
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Quote from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4740381.stm
The A340 has an excellent safety record - with no crashes reported before Tuesday, aircraft expert David Learmount told the BBC.
Seems the lovely (!) Mr Learmount has already been pressed into action....
Jordan
The A340 has an excellent safety record - with no crashes reported before Tuesday, aircraft expert David Learmount told the BBC.
Seems the lovely (!) Mr Learmount has already been pressed into action....
Jordan
CNN just interviewed a PAX on the flight. He said the evac was very fast, although he can't say if it was 90 secs. He did say that the lights went out 1 minute before they touched down. There's also a rumor about a lightening strike, however the pax says he didn't see it.
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MANY SURVIVORS!
CBC & CNN ARE REPORTING THAT THE ENTIRE FLIGHT CREW AND ALL OF THE PASSENGERS SURVIVED, DESPITE NUMEROUS INJURIES, IE, BROKEN LIMBS, ETC. IT WOULD APPEAR AIRBUS'S NEW SAFETY FEATURES WORK!!!HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!!
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What on earth is there in the rear section of the fuselage that could burn for over two hours??
I guess baggage is obvious, but surely there's nothing that flamable used in the construction of a modern aircraft?
I guess baggage is obvious, but surely there's nothing that flamable used in the construction of a modern aircraft?
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From watching the live news reports - it looks like they were simply containing the fire and letting it burn itself out. Probably due to the rough terrain and the fact all the people escaped.
I'm only guessing though - but seems right as they are not putting a full stream of retardent on it - just some small squirts here and there.
I'm only guessing though - but seems right as they are not putting a full stream of retardent on it - just some small squirts here and there.
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http://www.liveatc.net/archive.php
Listen to the CYYZ Archive for 1530 to 1600 hrs, last 10 minutes of the download, ATC and AF358 exchanging normal chit chat regarding last phases of flight.
All appeared noramal.....except.....for the weather. Lots of CB as the above Radar indicates. Possibly a factor.
KLM 691 also declared a Pan Pan Pan just after the go-around, fuel emergency, had enough go-juice to make Syracuse plus 30 minutes.
Listen to the CYYZ Archive for 1530 to 1600 hrs, last 10 minutes of the download, ATC and AF358 exchanging normal chit chat regarding last phases of flight.
All appeared noramal.....except.....for the weather. Lots of CB as the above Radar indicates. Possibly a factor.
KLM 691 also declared a Pan Pan Pan just after the go-around, fuel emergency, had enough go-juice to make Syracuse plus 30 minutes.
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I am wondering ...
if the landing runway is grooved like most rwys in the US. Is there a different wet runway penalty if the runway is grooved/ not grooved?
Does the modern Airbus fleet have some kind of lightning strike detector? I guess it would be easy to find out provided it has such a detector and it has been recorded. The regional airline I fly for had a J-32 that got struck seven times during it's life. It was known as "sparky"
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if the landing runway is grooved like most rwys in the US. Is there a different wet runway penalty if the runway is grooved/ not grooved?
Does the modern Airbus fleet have some kind of lightning strike detector? I guess it would be easy to find out provided it has such a detector and it has been recorded. The regional airline I fly for had a J-32 that got struck seven times during it's life. It was known as "sparky"
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Firstly, thank God all are relatively okay.
Yes, the Airbus has a lightning strike detector!
It goes black and skids off the end of the runway
due to degradation of systems. Then it breaks
up and burns to destruction, if thats not enough
indication of a lightning strike, perhaps another
computer should be fitted.
It could warn that the above is about to occur!
Yes, the Airbus has a lightning strike detector!
It goes black and skids off the end of the runway
due to degradation of systems. Then it breaks
up and burns to destruction, if thats not enough
indication of a lightning strike, perhaps another
computer should be fitted.
It could warn that the above is about to occur!
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Wow! Interesting! So you already know that a lightning strike caused the accident. Tell us more about things we don't know ...
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I must say that the pax and crew are very lucky, even considering the fact that they just been in an accident of no minor magnitude.
If it was any other runway at YYZ, especially 23 that is normally used for arrivals such as AF, the aircraft would have ended up skidding past a major road or highway, pissibly crushing a few cars and a gas station, then into some industrial buildings.
Perhaps this is a miracle that everyone survived, after seeing the pictures of the burning wreckage.
If it was any other runway at YYZ, especially 23 that is normally used for arrivals such as AF, the aircraft would have ended up skidding past a major road or highway, pissibly crushing a few cars and a gas station, then into some industrial buildings.
Perhaps this is a miracle that everyone survived, after seeing the pictures of the burning wreckage.
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Stupid Stupid reporters...Paula Zahn said 'This is the first crash of an A340'
Wrong Paula!
This plane didnt crash...
It was simply a runway excursion gone awry...
The word CrAsH has a better impact to it I guess.
I know the above is a moot point but just that simple
word can severly affect AirFrance,Airbus and temporarily, aviation as a whole.
why cant these stupid reporters just leave us alone.
Wrong Paula!
This plane didnt crash...
It was simply a runway excursion gone awry...
The word CrAsH has a better impact to it I guess.
I know the above is a moot point but just that simple
word can severly affect AirFrance,Airbus and temporarily, aviation as a whole.
why cant these stupid reporters just leave us alone.