Double Pilot Incapacitation, EZY
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Getting sick on crewfood and having to pay for it through crewfood reduction from salary?
I'd rather not pay it, and bring my own.. Seeing as most of it is rubbish anyway!
I'd rather not pay it, and bring my own.. Seeing as most of it is rubbish anyway!
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Agree with morning glory. Sometimes bringing your own is the best! You will always eat something you like rather then what somebody else think you should like at the minimal expense! 
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Not to mention the peanuts - so named because they've been touched by so many people who didn't wash their hands after using the toilet.
Here in downtown China, even in the sleeziest of back street bars, one is usually provided with a set of chopsticks to access the peanuts. (An interesting exercise in-itself after the fifth bottle of Tsingtao) It would be regarded as extremely uncouth to use one's fingers.
The usual sanitary facilities provided in the same establishment are also however, interesting!
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Dani:
Nonsence Dani!!! YOU obviously don't know why... The reason for not eating at the same time is because the symptoms food poisening can show very severely and very quickly. (within 20 mins as Rollingthunder said correctly) Just read the relevant chapter in ANY JAR OPS OM! The reason for not eating at the same time is both to avoid a simultaneous double incapacitation and also to have someone at the controls in case of an RA, engine failure etc...
Speaking of professionalism and crewfood: EZY caterers frequently load the same crewfood leaving the crew very little (or no) choice of what to eat.
Furthermore with the EZY rosters, schedules and workload, planning to have a crewmeal, whilst respecting the limitations of not eating at the same time, can be very very difficult.
To be honest, I sometimes 'bust' the above rule when flying, simply because I weigh the risks of operating on reduced capacity (i.e. without any food in my stomach) versus the very slight risk of foodpoisoning.
p.s. it's always good to have some of those charcoal tablets against diarrhea in your crewbag!
The purpose of not eating the same is avoiding food poisoning. The purpose of not eating at the same time is avoiding distraction from flying, and most of all talking to ATC. It's amazing that some professional pilots here seem to follow rules but not knowing why...
Speaking of professionalism and crewfood: EZY caterers frequently load the same crewfood leaving the crew very little (or no) choice of what to eat.
Furthermore with the EZY rosters, schedules and workload, planning to have a crewmeal, whilst respecting the limitations of not eating at the same time, can be very very difficult.
To be honest, I sometimes 'bust' the above rule when flying, simply because I weigh the risks of operating on reduced capacity (i.e. without any food in my stomach) versus the very slight risk of foodpoisoning.
p.s. it's always good to have some of those charcoal tablets against diarrhea in your crewbag!
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time to food poisoning
To get some clarification on food poisoning:
Food poisoning can be caused by various microorganisms including viruses - with various symptoms. They will typically manifest as a mixture of nausea, vomiting, fever, abdominal pain and diarrhea. However, some foodborne diseases may have other symptoms. Botulism and some types of shellfish poisoning can present with paralysis, hepatitis A or E with hepatitis and Listeria monocytogenes with meningitis or spontaneous abortion.
Pathogens can either produce toxins a) already in the food (usually rapid onset of clinical signs within 1 to 6 hours or so), b) once they have been ingested (takes longer so symptoms occur later, i.e. after 24 hrs., Cholera is a typical example) or c) they can cause disease by either damaging the epithelial cell surface or by actually invading across the intestinal epithelial cell barrier. This group of pathogens can produce a wide spectrum of clinical presentations
Vomiting, nausea and abdominal cramps, fever and/or diarrhea are common symptoms. S. aureus toxin is heat-stable and is often associated with the consumption of foods prepared by a food handler.
Conclusion: it can start very fast within an hour or so (or on the next day). Better keep this in mind, as it makes sense not to eat the same stuff in the same strange sushi bar the night before...
And no, I am not a pilot but yes I am a physician.
Regards
Food poisoning can be caused by various microorganisms including viruses - with various symptoms. They will typically manifest as a mixture of nausea, vomiting, fever, abdominal pain and diarrhea. However, some foodborne diseases may have other symptoms. Botulism and some types of shellfish poisoning can present with paralysis, hepatitis A or E with hepatitis and Listeria monocytogenes with meningitis or spontaneous abortion.
Pathogens can either produce toxins a) already in the food (usually rapid onset of clinical signs within 1 to 6 hours or so), b) once they have been ingested (takes longer so symptoms occur later, i.e. after 24 hrs., Cholera is a typical example) or c) they can cause disease by either damaging the epithelial cell surface or by actually invading across the intestinal epithelial cell barrier. This group of pathogens can produce a wide spectrum of clinical presentations
Vomiting, nausea and abdominal cramps, fever and/or diarrhea are common symptoms. S. aureus toxin is heat-stable and is often associated with the consumption of foods prepared by a food handler.
Conclusion: it can start very fast within an hour or so (or on the next day). Better keep this in mind, as it makes sense not to eat the same stuff in the same strange sushi bar the night before...
And no, I am not a pilot but yes I am a physician.
Regards
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p.s. it's always good to have some of those charcoal tablets against diarrhea in your crewbag!
Have you no consideration at all for your crew? Leave the crewbag behind, for God's sake! Doesn't bear thinking about! And what good would charcoal tablets do, anyway?
p.s. it's always good to have some of those charcoal tablets against diarrhea in your crewbag!
Have you no consideration at all for your crew? Leave the crewbag behind, for God's sake! Doesn't bear thinking about! And what good would charcoal tablets do, anyway?
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Have personally witnessed crew incap from food.
FE took approx 10 minutes to go from a healthy (if stunningly unattractive - sorry Mort!!) individual, to a quivering white lump of jelly hurling chunks of the offending snack into the bag.
Fortuantely he recovered fairly quickly after a few good hurls, but the speed at which it overcame him was insane. We had trouble getting the trolly dolly's to visit forthe rest of the sector, wasn't the prettiest smell..... .
Regards
FE took approx 10 minutes to go from a healthy (if stunningly unattractive - sorry Mort!!) individual, to a quivering white lump of jelly hurling chunks of the offending snack into the bag.
Fortuantely he recovered fairly quickly after a few good hurls, but the speed at which it overcame him was insane. We had trouble getting the trolly dolly's to visit forthe rest of the sector, wasn't the prettiest smell..... .
Regards
Ive had it once at work - after a 4am signon - and scoffing down a Thai Chicken Curry crew meal for breakfast (evidently the same meals we had served the pax the night before for dinner - but dished up as brekky) - was at the back of the fokker having just got my cart set up for a 8am service to brisbane, 3rd sector with another 2 to go after that. Got two rows into the service from the back, was pale, shaky on my feet, and beginning to sweat and see 4 passengers where there were really only 2. The seatbelt sign was still on, and we were going up very steep - and the weather was hot and stormy outside - bumpy. Then my stomache grumbled so loud you could hear it over the sound of the engines down the back, and I thought - uh oh - so i let the brake go- the trolley rolled down the back and slammed into the crew seats. I parked it, opened the loo door, and without a second to spare - ive never lost so much weight in a minute before.
I tidied myself up, and went back into the cabin to see about 20 heads all turned around looking at me with horrified looks - seems they had heard my hurling.
Needless to say, I didnt sell one item of food, and it was a very quick service. I didnt get any better, and for the rest of the flight was running back and forth every 5mins to lose some more weight.
Got off the plane in bne, they found someone else to do my last two sectors, and ended up passing out in the taxi on the way to the hotel.
They dragged me up to my room - where i continued to lose weight. Unfortunately after a while I realised the bedside spew bucket which was the bin, I had been using, was a wicker basket - MESSY.
They came up to check on me - I couldnt move - they called a relative who lived nearby, and they drove me to hospital - where I spent a few hours on a drip and on some fantastic medication!
Got back to the hotel, 3 hrs later was at work again, although much wiser about ever eating thai chicken curry.
I tidied myself up, and went back into the cabin to see about 20 heads all turned around looking at me with horrified looks - seems they had heard my hurling.
Needless to say, I didnt sell one item of food, and it was a very quick service. I didnt get any better, and for the rest of the flight was running back and forth every 5mins to lose some more weight.
Got off the plane in bne, they found someone else to do my last two sectors, and ended up passing out in the taxi on the way to the hotel.
They dragged me up to my room - where i continued to lose weight. Unfortunately after a while I realised the bedside spew bucket which was the bin, I had been using, was a wicker basket - MESSY.
They came up to check on me - I couldnt move - they called a relative who lived nearby, and they drove me to hospital - where I spent a few hours on a drip and on some fantastic medication!
Got back to the hotel, 3 hrs later was at work again, although much wiser about ever eating thai chicken curry.
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As the thread seemed to be started with the sole aim of heaping opprobrium on easyJet, as is the poster's wont, I just wondered how BOTW was feeling after seeing the thread drift off to the general subject of food poisoning?
So, in the interests of keeping the thread on subject, let me say that I have also experienced the effects of such poisoning.
The culprit was a well-known pub close to a church tower near Gatwick Airport, much frequented by night stopping crews. Dinner was taken, along with a modicum of alcohol.
The next morning before we left, we lost the first of our cabin crew, replaced by a standby. About one hour into the flight to Tenerife the second cabin crew succumbed to the same symptoms. On the ground in Tenerife, the FO fell ill and spent the whole of the turn-around on the toilet. Faced with this situation, the Captain called for a complete replacement crew to be flown to Tenerife to rescue the flight. The company, naturally enough, wanted to replace just the sick crewmembers. The Captain insisted, fortunately. Lo and behold, within a few hours, the rest of the crew suffered similar symptoms, to varying degrees.
The time from eating to the onset of the symptoms varied from around nine hours to fourteeen hours or so. The Captain was the last to suffer, probably because his gut has seen the most abuse!
The pub in question has been mentioned to me on many occasions as the source of such illness and should, in my opinion, be avoided at all costs!
So, in the interests of keeping the thread on subject, let me say that I have also experienced the effects of such poisoning.
The culprit was a well-known pub close to a church tower near Gatwick Airport, much frequented by night stopping crews. Dinner was taken, along with a modicum of alcohol.
The next morning before we left, we lost the first of our cabin crew, replaced by a standby. About one hour into the flight to Tenerife the second cabin crew succumbed to the same symptoms. On the ground in Tenerife, the FO fell ill and spent the whole of the turn-around on the toilet. Faced with this situation, the Captain called for a complete replacement crew to be flown to Tenerife to rescue the flight. The company, naturally enough, wanted to replace just the sick crewmembers. The Captain insisted, fortunately. Lo and behold, within a few hours, the rest of the crew suffered similar symptoms, to varying degrees.
The time from eating to the onset of the symptoms varied from around nine hours to fourteeen hours or so. The Captain was the last to suffer, probably because his gut has seen the most abuse!
The pub in question has been mentioned to me on many occasions as the source of such illness and should, in my opinion, be avoided at all costs!
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just to add, ive just recovering after suffering from food poisoning 'campylobacter', 1 week in hospital and 2 weeks off work. This bug is caused by undercooked chicken and symptoms (nausea/vomiting/diarreah) come to light 2-5 days after eating the infected food. 
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One of the problems of short haul is the the very short period of time in the cruise when the crew can eat e.g. Luton - Edinburgh and Luton - Glasgow. Therefore on these flights the crew have to eat, if not at the same time, very close together. When you have 5 sector days with such short flights the symptoms of food poisoning can appear at any time on any of the sectors.
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It's not wise to make such a statement unless you are 100% sure of your facts. Our ops manual states that there should be a minimum of one hour between pilots eating their meals (as well as the meals being different). This is clearly not for the reasons that you give.
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It's amazing that some professional pilots here follow rules but not knowing why
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One of the most common sources of food poisoning is from uncooked foods - starters and desserts.
Paticularly problematic are things containing mayonnaise cream or cookede rice, paticularly in summer time as the food can spend a prolonged period at warm temperatures before being consumed.
BE careful out there. They're all out to get you.
Paticularly problematic are things containing mayonnaise cream or cookede rice, paticularly in summer time as the food can spend a prolonged period at warm temperatures before being consumed.
BE careful out there. They're all out to get you.
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The crew canteen in Liege is used by about 30 TNT freight crews each night between 01:00 and 04:00 with one main hot choice or horse.
It is only a matter of time. Nice choice of ice-cream though!
It is only a matter of time. Nice choice of ice-cream though!
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