BIMAN DC-10 accident
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7...0500020001.htm
Passengers safe as Bangladesh plane skids off runway
Farid Ahmed, Indo-Asian News Service
Dhaka, July 1, 2005|16:55 IST
Almost 200 passengers on board a Bangladesh Biman aircraft had a narrow escape after the plane skidded off the runway at the airport in the southeastern port city of Chittagong Friday, officials said.
The DC-10 aircraft of the Biman Bangladesh Airlines was coming from Dubai and was to fly to Dhaka via Chittagong.
As it was preparing to land at the airport in Chittagong, one of its wings caught fire, causing the plane to skid off the runway on landing, a senior official at the airport told IANS.
The passengers and crew were evacuated safely from the plane, officials said adding a few sustained slight injuries.
"The aircraft probably got caught in the inclement weather and skidded off the runway," a Biman official said.
"The fire was brought under control immediately and the passengers were taken out of the aircraft safely through the emergency exits," he said.
Passengers safe as Bangladesh plane skids off runway
Farid Ahmed, Indo-Asian News Service
Dhaka, July 1, 2005|16:55 IST
Almost 200 passengers on board a Bangladesh Biman aircraft had a narrow escape after the plane skidded off the runway at the airport in the southeastern port city of Chittagong Friday, officials said.
The DC-10 aircraft of the Biman Bangladesh Airlines was coming from Dubai and was to fly to Dhaka via Chittagong.
As it was preparing to land at the airport in Chittagong, one of its wings caught fire, causing the plane to skid off the runway on landing, a senior official at the airport told IANS.
The passengers and crew were evacuated safely from the plane, officials said adding a few sustained slight injuries.
"The aircraft probably got caught in the inclement weather and skidded off the runway," a Biman official said.
"The fire was brought under control immediately and the passengers were taken out of the aircraft safely through the emergency exits," he said.
Well, thanks be to God, no one was injured. I flew the original Biman DC-10s ('CO, 'CP and 'CQ) twenty years ago and it was a very happy experience. The aircraft came from SIA and were beautifully maintained by KLM everywhere we went and Swissair did all the heavy maintenance at Zurich.
I saw one of them recently in Brussels headed for New York and she looked as good as ever. Am I right in saying that this is the first major incident that a Biman DC-10 has been involved in? If so, it is a remarkable record.
The Bangladeshis were good people to fly with and had a pretty sharp sense of humour.
From one of my F/Os; "What do you call a Bangladeshi in London who doesn't own a grocers shop"?
"Doctor"!
I saw one of them recently in Brussels headed for New York and she looked as good as ever. Am I right in saying that this is the first major incident that a Biman DC-10 has been involved in? If so, it is a remarkable record.
The Bangladeshis were good people to fly with and had a pretty sharp sense of humour.
From one of my F/Os; "What do you call a Bangladeshi in London who doesn't own a grocers shop"?
"Doctor"!
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JW411 afraid not ACP? ran off the runway in DAC in the 90's
As for the what do you call the Bangla could be an Indian restaurant owner since they run the majority of curry houses in UK
Interesting to see if it was crewed by Indo ex-pats from Garuda. Who may have not been used to the monsoon season of Bangladesh.
But what ever good news all walked away. Wonder if this will delay the delivery of the 777
As for the what do you call the Bangla could be an Indian restaurant owner since they run the majority of curry houses in UK
Interesting to see if it was crewed by Indo ex-pats from Garuda. Who may have not been used to the monsoon season of Bangladesh.
But what ever good news all walked away. Wonder if this will delay the delivery of the 777
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Engineer:
Thanks for that; 'CP was my favourite of the three. As you say, flying in the monsoon can be pretty interesting. I can remember one occasion when the storms were so bad that two of the DC-10s parked at Dhaka were blown out of their chocks and turned through 90° as neat as a whistle withouth touching anything or one another!
Was 'CP repaired after the overrun?
PS: You are quite right; all of my favourite curry shops are run by Bangladeshis and most of them seem to come from Sylhet.
Thanks for that; 'CP was my favourite of the three. As you say, flying in the monsoon can be pretty interesting. I can remember one occasion when the storms were so bad that two of the DC-10s parked at Dhaka were blown out of their chocks and turned through 90° as neat as a whistle withouth touching anything or one another!
Was 'CP repaired after the overrun?
PS: You are quite right; all of my favourite curry shops are run by Bangladeshis and most of them seem to come from Sylhet.
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Repaired yes
As for the North Easters still causing havoc. In 2002 lifted a F28 which took the tail out on a A310. F28 written off 310 repaired.
As usual lessons in Biman are never learnt
As for the Sylheti from London in Bangla he is called Londonis if my memory serves me right 
Repaired yes
As for the North Easters still causing havoc. In 2002 lifted a F28 which took the tail out on a A310. F28 written off 310 repaired.
As usual lessons in Biman are never learnt
As for the Sylheti from London in Bangla he is called Londonis
if my memory serves me right
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Reminds me - I was sat in Dhaka one Saturday evening years ago, in the 70's. We were expecting Pete R in from Singapore aboard a Biman 707. I thought I'd call the airport to get an ETA. When I mentioned the flight number the young lady simply said 'The passengers are alive and well', and slammed the 'phone down.
Turns out that said 707 had lifted off from Paya Lebar Singapore with just enough fuel to get to their next stop, Kuala Lumpur, about 40 minutes away.
They rotated and got to about 400 feet when all four quit as the fuel pumps became uncovered. The gear was up by then but the aircraft came down on the runway, light as a feather. Pete R reckoned he wouldn't have known he was back on the ground if it hadn’t been for the graunching noises. They stopped on the grass and everything went very quite. Pete decided to go forward to the flight deck. He got to the door and opened it. All three seats empty; DV windows open with ropes.
Peter decided to do things himself and I've still got this mental picture of him shepherding 60 or so Bengalis across Paya Lebar runway, to the coffee shop.
In the dark it took the crash crews 20 minutes to find the aircraft. The boss of the DCA went on record as saying 'We'd have found it very quickly had it been on fire'.
Pity about the Flight Engineer. He was found dead on the parapet of the crew hotel next morning with 'injuries inconsistent with a fall'.
Turns out that said 707 had lifted off from Paya Lebar Singapore with just enough fuel to get to their next stop, Kuala Lumpur, about 40 minutes away.
They rotated and got to about 400 feet when all four quit as the fuel pumps became uncovered. The gear was up by then but the aircraft came down on the runway, light as a feather. Pete R reckoned he wouldn't have known he was back on the ground if it hadn’t been for the graunching noises. They stopped on the grass and everything went very quite. Pete decided to go forward to the flight deck. He got to the door and opened it. All three seats empty; DV windows open with ropes.
Peter decided to do things himself and I've still got this mental picture of him shepherding 60 or so Bengalis across Paya Lebar runway, to the coffee shop.
In the dark it took the crash crews 20 minutes to find the aircraft. The boss of the DCA went on record as saying 'We'd have found it very quickly had it been on fire'.
Pity about the Flight Engineer. He was found dead on the parapet of the crew hotel next morning with 'injuries inconsistent with a fall'.
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>>JW411 afraid not ACP? ran off the runway in DAC in the 90's
I remember seeing that one, went off the end and was bowing to Mekkah with the nosegear collapsed. I think there were no significant injuries. Seems like it was 1993 or 1994. Was it the monsoon or the thick layer of fog at sunrise that caused this? I have fond memories of both phenomena while landing at DAC...
I remember seeing that one, went off the end and was bowing to Mekkah with the nosegear collapsed. I think there were no significant injuries. Seems like it was 1993 or 1994. Was it the monsoon or the thick layer of fog at sunrise that caused this? I have fond memories of both phenomena while landing at DAC...
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My father (now no longer with us) was Chief Flight Engineer Inspector with ICAO attached to the Bangladesh CAA and Biman in the mid 80's. He was involved with the B707 and Dc10. I do remember a number of the recollections he had of his experiences with Biman. He wrote a book about his career in aviation and there is a chapter on his time with Biman which is most enlightenining.
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Accident has hit the newspapers in Bangladesh
Think this one is a write off
More pictures here Reg mooted as S2-ADN ex CP aircraft on lease from US leasing company Pegasus
Think this one is a write off
More pictures here Reg mooted as S2-ADN ex CP aircraft on lease from US leasing company Pegasus
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From the Bangladesh Observer ...
"It is learnt from a number of unofficial sources that the captain of the Dhaka-bound flight BG048 sought landing clearance from the control tower of Shah Amanat International Airport at about 8:40 a.m.
Control tower officials denied clearance on the grounds of poor visibility. But, the captain of the aircraft ignored control tower’s instruction and decided to land."
Oh dear.... shame, one of the few if only DC-10's seen at LHR now
"It is learnt from a number of unofficial sources that the captain of the Dhaka-bound flight BG048 sought landing clearance from the control tower of Shah Amanat International Airport at about 8:40 a.m.
Control tower officials denied clearance on the grounds of poor visibility. But, the captain of the aircraft ignored control tower’s instruction and decided to land."
Oh dear.... shame, one of the few if only DC-10's seen at LHR now
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RWY IS OPENED FM 011300 UTC. 6500FT RWY IS AVBL FM THR RWY-23 DUE DISABLED ACFT DC-10. POSITION OF THE ACFT IS 2500FT FM THR RWY-05 AND AROUND 7300 FT FROM THR RWY-23 ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE RWY AND LEFT WING OF THE ACFT IS OVER THE SHOLDER, HIGHT APPROX 15FT 01 JUL 13:00 UNTIL 10 JUL 16:00 ESTIMATED
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Biman DC10 Ops this, or something like it, was inevitable
When I returned last year from a year of DC10 operations as a flight engineer I wrote a report for the CAA expressing my worries about the standards of operation.
If you are prepared to identify yourself to me I am willing to give you sight of it.
It was originally posted under CHIRP, but since it is SO obvious who had written it, then any confidentiality is well gone.
I will however remove the actual names of the crew members but will make no other changes.
Contact me initally by private message if you are really interested. I will insist that you have verifiable identity.
If you are prepared to identify yourself to me I am willing to give you sight of it.
It was originally posted under CHIRP, but since it is SO obvious who had written it, then any confidentiality is well gone.
I will however remove the actual names of the crew members but will make no other changes.
Contact me initally by private message if you are really interested. I will insist that you have verifiable identity.
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Looks like some serious finger wagging and pointing going on in Bangladesh article reproduced below
Pilots, flight engineer suspended
Rescue work may start today, domestic flights resume
Staff Correspondent
The government yesterday removed Captain Selim from the post of chief of safety after he crash-landed the DC-10 aircraft in Chittagong on Friday and also suspended him, the co-pilot and the flight engineer.
Sources at Biman Bangladesh Airlines said Captain Selim, First Officer Captain Rezwan and the Indonesian flight engineer have been suspended.
The Biman flight, BG-048, flyinng from Dubai with 215 people on board belly-landed and skidded off the runway at Shah Amanat International Airport at 8:40am on Friday "due to technical glitch".
A source said Captain Selim's lack of expertise in landing the aircraft "has been proven". Officials at the flight operation tower in Chittagong had repeatedly told him to correct the position of the aircraft that was not in the right position for landing, the source added.
The rescue work of the aircraft could not begin until yesterday afternoon in absence of representatives from the supplier of the aircraft, US aviation firm Pegasus, and the Singapore-based insurance company, who were expected at the scene of the crash by yesterday morning, sources said.
However, the rescue operations may start if the firms gave their go-ahead.
The five-member committee formed to find the cause of the accident yesterday got down to business. It has collected blood samples of the pilots within six hours of the incident on Friday to examine presence of alcohol in their blood.
According to sources, Captain Selim took off from Dubai for Dhaka via Chittagong although as the captain of the flight he did not have enough experience to fly such aircraft.
Allegations are there that he had been binge-drinking when not on duty and the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (Caab) did not take any action against him despite having been informed of the excesses.
On February 2 last year, a written complaint was lodged against Captain Selim where it was said that if he was allowed to fly, accidents could occur any time. But Caab did not act against him this time too, sources said.
Domestic flight operations at Chittagong airport, meanwhile, resumed yesterday, some 28 hours into the accident, with three Biman and as many GMG flights taking off. The first Biman flight, scheduled for an 8:20am take-off, left at 1:24pm, while the other two departed at 3:33pm and 6:10pm.
International flights were unlikely to start before late this afternoon, airport sources said.
Inspection of the damaged aircraft is complete and rescuers from army, airforce, Chittagong Port Authority (CPA) and railway have been kept ready to start the rescue operation at any time.
The armed forces would run the rescue operations, while railway and CPA would provide the logistics. The logistics required to remove the aircraft might not be needed if it is declared completely damaged. In that case, the aircraft would be dismantled, the sources added.
Taking into account DD's post above it would appear that the old adage where there is smoke there is fire may apply
Pilots, flight engineer suspended
Rescue work may start today, domestic flights resume
Staff Correspondent
The government yesterday removed Captain Selim from the post of chief of safety after he crash-landed the DC-10 aircraft in Chittagong on Friday and also suspended him, the co-pilot and the flight engineer.
Sources at Biman Bangladesh Airlines said Captain Selim, First Officer Captain Rezwan and the Indonesian flight engineer have been suspended.
The Biman flight, BG-048, flyinng from Dubai with 215 people on board belly-landed and skidded off the runway at Shah Amanat International Airport at 8:40am on Friday "due to technical glitch".
A source said Captain Selim's lack of expertise in landing the aircraft "has been proven". Officials at the flight operation tower in Chittagong had repeatedly told him to correct the position of the aircraft that was not in the right position for landing, the source added.
The rescue work of the aircraft could not begin until yesterday afternoon in absence of representatives from the supplier of the aircraft, US aviation firm Pegasus, and the Singapore-based insurance company, who were expected at the scene of the crash by yesterday morning, sources said.
However, the rescue operations may start if the firms gave their go-ahead.
The five-member committee formed to find the cause of the accident yesterday got down to business. It has collected blood samples of the pilots within six hours of the incident on Friday to examine presence of alcohol in their blood.
According to sources, Captain Selim took off from Dubai for Dhaka via Chittagong although as the captain of the flight he did not have enough experience to fly such aircraft.
Allegations are there that he had been binge-drinking when not on duty and the Civil Aviation Authority of Bangladesh (Caab) did not take any action against him despite having been informed of the excesses.
On February 2 last year, a written complaint was lodged against Captain Selim where it was said that if he was allowed to fly, accidents could occur any time. But Caab did not act against him this time too, sources said.
Domestic flight operations at Chittagong airport, meanwhile, resumed yesterday, some 28 hours into the accident, with three Biman and as many GMG flights taking off. The first Biman flight, scheduled for an 8:20am take-off, left at 1:24pm, while the other two departed at 3:33pm and 6:10pm.
International flights were unlikely to start before late this afternoon, airport sources said.
Inspection of the damaged aircraft is complete and rescuers from army, airforce, Chittagong Port Authority (CPA) and railway have been kept ready to start the rescue operation at any time.
The armed forces would run the rescue operations, while railway and CPA would provide the logistics. The logistics required to remove the aircraft might not be needed if it is declared completely damaged. In that case, the aircraft would be dismantled, the sources added.
Taking into account DD's post above it would appear that the old adage where there is smoke there is fire may apply
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The above article
Irrespective of the findings of this particular enquiry, I have flown with Captain Selim several times and had no misgivings about his experience or handling ability in those flights, in fact it was exemplary.
My report to the CAAB was clear that an ATTITUDE pervaded amongst certain Biman captains that they were invulnerable and inviolable. I named some names and this gentleman was not amongst them.
As for reports on 2nd Feb against him (by name), I hope is not a misquote of my report to the UK CAA and the Bangladesh CAAB, because (once more irrespective of the result) there are far worse than him flying within that company. They just DO NOT BELIEVE IT CAN HAPPEN TO THEM.
There are committed personnel within Biman who are desperate to introduce CRM and good management but who are powerless to act against a cadre of the self-serving, corrupt and well politically-connected.
It is to them I offer my sympathy and my support. Sadly I predicted this accident or one like very soon after I left. The photograph above is eloquent enough.
When a crew member calls for a Go Around FOUR times during an approach where the ROD got to 1500 fpm at 200 feet radio and is ignored by both pilots - one a trainer, it does not give one any confidence at all. Retrospectively, it was agreed a GA should have been carried out, perhaps that was the case here - we don't know.
It is inappropriate to comment on specifics here because the facts are not known and what is known is conflicting.
But as litmus paper to indicate the ethos of some of the crews it may well confirm a sad story.
I must admit I agonised long and hard before submitting the report in the first place and to some extent 'coming out of the woodwork' here. But as I said in the report :
"Biman as a company, do NOT wish to hear these observations. They have been flying this aircraft for 20 years and there’s nothing they need to learn about it and its operation. I truly hope that they are correct. If they are wrong, I fear it won’t be long before deaths result."
Thank whichever God you believe in everybody got out of this one.
My report to the CAAB was clear that an ATTITUDE pervaded amongst certain Biman captains that they were invulnerable and inviolable. I named some names and this gentleman was not amongst them.
As for reports on 2nd Feb against him (by name), I hope is not a misquote of my report to the UK CAA and the Bangladesh CAAB, because (once more irrespective of the result) there are far worse than him flying within that company. They just DO NOT BELIEVE IT CAN HAPPEN TO THEM.
There are committed personnel within Biman who are desperate to introduce CRM and good management but who are powerless to act against a cadre of the self-serving, corrupt and well politically-connected.
It is to them I offer my sympathy and my support. Sadly I predicted this accident or one like very soon after I left. The photograph above is eloquent enough.
When a crew member calls for a Go Around FOUR times during an approach where the ROD got to 1500 fpm at 200 feet radio and is ignored by both pilots - one a trainer, it does not give one any confidence at all. Retrospectively, it was agreed a GA should have been carried out, perhaps that was the case here - we don't know.
It is inappropriate to comment on specifics here because the facts are not known and what is known is conflicting.
But as litmus paper to indicate the ethos of some of the crews it may well confirm a sad story.
I must admit I agonised long and hard before submitting the report in the first place and to some extent 'coming out of the woodwork' here. But as I said in the report :
"Biman as a company, do NOT wish to hear these observations. They have been flying this aircraft for 20 years and there’s nothing they need to learn about it and its operation. I truly hope that they are correct. If they are wrong, I fear it won’t be long before deaths result."
Thank whichever God you believe in everybody got out of this one.
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Like JW411, I flew for Biman some twenty years ago on the DC10.
I too found the crews to be a great bunch and feel sad to see the photograph of their DC10 in the mud.
Thankfully, no one hurt.
I too found the crews to be a great bunch and feel sad to see the photograph of their DC10 in the mud.
Thankfully, no one hurt.
