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Leaked as such may not be the right expression. The Police Press bearu often inform the Press about incidents or arrests, it happens to all sorts of case, and I would guess is part of the 'keep the press happy and they will help us theory'. Before you leap down my throat I am not defending it, its just the way it is.
There are other routes it can get there of course, the airline itself, ground staff...you have to remember that the major airports have thier own resident press who have contacts everywhere.
Leaked as such may not be the right expression. The Police Press bearu often inform the Press about incidents or arrests, it happens to all sorts of case, and I would guess is part of the 'keep the press happy and they will help us theory'. Before you leap down my throat I am not defending it, its just the way it is.
There are other routes it can get there of course, the airline itself, ground staff...you have to remember that the major airports have thier own resident press who have contacts everywhere.
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Don't forget that you are talking about a 51 year old man, who I think knows the results and implications of it's acts. He is responsable, and I'm not sorry for him. Neather thinking that he have more than 20 years flying, family, etc.... no excuses.
Good job to the police and also congratulations to the guy who detect him and report him.
Good job to the police and also congratulations to the guy who detect him and report him.
Just a numbered other
At last and at least the BBC put the word 'drunken' in quotes.
He was still under the drink drive limit, and probably felt fine.
I'm not defending the man, but I find others' glee at his fate distasteful.
Prison will help no-one, he'll suffer enough from his loss of job.
He was still under the drink drive limit, and probably felt fine.
I'm not defending the man, but I find others' glee at his fate distasteful.
Prison will help no-one, he'll suffer enough from his loss of job.
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Just a small point....
If the plod had carried out a breath test on the pilot, then presumably they were using the standard pass / warn/ fail handheld unit, which, again presumably, was calibrated for the UK driving limit (80mg/l from memory) If this was the case, the pilot would have passed this test - so why was he arrested?
No conspiracy theory - just a thought...
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If the plod had carried out a breath test on the pilot, then presumably they were using the standard pass / warn/ fail handheld unit, which, again presumably, was calibrated for the UK driving limit (80mg/l from memory) If this was the case, the pilot would have passed this test - so why was he arrested?
No conspiracy theory - just a thought...
Cheers,
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Having 'hopped over' from a link in another forum, there was 'nothing obvious' I apologise for not reading all nine pages first but theres no need to be snotty....
So I can now safely assume that airport plod have different equipment to 'rest of UK' plod - thanks for the info - I think...
Cheers,
10forcash
So I can now safely assume that airport plod have different equipment to 'rest of UK' plod - thanks for the info - I think...
Cheers,
10forcash
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No one is full of 'glee' over it. Yes its very sad, but he was a preffessional, he knew the rules and he broke them. Same as any other criminal offence he has been caught and is due punishment, which he is now getting. I will say that 6 months is a bit harsh, but then its a new law and an example has to be set.
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breath test machines are available that give a read out rather then the traffic light readings.
No one is full of 'glee' over it. Yes its very sad, but he was a preffessional, he knew the rules and he broke them. Same as any other criminal offence he has been caught and is due punishment, which he is now getting. I will say that 6 months is a bit harsh, but then its a new law and an example has to be set.
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breath test machines are available that give a read out rather then the traffic light readings.
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Well said. the guy was under the DD limit and hardly pissed out of his mind.
I hope his life isn't ruined for ever. He made a mistake and now has to reside with society's finest for 4 months or so. God help him.
Heathrow Director.
If you think that's a light sentence you are misguided IMHO
If you ever make a mistake and end up in court I hope the judge that you get the judge you obviosly wish for him.
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Well said. the guy was under the DD limit and hardly pissed out of his mind.
I hope his life isn't ruined for ever. He made a mistake and now has to reside with society's finest for 4 months or so. God help him.
Heathrow Director.
If you think that's a light sentence you are misguided IMHO
If you ever make a mistake and end up in court I hope the judge that you get the judge you obviosly wish for him.
NN
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Hi Normal(?) Nigel.. You sound too much of an incomparably ignorant, foul-mouthed individual to be a pilot, but I guess it takes all sorts.
I have suffered from having a near relative killed and 4 relatives severely injured by drunken drivers. I hope to God that neither you, nor anyone else with your stupid views, has to suffer similarly.
I have NO sympathy with anyone who drives ANY vehicle whilst over the limit... I don't care if he's a train driver, bus driver or airline captain. It could be YOUR wife or YOUR kids behind someone like that......
I have suffered from having a near relative killed and 4 relatives severely injured by drunken drivers. I hope to God that neither you, nor anyone else with your stupid views, has to suffer similarly.
I have NO sympathy with anyone who drives ANY vehicle whilst over the limit... I don't care if he's a train driver, bus driver or airline captain. It could be YOUR wife or YOUR kids behind someone like that......
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Heathrow Director, as someone who has had to deal with the mess and heartache caused by stupid, selfish, drunken idiots I wholeheartedly agree with you. One death at the hands of one of these alcohol-fuelled people is one too many. The same also applies to those who drive under the influence of drugs. There is no excuse. It's not as though this was some little known regulation sneaked in thriugh the back door, it is well known and well publicised. Anyone who drinks and drives, flies, sails etc is a menace. How much more evidence to people need that alcohol, even in small quantities, affects judgement? I am well aware that people get away with this on a daily basis but that in no way justifies their actions.
Nigel, you owe HD an apology for your offensive name calling which was hardly professional behaviour.
Nigel, you owe HD an apology for your offensive name calling which was hardly professional behaviour.
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Thanks for your well constructed and logical points. Like DX Wombat, I think you owe HD an apology.
The sentence of 6 months is 1/4 of the maximum, so it could be said that this pilot was sentenced heavily. Would you be quite so venomous had it been a bus driver? He has probably got 6 months because he is supposed to be inteligent, well versed in safety, and in a responsible position in society, in other words, he should have known better.
He is a forgien national, so as I understand it he will serve 6 months, not 4.
One mistake? Do you know that it was one mistake? Or has he made a few others? You don't know, nor do I.
Yes, he was under the drink drive limit, however he was not convicted of drinking and driving.
HD is entitled to his opinon, just as you are....
Thanks for your well constructed and logical points. Like DX Wombat, I think you owe HD an apology.
The sentence of 6 months is 1/4 of the maximum, so it could be said that this pilot was sentenced heavily. Would you be quite so venomous had it been a bus driver? He has probably got 6 months because he is supposed to be inteligent, well versed in safety, and in a responsible position in society, in other words, he should have known better.
He is a forgien national, so as I understand it he will serve 6 months, not 4.
One mistake? Do you know that it was one mistake? Or has he made a few others? You don't know, nor do I.
Yes, he was under the drink drive limit, however he was not convicted of drinking and driving.
HD is entitled to his opinon, just as you are....
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Fraid I see NN's point. What are we trying to prove here?
1. Yep, no excuse for drinking and flying.
2. Yep, anyone having personal involvement with DUI drivers is bound to have a strong opinion.
3. That doesn't mean this guy may have made a mistake, once, which is now in all probability going to ruin the rest of his life.
I remember all too well when Drinking / Driving was not as frowned upon as in today's 'Save the Whales' 'Support Gay Marriage', 'Don't smack Children', world. When it was 'There but for the grace of God go I....'. I'm neither excusing nor supporting, merely stating facts. The world changes, opinion changes, and no-one will know for years whether it was for the better. In the meantime, out come the soapboxes, outcome the Blairlike quivering lips, portentious comments, 'holier than thou' comments.
It could be you next time, it could be you dragged away because you used an inappropriate mouthwash in Scandinavia - would you like to think your motives, character, life history, were all going to be pilloried on some internet chat pages by people who daren't even admit their real identities?
As Andy Warhol said, we'll all get our 5 minutes of fame - remember, it could be YOU next time, I wonder if you would be quite so aggressively critical then?
I wish the guy all the best in the world, and hope he returns to flying a sadder and wiser man. Sadder - he may just find out how much support he got from his fellow pilots who must know at least the headlines of the case (in the papers - it must be true! The police said......" well that means it's beyond doubt eh?
Wiser - hopefully he'll discover polo mints to ensure the next know-it-all cabby doesn't phone the police.
I shall make a point of sniffing the breath of MT drivers, taxi drivers, and anyone else I accompany in the future, what comes around - goes around!
1. Yep, no excuse for drinking and flying.
2. Yep, anyone having personal involvement with DUI drivers is bound to have a strong opinion.
3. That doesn't mean this guy may have made a mistake, once, which is now in all probability going to ruin the rest of his life.
I remember all too well when Drinking / Driving was not as frowned upon as in today's 'Save the Whales' 'Support Gay Marriage', 'Don't smack Children', world. When it was 'There but for the grace of God go I....'. I'm neither excusing nor supporting, merely stating facts. The world changes, opinion changes, and no-one will know for years whether it was for the better. In the meantime, out come the soapboxes, outcome the Blairlike quivering lips, portentious comments, 'holier than thou' comments.
It could be you next time, it could be you dragged away because you used an inappropriate mouthwash in Scandinavia - would you like to think your motives, character, life history, were all going to be pilloried on some internet chat pages by people who daren't even admit their real identities?
As Andy Warhol said, we'll all get our 5 minutes of fame - remember, it could be YOU next time, I wonder if you would be quite so aggressively critical then?
I wish the guy all the best in the world, and hope he returns to flying a sadder and wiser man. Sadder - he may just find out how much support he got from his fellow pilots who must know at least the headlines of the case (in the papers - it must be true! The police said......" well that means it's beyond doubt eh?
Wiser - hopefully he'll discover polo mints to ensure the next know-it-all cabby doesn't phone the police.
I shall make a point of sniffing the breath of MT drivers, taxi drivers, and anyone else I accompany in the future, what comes around - goes around!