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OC41, most Kestrels I speak to are happy with the Company (self included) and have no desire to leave. However there's only so long you can sit and watch your pay and conditions being steadily eroded. Anecdotally, Britannia are having to put over 30% of salary into their pension fund in order to meet their obligations to the Final Salary pension scheme. Now, that figure may be adrift by a percentage point or two but even if it is, it still makes the Kestrel scheme look very poor indeed.
Other sectors of the transport industry have managed to improve their renumeration above inflation and the grudging awards we have seen recently in the Touring Company have ensured that in relative terms we have seen our position eroded.
I think a good way to sum up the Touring Company is 'good people, good atmosphere, good fun but relatively poor renumeration'. And lets not forget, the bottom line is the bottom line.
Other sectors of the transport industry have managed to improve their renumeration above inflation and the grudging awards we have seen recently in the Touring Company have ensured that in relative terms we have seen our position eroded.
I think a good way to sum up the Touring Company is 'good people, good atmosphere, good fun but relatively poor renumeration'. And lets not forget, the bottom line is the bottom line.
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Talking of pension schemes. Money purchase schemes in this low interest environment and with interest now taxed within the schemes wont provide much of a pension which is why so many companys are going down that route as it is far far cheaper than a final salary scheme.
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Just off the 'phone to Walton Churchill re arranging an interview.
1) First phase of interviews scheduled up to end of MAY. Subsequent recruitment & interviews at dates to be arranged.
2) Package. Walton Churchill are now forbidden to disclose the package and are instructed to tell us that it will only be discussed at interview.
If the package was good, then it would obviously be used as an enticement to join. Therefore, whatever the package is, its not good. So not good in fact that DHL are frightened to disclose it prior to interview.
I for one am not going to waste time trouble and money attending an interview with a company that is afraid to disclose the package. Any thoughts ?
ps. See you at the Blue Fox interviews later this year.
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1) First phase of interviews scheduled up to end of MAY. Subsequent recruitment & interviews at dates to be arranged.
2) Package. Walton Churchill are now forbidden to disclose the package and are instructed to tell us that it will only be discussed at interview.
If the package was good, then it would obviously be used as an enticement to join. Therefore, whatever the package is, its not good. So not good in fact that DHL are frightened to disclose it prior to interview.
I for one am not going to waste time trouble and money attending an interview with a company that is afraid to disclose the package. Any thoughts ?
ps. See you at the Blue Fox interviews later this year.
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I smell a rat here somewhere.
Possibly get you to interview then do the hard sell on you. Unless or until I receive details of the package from DHL or Walton Churchill, I will not be attending an interview.
Hope I,m wrong but I can't help but be reminded of a pilot recruitment seminar I went to many moons ago when the average jet F/Os salary was about 22000GBP pa. The Cathay guy stood up and stated that the Cathay F/O starting salary was 40000GBP pa, then sat down again.
The Point?
If DHL were proud of what they were offering they would advertise it.
Possibly get you to interview then do the hard sell on you. Unless or until I receive details of the package from DHL or Walton Churchill, I will not be attending an interview.
Hope I,m wrong but I can't help but be reminded of a pilot recruitment seminar I went to many moons ago when the average jet F/Os salary was about 22000GBP pa. The Cathay guy stood up and stated that the Cathay F/O starting salary was 40000GBP pa, then sat down again.
The Point?
If DHL were proud of what they were offering they would advertise it.
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Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'll be more than happy to go to their interview, mind you, I've got 2000 hours on the B757 and still haven't had the 'call' so I guess there must be plenty of rated people out there.
PS: If any one from DHL reads this, I'm available immediately for an interview, just email me!
PS: If any one from DHL reads this, I'm available immediately for an interview, just email me!
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I am absolutely amazed at the amount of excitement this DHL job is causing!! A job probably 4 sectors ,night flights only ,hanging around after each landing whilst cargo is offloaded in some cold bleak North European airport, based in EMA where probably very few applicants live anywhere near!! I cannot believe any B757 UK charter Captain is interested in this??
This is for those who are desparate and I mean really desparate who wish to return to Bomber Blairs Britain for one reason or another for a direct command where opportunities for such are becoming more difficult. Just dont look at this through rose tinted glasses.
I have seen the DHL crew room in Brussels at 3am and it is not a pretty site!!
This is for those who are desparate and I mean really desparate who wish to return to Bomber Blairs Britain for one reason or another for a direct command where opportunities for such are becoming more difficult. Just dont look at this through rose tinted glasses.
I have seen the DHL crew room in Brussels at 3am and it is not a pretty site!!
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Gyppo,
I am intrigued by your vociferous responses on this thread. Are you a "legend in your own mind- would've made it if it hadn't been for someone who knew what they were talking about" type who is smarting after realising everyone else could see a light or did you simply get to see the DHL crewroom at 0300 (pilot speak for your 3am) via a telephoto lens from your favourite spot on the perimeter fence. Those of us who genuinely seek to fly with a new operation are optimists by nature, not desperate (it is spelt 'er' for your future reference) and can accept that less than top end pay packets will be the norm' to begin with. Once an operation proves itself in terms of sustainable profit margins and has the right balance of experienced crew bringing along the younger pilots in a way that induces long term commitment to the company, then shall the just rewards of reasonable pay and a reliable future employment prospects become the attraction of that company. There is no point getting in a shin kicking contest with a newly appointed management who are trying to generate the very conditions I have described. Life isn't fair, get used to it.
I am intrigued by your vociferous responses on this thread. Are you a "legend in your own mind- would've made it if it hadn't been for someone who knew what they were talking about" type who is smarting after realising everyone else could see a light or did you simply get to see the DHL crewroom at 0300 (pilot speak for your 3am) via a telephoto lens from your favourite spot on the perimeter fence. Those of us who genuinely seek to fly with a new operation are optimists by nature, not desperate (it is spelt 'er' for your future reference) and can accept that less than top end pay packets will be the norm' to begin with. Once an operation proves itself in terms of sustainable profit margins and has the right balance of experienced crew bringing along the younger pilots in a way that induces long term commitment to the company, then shall the just rewards of reasonable pay and a reliable future employment prospects become the attraction of that company. There is no point getting in a shin kicking contest with a newly appointed management who are trying to generate the very conditions I have described. Life isn't fair, get used to it.
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Whossat Forrus - I'm afraid you may be considered naive if you expect conditions to imrove once you are "underway!".
I'm afraid Gypsy's last post sums it up - the package will fail to attract any of the current UK charter pilots. I 'd love to see DHL struggle to recruit.
I'm afraid Gypsy's last post sums it up - the package will fail to attract any of the current UK charter pilots. I 'd love to see DHL struggle to recruit.
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Absolutely old boy.
gypo I,m afraid has it spot on. I too hope that DHL get what they deserve.
The old saying about peanuts and monkeys (with a few exceptions of course) springs to mind again.
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gypo I,m afraid has it spot on. I too hope that DHL get what they deserve.
The old saying about peanuts and monkeys (with a few exceptions of course) springs to mind again.
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WHO??? Thanks for the spelling lesson and 3am was for pedantic prats like you to pick up on. The rest of your diatribe sounds like the talk of a somewhaaaaaaat naive person. STILL IF THIS SUITS YOU THEN GO FOR IT!!
You have obviously not been in aviation very long if you think that in due course your loyalty will be recognised through your salary cheque or in any other way!!
If you ever get to see the DHL CREW ROOM AT 3am or 0300 if you cannot understand, then perhaps you will remember this !!
As I recall at 0300 the crew were all just in the middle of a 4 sector night with 2 more to go just to help your arithmatic and they all looked in pretty poor shape as they drank their soup and tea {FREE} from the vending machine!! I would not have been able to see that from the perimeter fence!!
As I climbed out of my shiny B757 after a 6 hour single sector from Sharjah I felt quite sorry for those guys. Do not expect me to feel sorry for you though!! If the cap fits then wear it.
You have obviously not been in aviation very long if you think that in due course your loyalty will be recognised through your salary cheque or in any other way!!
If you ever get to see the DHL CREW ROOM AT 3am or 0300 if you cannot understand, then perhaps you will remember this !!
As I recall at 0300 the crew were all just in the middle of a 4 sector night with 2 more to go just to help your arithmatic and they all looked in pretty poor shape as they drank their soup and tea {FREE} from the vending machine!! I would not have been able to see that from the perimeter fence!!
As I climbed out of my shiny B757 after a 6 hour single sector from Sharjah I felt quite sorry for those guys. Do not expect me to feel sorry for you though!! If the cap fits then wear it.