Emirates emergency landing in JNB
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Emirates emergency landing in JNB
Anybody heard any more about the reason for the EK emergency landing in JNB on Friday?
Is it true that they hit the lights at the end of the runway on take off in JNB and had to turn back?
Is it true that they hit the lights at the end of the runway on take off in JNB and had to turn back?
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Emirates' plane forced to land
10/04/2004 11:15 - (SA)
Johannesburg - The aircraft that performed an emergency landing at Johannesburg International Airport on Friday was an Emirates Air aeroplane, not a Lufthansa plane as was reported.
Captain Sophie Mayisela said the tyre of flight Alfa 6ERN, carrying a crew of 14 people and 216 passengers, burst during the emergency landing and left the pilot slightly hurt.
All the other people escaped unhurt when the accident happened around 21:30 on Friday.
The passengers and the crew were flying to the United Arab Emirates from Johannesburg, Mayisela said.
She said it was unclear what forced the aircraft into an emergency landing, but the police would investigate all the circumstances surrounding that landing.
Emirates Air was not immediately available for comment.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...510691,00.html
10/04/2004 11:15 - (SA)
Johannesburg - The aircraft that performed an emergency landing at Johannesburg International Airport on Friday was an Emirates Air aeroplane, not a Lufthansa plane as was reported.
Captain Sophie Mayisela said the tyre of flight Alfa 6ERN, carrying a crew of 14 people and 216 passengers, burst during the emergency landing and left the pilot slightly hurt.
All the other people escaped unhurt when the accident happened around 21:30 on Friday.
The passengers and the crew were flying to the United Arab Emirates from Johannesburg, Mayisela said.
She said it was unclear what forced the aircraft into an emergency landing, but the police would investigate all the circumstances surrounding that landing.
Emirates Air was not immediately available for comment.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...510691,00.html
minor points if anybody has a ready answer, otherwise just ignore me 
Why the use of the word emergency ?
Isn't it just a plain ole return-for-landing incident?
And what is possible cause for injury only to the pilot?
Why the use of the word emergency ?
Isn't it just a plain ole return-for-landing incident?
And what is possible cause for injury only to the pilot?
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THIS IS BASED ON RUMOUR...
Seems that on departure, for some reason or another, the Aircraft hit the approach lights (for the other side).
It is not clear if the aircraft got airborne before the runway end or not.
Flap(s) stuck at take off setting, (multiple) tyre damage.
Aircraft burnt/dumped fuel, returned and landed.
Apparently some part of the undercarriage went through some part of the wing, I am not sure of the extent of this damage, or if this occured on departure or landing.
I suppose the pilot could have got hurt during the departure or landing.
THIS IS BASED ON RUMOUR
It is not clear if the aircraft got airborne before the runway end or not.
Flap(s) stuck at take off setting, (multiple) tyre damage.
Aircraft burnt/dumped fuel, returned and landed.
Apparently some part of the undercarriage went through some part of the wing, I am not sure of the extent of this damage, or if this occured on departure or landing.
I suppose the pilot could have got hurt during the departure or landing.
THIS IS BASED ON RUMOUR
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Well, had to apply toga after Vr cause nose did not want to come up, smashed through the lights at end of runway and drove the wheels through the grass for upto 150m. Struggled out across the trees with gear/flap damage. Came back, lost the brakes after touchdown and had to use alt brake system to try and stop the bas#ard. Pulled up 100m short of the end.
Lets see all the deck chairs being pushed around this time. Your boat is rapidly sinking EMIRATES. !!!!
Lets see all the deck chairs being pushed around this time. Your boat is rapidly sinking EMIRATES. !!!!
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LL,
How can an incident like this result in the Company sinking? If the aircraft has suffered a technical malfunction of some sort, and the crew have struggled firstly to get it airborne and then to re-land, surely we should be congratulating the crew for doing a first class job in getting it safely back on the ground, rather than blasting the company (or wherever your angst is aimed), and writing EK off as history?
You have me perplexed!
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How can an incident like this result in the Company sinking? If the aircraft has suffered a technical malfunction of some sort, and the crew have struggled firstly to get it airborne and then to re-land, surely we should be congratulating the crew for doing a first class job in getting it safely back on the ground, rather than blasting the company (or wherever your angst is aimed), and writing EK off as history?
You have me perplexed!
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Loungelizard, balanced character then....chip on both shoulders.
Didn't happen to fail the selection procedure did you?
Apparently there was an unaccounted 3 Tonnes in the bulk cargo hold. a/c hitting lights damaged brakes hence loss of braking. TOGA was selected at some point on the rw.
Didn't happen to fail the selection procedure did you?
Apparently there was an unaccounted 3 Tonnes in the bulk cargo hold. a/c hitting lights damaged brakes hence loss of braking. TOGA was selected at some point on the rw.
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FYI, gentlemen.
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The following report has been rated as SEVERE RISK:
3/04/343 A6ERN 09-04-04 EK
764 JNB - DXB INVEST ACTIVE
RUNWAY OVER-RUN ON TAKE OFF
The report stated, that following a normal application
of the reduced flexible thrust, the aircraft
commenced its take off run, with the flaps set to 1+
F. Following the rotate call, the PF applied rearward
side-stick and, for approximately 6 -7 seconds the
aircraft nose did not move upwards. After that, the
nose rose and the PF selected 9° nose up, expecting
the aircraft to lift off. Very shortly afterwards the
crew felt a rumbling, selected TOGA (full) thrust and
about two seconds later the aircraft became airborne.
The initial climb out and thrust reduction was normal,
but as the aircraft was accelerated and flaps were
retracted an ECAM caution annunciated for FLAPS
LOCKED.
Since the flaps were now in an immovable position and
not fully retracted a decision was made to return. ATC
were informed and fuel jettisoned to maximum landing
weight. ATC advised that a runway inspection
had revealed damage to two runway end lights and that
the aircraft may have traveled about 150 meters across
the grass at the end of the runway, before getting
airborne.
In the absence of other warnings and no ECAM system
for displaying tyre pressure, the crew assumed that
the landing gear and tyres were unaffected. The
aircraft then returned for a non-standard
configuration (Flaps Locked) landing during which at
about 70 knots normal braking failed. The aircraft was
slowed using alternate brakes and came to a halt
approximately 150 meters from the end of the runway.
The fire services were in immediate attendance and the
main gear tyres were seen to be damaged and deflated.
There were no reported injury to the crew or
passengers. This incident is the subject of an ICAO
annex 13 investigation by the country of occurrence.
They have also invited a member of the local authority
as an accredited representative to the investigation
and have permitted airline participation, in an
advisory capacity.
___________________________________________________
The following report has been rated as SEVERE RISK:
3/04/343 A6ERN 09-04-04 EK
764 JNB - DXB INVEST ACTIVE
RUNWAY OVER-RUN ON TAKE OFF
The report stated, that following a normal application
of the reduced flexible thrust, the aircraft
commenced its take off run, with the flaps set to 1+
F. Following the rotate call, the PF applied rearward
side-stick and, for approximately 6 -7 seconds the
aircraft nose did not move upwards. After that, the
nose rose and the PF selected 9° nose up, expecting
the aircraft to lift off. Very shortly afterwards the
crew felt a rumbling, selected TOGA (full) thrust and
about two seconds later the aircraft became airborne.
The initial climb out and thrust reduction was normal,
but as the aircraft was accelerated and flaps were
retracted an ECAM caution annunciated for FLAPS
LOCKED.
Since the flaps were now in an immovable position and
not fully retracted a decision was made to return. ATC
were informed and fuel jettisoned to maximum landing
weight. ATC advised that a runway inspection
had revealed damage to two runway end lights and that
the aircraft may have traveled about 150 meters across
the grass at the end of the runway, before getting
airborne.
In the absence of other warnings and no ECAM system
for displaying tyre pressure, the crew assumed that
the landing gear and tyres were unaffected. The
aircraft then returned for a non-standard
configuration (Flaps Locked) landing during which at
about 70 knots normal braking failed. The aircraft was
slowed using alternate brakes and came to a halt
approximately 150 meters from the end of the runway.
The fire services were in immediate attendance and the
main gear tyres were seen to be damaged and deflated.
There were no reported injury to the crew or
passengers. This incident is the subject of an ICAO
annex 13 investigation by the country of occurrence.
They have also invited a member of the local authority
as an accredited representative to the investigation
and have permitted airline participation, in an
advisory capacity.
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Only 3 tons over the top?? Come on, if they are going to use that as an excuse it needs to be more than 3 tons, believe me.
Apparently there was an unaccounted 3 Tonnes in the bulk cargo hold
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The passengers and the crew were flying to the United Arab Emirates from Johannesburg, Mayisela said
Seriously - sounds like the poor s0ds got load/balance probs and managed to get back agian - well done!
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Exuse my ignorance. but who is ultimately responsible for checking that the weight/balance is correct at time of departure?
It was always my assumption that the loadmaster did the balance sheet, and handed it to the captain for checking, but how can the captain check the info?
It was always my assumption that the loadmaster did the balance sheet, and handed it to the captain for checking, but how can the captain check the info?
Sounds like emirates has a new business plan and is diversifying to trim the grass at the runway ends.
On a serious note, there was a serious failure on the human side and congrats to the crew for making it. Could've been a nasty one.
On a serious note, there was a serious failure on the human side and congrats to the crew for making it. Could've been a nasty one.
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Wait
Isn't it about this time in these threads that some one says...lets hold on a wait for the investigation........there I have said it now 
Sounds like a close call....let's just be thankful they all came back safe and sound...150m on the grass, if true, scarey
Sounds like a close call....let's just be thankful they all came back safe and sound...150m on the grass, if true, scarey
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Lucky it didn't happen here at EGHH - it'd have hit a bus! Well done to the crew - wait until the report to see who screwed up, or who is to be shafted with the blame.
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Sloooooooooooooooooowdown peeps. Could be a crew calculated take-off problem, nah? Me, I'm sure it's load and balance from JNB. The loadsheet checking procedure on EK, I have been told, is almost foolproof now. Regarding checking the loadsheet, you may as the crew check it all you like but if its wrong compared to the loadsheet, there is nothing you can do about it except be extreme professionals and save everyones lives. Well done EK pilots.
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How to check ..... after the fact.
Hello all,
Would it be appropriate (from an invesigative point of view) to have weighed all the bags and cargo after the incident? Is this a normal thing to do?
Is there any way that a calc error on the part of the airport staff can be traced after the fact?
Are there any aircraft in the world that have "scales" (not the fishy type) built in to the aircraft to check the weight of an aircraft?
Thank you in advance.
Invictus
Would it be appropriate (from an invesigative point of view) to have weighed all the bags and cargo after the incident? Is this a normal thing to do?
Is there any way that a calc error on the part of the airport staff can be traced after the fact?
Are there any aircraft in the world that have "scales" (not the fishy type) built in to the aircraft to check the weight of an aircraft?
Thank you in advance.
Invictus