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Agreed lamina ! 
Sad thing is, the vast majority are suckered in by such obvious ploys !
Whoever, in their right mind, suggested that pilots are intelligent.......?
(maybe they did'nt include bmi pilots in their survey)
Some can't even understand straightforward posts.
Sad thing is, the vast majority are suckered in by such obvious ploys !
Whoever, in their right mind, suggested that pilots are intelligent.......?
(maybe they did'nt include bmi pilots in their survey)
Some can't even understand straightforward posts.
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It sounds to me like BMI is ripe for take over. Evidence:
1) Management has admitted it was in the wrong boat - by expanding into longhaul and low cost markets, it has declared that the traditional business does not offer the best prospects going forwards
2) Management is not dealing with the most pressing problem - as a previous post said, premium passengers do not choose BMI first, and nor do loco passengers. If management doesnt make its mind up about the traditional business, it will gradually die and cost buckets of money on the way - potentially taking the other businesses with it
3) The LHR slot issue - Each slot "pair" is worth GBP5-10m.
My strategy would be to somehow boost near-term figures, talk about great long-term prospects for Baby and Long haul, and then sell to anyone who will pay significantly more than the slots are worth. If they dont sell, or dont change management/strategy and deal with the traditional business, the whole lot may be doomed when the slot money runs out.
ps there are about 1000 unemployed frozen ATPLs (not all of whom are muppets) who would kill to get on the ladder with a FO job at BMI - and would be very happy just to have a job and would not expect to be paid much (I am one)
1) Management has admitted it was in the wrong boat - by expanding into longhaul and low cost markets, it has declared that the traditional business does not offer the best prospects going forwards
2) Management is not dealing with the most pressing problem - as a previous post said, premium passengers do not choose BMI first, and nor do loco passengers. If management doesnt make its mind up about the traditional business, it will gradually die and cost buckets of money on the way - potentially taking the other businesses with it
3) The LHR slot issue - Each slot "pair" is worth GBP5-10m.
My strategy would be to somehow boost near-term figures, talk about great long-term prospects for Baby and Long haul, and then sell to anyone who will pay significantly more than the slots are worth. If they dont sell, or dont change management/strategy and deal with the traditional business, the whole lot may be doomed when the slot money runs out.
ps there are about 1000 unemployed frozen ATPLs (not all of whom are muppets) who would kill to get on the ladder with a FO job at BMI - and would be very happy just to have a job and would not expect to be paid much (I am one)
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Son wait till I tell you something,
Statements like this one below will not make you friends in aviation never mind bmi,
"If management doesn’t make its mind up about the
ps there are about 1000 unemployed frozen ATPLs (not all of whom are muppets) who would kill to get on the ladder with a FO job at BMI - and would be very happy just to have a job and would not expect to be paid much (I am one)"
I admire your keenness but remember that you are looking from the outside in and the image/dream of how working for bmi is of rosy pictures.
Its not a true reflection of reality so I surest you speak to some people who have the daily slog of driving in to LHR to a car park(after the M25 car park)to wait on a bus to get to the crew room then start work to go and do something like a TFS and back(report and finish times coincide with rush hour, hmmm nice),
I think you might find your painting would get a bit tarnished.
As for your comment about being paid much less to do the job, these types of comments are very destructive to the professional stance of pilots, remember how much you paid for your training, 2 sim rides a year 1 medical every year and looking forward to 2 after 40.
If you think we get paid to much I suggest you conceder this
A London tube driver is on the same if not more than an FO and they didn’t pay for there training.
Remember that its a tough time for pilots at the min but I think there’s not much more meat they can strip from the bone so things should be looking up over the next year and hopefully things get will get better and more jobs opportunities will come up and then you can dazzle the aviation community with your keenness and talent.
Rgds K.I.L.
P.S. I enjoy the flying but its all the s**t that comes with it I hate
Good hunting
Son wait till I tell you something,
Statements like this one below will not make you friends in aviation never mind bmi,
"If management doesn’t make its mind up about the
ps there are about 1000 unemployed frozen ATPLs (not all of whom are muppets) who would kill to get on the ladder with a FO job at BMI - and would be very happy just to have a job and would not expect to be paid much (I am one)"
I admire your keenness but remember that you are looking from the outside in and the image/dream of how working for bmi is of rosy pictures.
Its not a true reflection of reality so I surest you speak to some people who have the daily slog of driving in to LHR to a car park(after the M25 car park)to wait on a bus to get to the crew room then start work to go and do something like a TFS and back(report and finish times coincide with rush hour, hmmm nice),
I think you might find your painting would get a bit tarnished.
As for your comment about being paid much less to do the job, these types of comments are very destructive to the professional stance of pilots, remember how much you paid for your training, 2 sim rides a year 1 medical every year and looking forward to 2 after 40.
If you think we get paid to much I suggest you conceder this
A London tube driver is on the same if not more than an FO and they didn’t pay for there training.
Remember that its a tough time for pilots at the min but I think there’s not much more meat they can strip from the bone so things should be looking up over the next year and hopefully things get will get better and more jobs opportunities will come up and then you can dazzle the aviation community with your keenness and talent.
Rgds K.I.L.
P.S. I enjoy the flying but its all the s**t that comes with it I hate
Good hunting
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Two things to note from your comments:
1. A very close friend has taken 4+ years to get his first airline job (not at BMI). He said to me only this week how rose coloured the glasses were for all that time! Don't think it's all a joy, yes most of us enjoy it but commercial aviation is long, antisocial hours with lots of hassle that could so easily be dealt with by others.
2. As above, to say you would work for much lower pay is stupid. Many have put themselves in debt for thousands and struggled onto the ladder. They have not been subsidised in their training as Doctors, Lawyers, etc but are expected to be thoroughly professional and faultless each day they work.
I can think of no other industry where you put your job on the line every 6 months in a simulator, as we do. We get paid for our high professional standard and the amount of responsibility we have.
Two things to note from your comments:
1. A very close friend has taken 4+ years to get his first airline job (not at BMI). He said to me only this week how rose coloured the glasses were for all that time! Don't think it's all a joy, yes most of us enjoy it but commercial aviation is long, antisocial hours with lots of hassle that could so easily be dealt with by others.
2. As above, to say you would work for much lower pay is stupid. Many have put themselves in debt for thousands and struggled onto the ladder. They have not been subsidised in their training as Doctors, Lawyers, etc but are expected to be thoroughly professional and faultless each day they work.
I can think of no other industry where you put your job on the line every 6 months in a simulator, as we do. We get paid for our high professional standard and the amount of responsibility we have.
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With the regard to the new routes, I think it is exciting for those who have not been looking to move but you have to read between the lines:
bmi is never looking more than 6 months ahead - toronto is only for 6 months, carribean is a winter route, they look likely to pull out of washington. all decisions are based around keeping the three aircraft in the air, but the visions are short term. do you not think they would be looking to aquire more aircraft if they truly wanted to make a long haul statement.??
Virgin already operate to all those destinations and many more, so I don't think many of those with applicatons in will be naive enough to not continue.
It is embarrassing to read the press releases about us being the "no 1 long haul operator from the regions" they are trying to give the impression we have a huge L.H network.
If they have long term ambitions they would be putting their money where their mouth is. but not so... lets just prime it for the sale.
bmi is never looking more than 6 months ahead - toronto is only for 6 months, carribean is a winter route, they look likely to pull out of washington. all decisions are based around keeping the three aircraft in the air, but the visions are short term. do you not think they would be looking to aquire more aircraft if they truly wanted to make a long haul statement.??
Virgin already operate to all those destinations and many more, so I don't think many of those with applicatons in will be naive enough to not continue.
It is embarrassing to read the press releases about us being the "no 1 long haul operator from the regions" they are trying to give the impression we have a huge L.H network.
If they have long term ambitions they would be putting their money where their mouth is. but not so... lets just prime it for the sale.
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Shafted:
The Caribbean start date is more than six months away, so that rather defeats your argument.
They are, as I understand it, safeguarding the jobs created by the long haul operation while looking for long term route opportunities.
There are, or were, options for up to 12 A330's. How many more would you like, and where would you operate them in the absence of the Transatlantic approval out of LHR?
That is what is known as accentuating the positive, a concept which you and Mr Carn are clearly not familiar with. You are more in the "good news doesn't sell newspapers" camp.
By the way, why are you two still working for bmi? Not good enough to get a job with a decent airline????
bmi is never looking more than 6 months ahead - toronto is only for 6 months, carribean is a winter route
They are, as I understand it, safeguarding the jobs created by the long haul operation while looking for long term route opportunities.
do you not think they would be looking to aquire more aircraft if they truly wanted to make a long haul statement.??
It is embarrassing to read the press releases about us being the "no 1 long haul operator from the regions"
By the way, why are you two still working for bmi? Not good enough to get a job with a decent airline????
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By the way, why are you two still working for bmi? Not good enough to get a job with a decent airline????
Fact is, if you "accentuate the positive" about bmi, as I used to do, you stay with them.
Then, one day, the realisation dawns that all the accentuating in China is'nt working and you'd better get out.
The problem then, in this wierd industry, is that if you're over 35, moving on becomes impossible. 35 years of age, with bags of experience, does'nt compete with early twenties and straight out of Oxford.
But then, Chalky, you already knew that ....... you were just testing you norty person, you !
The point of the above waffle is to emphasise to those contemplating a move, as part of the exodus, don't leave it until you're too old and remember that 35 is almost certainly too old !
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The Toronto route always was a summer only route - it is the same one that Air Canada have been running for years. As stated elsewhere it ties up with the Emirates flight ex Dubai for timing and should pay quite nicely.
The Caribbean routes now offer premium economy out of MAN which BWIA doesn't.
Anne
The Toronto route always was a summer only route - it is the same one that Air Canada have been running for years. As stated elsewhere it ties up with the Emirates flight ex Dubai for timing and should pay quite nicely.
The Caribbean routes now offer premium economy out of MAN which BWIA doesn't.
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Chalky,
sorry, you are absolutely right, they are thinking 8 months in advance, i was so wrong.
are you really suggesting that they are starting the new routes to safeguard jobs?? it would be cheaper to pay the pilots to sit at home.
As to how many aircraft and where they should go:
transatlantic longhaul from LHR forms only a small proportion of the successful longhaul routes operated by other airlines. I am aware that red tape hinders bmi painfully, but at a time where longhaul premium traffic is returning would it not be a good long term strategy to introduce our excellent service to the LHR market?? this would of course involve them aquiring more aircraft.
As for "accentuating the positive":
Our passenger base from manchester won't thank us in the long term for promising a service and then taking it away from them in just 6 months.
And finally response to the personal hit:
I want to work for bmi still. But it seems a bit risky to stay where there appears to be no direction and no communication. I can think of nothing better than to work for a "world class" airline with my current collegues. I have been with this company for a while and until now have not looked elsewhere. I have fellow captains with 14 years win the company who are also looking at jobs they never expected to.
Perhaps you could give me your idea of where the company will be in 5 years to help me make my decision????
sorry, you are absolutely right, they are thinking 8 months in advance, i was so wrong.
are you really suggesting that they are starting the new routes to safeguard jobs?? it would be cheaper to pay the pilots to sit at home.
As to how many aircraft and where they should go:
transatlantic longhaul from LHR forms only a small proportion of the successful longhaul routes operated by other airlines. I am aware that red tape hinders bmi painfully, but at a time where longhaul premium traffic is returning would it not be a good long term strategy to introduce our excellent service to the LHR market?? this would of course involve them aquiring more aircraft.
As for "accentuating the positive":
Our passenger base from manchester won't thank us in the long term for promising a service and then taking it away from them in just 6 months.
And finally response to the personal hit:
I want to work for bmi still. But it seems a bit risky to stay where there appears to be no direction and no communication. I can think of nothing better than to work for a "world class" airline with my current collegues. I have been with this company for a while and until now have not looked elsewhere. I have fellow captains with 14 years win the company who are also looking at jobs they never expected to.
Perhaps you could give me your idea of where the company will be in 5 years to help me make my decision????
From looking at these postings, it makes you wonder if some them are by pilots who are bitter because they feel the should have jumped ship sooner and now think they are too old to start again. Or have they been passed over at some stage?
If you want to leave, go, why stop where you are unhappy or discontented.
If you want to leave, go, why stop where you are unhappy or discontented.
