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[email protected] 3rd Apr 2022 16:02


Originally Posted by johni (Post 11210058)
Over 400 orders now...

Is there one flying yet?

[email protected] 3rd Apr 2022 16:07

Oh, so it will all be OK by Christmas.....................

HeliboyDreamer 4th Apr 2022 09:15

Very interesting project....

In the cockpit they seem to be going for ALT on the left and speed on the right while most of the glass cockpit out there (including airplanes) have it the opposite way. I wonder why they went that route?
At lot of power on paper but from the picture my perception is a very small fenestron, hopefully powerful enough. We will see

Good luck to them it seems to be very impressive product on paper

[email protected] 4th Apr 2022 09:54


an ambitious project for sure, but they do have a truckload of money.
lots of other people's money it would seem

Kemble Pitts 4th Apr 2022 17:15


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11210327)
lots of other people's money it would seem

Indeed, and an awful lot of it from significant, non-refundable deposits on, now, over 500 aircraft.

They have a strong, well funded team and a leader who knows how to make things happen.

[email protected] 5th Apr 2022 07:48


They have a strong, well funded team and a leader who knows how to make things happen.
They'll need that when they have to manage customers expectations downwards

[email protected] 5th Apr 2022 17:40

They'll probably charge and arm and a leg for spares - those windscreens won't come cheap....

SWBKCB 6th Apr 2022 05:40


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11210972)
They'll probably charge and arm and a leg for spares - those windscreens won't come cheap....

Are other manufacturers in this market sector known for the availability of reasonably priced spares?

[email protected] 6th Apr 2022 07:34


Are other manufacturers in this market sector known for the availability of reasonably priced spares?
No but they are not promising ground breaking performance at budget prices.

Encyclo 6th Apr 2022 11:58

Unfortunate I did not see them at Heli-Expo in Dallas, last month. That would have been a great venue to showcase all the progress they are making. They could possibly have given some tips on rapid prototyping and production to both airframe and engine OEMs, or at least on how to make the best computer aided graphics in the business!

Fly Safe, Always :ok:

Kemble Pitts 6th Apr 2022 12:18


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11210723)
They'll need that when they have to manage customers expectations downwards

Whilst I can appreciate a healthy scepticism in the world of brand new aircraft development, you are writing as though you have some knowledge of the Hill operation, more than just an observer. You seem to know something that others don't. Can you illuminate us on what that is?

[email protected] 6th Apr 2022 12:29

No, just a bigger dose of scepticism than others I guess - the promises of people who need your money to make their dreams come true always ring alarm bells with me.

The old adage of 'If it looks to good to be true, it usually is' - is easily applied to a company making a brand new helicopter and engine from the ground up that will beat all the existing offerings from companies who have huge R and D budgets and promises a revolution in light helicopter ownership.

Dry weight of 850Kg and 800Kg of payload, minimum cruise of 140Kts, MAUM OGE hover at 10,000' with a 500'/min vertical climb rate? If that doesn't all sound far too good to be true then I've got some ideas you might want to invest in......

Kemble Pitts 6th Apr 2022 12:44

Well, only a fool would spend his own money on such a venture. Dr Hill is no fool.

Bell_ringer 6th Apr 2022 13:01


Originally Posted by Kemble Pitts (Post 11211408)
Well, only a fool would spend his own money on such a venture. Dr Hill is no fool.

Have you heard of Theranos?

[email protected] 6th Apr 2022 15:53


Have you heard of Theranos?
Now I have to clean the keyboard of coffee...............

CGameProgrammerr 6th Apr 2022 17:13

My biggest concern / point of skepticism is that they are developing their own engine. I don't even see the point of doing that, but then I know nothing about engines. But that's a huge risk. It sounds like they don't even have a working engine yet, yet they have ambitious goals about creating a flying prototype soon? And there's no way they'll meet their price target, but if the experimental version costs no more than a Bell 505 and it actually works as well as they hope, then it should sell. Of course sales would be limited to the private market, at least in countries that prohibit commercial operations in experimentals.

Bell_ringer 6th Apr 2022 17:20


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11211503)
Now I have to clean the keyboard of coffee...............

Pack it in rice and it will be good as new. :E
If Newton were around today, his laws would define the most powerful force of all - FOMO.

Bell_ringer 7th Apr 2022 09:47


Originally Posted by johni (Post 11211775)
i think the price of HX50 is about £500,000, which is less than half the price of a new Bell 505?

Comparing vapourware to a product that actually exists and is fully certified for commercial ops, seems like a pointless exercise.
When (if?) it actually exists, has proven specs and a final price tag, comparisons can be drawn.
Until then, it is all just intellectual masturbation.:}

[email protected] 7th Apr 2022 12:22

HX50 after managing downwards customer expectations
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8426b7ea70.jpg

206 jock 7th Apr 2022 16:46


Originally Posted by johni (Post 11211952)
I guess the market for the HX50 is the private owner who doesn't fly much. Hence the R66 makes no sense as it costs £700,000 and you have to pay a lot (£270,000 ?) for a rebuild after 12 years.

Whereas the HX50 is £500,000 and has no "rebuild clock ticking" as soon as you buy it.

Other options are Hughes 500 (expensive, cramped), Bell 206 (expensive, old), EC120 (expensive, unpowered), AS350 (v expensive)

....which is probably why Hill has so many orders! (that, and the 4 axis AP and glass cockpit)

Yeah but if you placed a deposit for £100k for an HX50 and don't get a helicopter, that's not quite so good.

I think we all get that the HX50 proposition represents a remarkable deal. It's my view that it's way TOO remarkable. As soon as the first customer machine flies, I'll eat my words and tip my hat to the Hill team. Until then, it's just blah blah.


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