Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11642542)
I hear quite a few people are selling their 'slots' in the production queue now.
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 11630040)
Hmmm... I am almost turning from total disbelief to almost thinking that it might happen. But when?
One statement of interest was that it will hover at MAUW OGE at 10,000' with up to a 35kt tailwind. Not bad for a single-spool turbine which doesn't exist yet. |
https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/15...-downwind.html
In Robinsons, in my experience, it takes more power to hover downwind, than it does when into wind. |
Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11642647)
https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/15...-downwind.html
In Robinsons, in my experience, it takes more power to hover downwind, than it does when into wind. I presume you are talking only about R22 and 44 - the piston engines may suffer a little from less than perfect airflow into the engine when downwind. |
Originally Posted by Bravo73
(Post 11642581)
Wasn’t that always the point for lots of them?
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I think if you have a build number under 100 you would have definitely made money on your deposit, especially as Jason has promised that deliveries will start next year.
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11643021)
I think if you have a build number under 100 you would have definitely made money on your deposit, especially as Jason has promised that deliveries will start next year.
Aren’t these “sell my place in the queue” more to do with lack of confidence than speculation on capital return? |
I guess we don't know which one it is at this point. If the word about pricing of those slots comes out, then we can make an opinion.
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11643021)
I think if you have a build number under 100 you would have definitely made money on your deposit, especially as Jason has promised that deliveries will start next year.
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Given Hill has over 1,200 orders for the HX50/HC50, Bell/Robinson must have lost some orders to them. I would love to know what Bell/Robinson think about that.
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11643734)
Given Hill has over 1,200 orders for the HX50/HC50, Bell/Robinson must have lost some orders to them. I would love to know what Bell/Robinson think about that.
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I just watched the latest monthly update and ‘Ask me anything’ Q&A on YouTube. Recently, I’ve been following updates quite closely. I’m hugely impressed with everything the Hill team are achieving. Having had quite a lot of experience in the non-certified end of the market (Rotorway), there’s simply no comparison with the proposed Hill offering.
Like most, I have a healthy degree of scepticism about time lines and production numbers. However, I have every confidence it’s going to happen, and it’s going to be very good indeed. JJ |
Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11643734)
Given Hill has over 1,200 orders for the HX50/HC50, Bell/Robinson must have lost some orders to them. I would love to know what Bell/Robinson think about that.
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Originally Posted by jeepys
(Post 11644088)
Given that Hill owns a 66, I expect there will be questions!!!
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11644098)
From who? He can’t own a machine that doesn’t exist yet.
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Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11643734)
I would love to know what Bell/Robinson think about that.
As to the selling of production slots, not much to read into it. Happens on the TC side as well. Know one original slot owner and one guy who bought a resell slot after Dec show. |
Originally Posted by Ant T
(Post 11644111)
Presumably jeepys means a Robinson R66, according to wiki there have been over 1000 built…
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For those who don't want to watch 2hrs: - 1289 orders - expanded team into production and certification/approval - Engine: - About to cut first 4 impellers. Production strategies done - HP turbine disc done, being measured. NDT/quality (X-ray, measuring, etc) underway. - turbine blades continuing work on processes; in the thick of it. Basically up to casting strategies (cooling rates, etc) and casting analysis samples for testing alongside blades. - Super alloy main engine casing casting process wip. - gears & drivetrain components (shafts) making the rest of the bits. Gears exceed spec so they're going to cut more weight out of them. - injectors: combustion test rig wip on flame shape improvements. More needed. Lots of detail on the effort required to get to here. - starter/generator: in the thick of it, released most parts to production to make 5 of them. High speed test device commissioned. - Airframe/composites: prototype (production) new set of moulds for flying prototypes, using lessons learned from fuselages last year. - Lots of detail on firewall tests to choose final solution for flight prototypes - Paint shop work (booths, equipment) - Digital cockpit: discussion on some UI experiments from first principles to look at various VSI, Airspeed ideas. Night tests. - Production facility: almost finished digging out & cementing slab for gantry mill (which requires special slab for precision). Gantry mill installed in ~1 month. - electrics/lights, cabling in. Cement foundations outdoor done. Paint floor, environmental controls coming. Will take a while to move all development centre machines in & recalibrated. |
I would love to know what decade customer number 1,289 is getting their aircraft
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Sooner than customer #1290 which is what matters. Also they're funding its development, significantly increasing the likelihood of getting the helicopter at all. People buy Vans kits and don't get to fly it for 10+ years. Instead of focusing on delivery, let's focus on milestones. If they can get an engine completed and running reliably on a test bed this year, I think that would be fantastic.
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