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Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
(Post 10219160)
Did anyone else hear, @24 seconds, the lad in the back say, "I've just seen a piece fall off it" ... just after the Dad says "deary me" ?
:ooh: https://tinyurl.com/yarfovo8 |
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Originally Posted by SilsoeSid
(Post 10219160)
Did anyone else hear, @24 seconds, the lad in the back say, "I've just seen a piece fall off it" ...
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Rumor has it this be thems.
About That "Blue Thunder" Counter-Terror Chopper That Landed On London Bridge - The Drive |
"Helicopter trials Next-Generation Autopilot using Cloud-based Computing technology"
PDR |
Originally Posted by helonorth
(Post 10219967)
Rumor has it this be thems.
About That "Blue Thunder" Counter-Terror Chopper That Landed On London Bridge - The Drive |
Thought I'd just finish this thread with some more detail to calm the outraged Daily Mailers:E
Having had an update, the video clip actually shows the aircraft hovertaxiing back out of the weather having turned round instead of pushing on. No IFR option due to location and fuel. The weather came across the tops of the hills and down onto them - they stopped, had a look, turned round and, just after the video clip, exited the poor weather and continued en route. As expected, they reported the incident to their authoriser and chain of command on return to base - BEFORE the video clip even made it to FB. Anyone care to apologise for the comments they made about this crew and their actions? |
Errr.....NO. I was flying along minding my own business when some fog jumped out in front of me! sounds like a shock of crit. BTY Crab, the Daily Mail never has any nice pictures. The Sun and Daily Sport much better. |
Errr.....NO. I was flying along minding my own business when some fog jumped out in front of me! |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10238213)
Thought I'd just finish this thread with some more detail to calm the outraged Daily Mailers:E
Having had an update, the video clip actually shows the aircraft hovertaxiing back out of the weather having turned round instead of pushing on. No IFR option due to location and fuel. The weather came across the tops of the hills and down onto them - they stopped, had a look, turned round and, just after the video clip, exited the poor weather and continued en route. As expected, they reported the incident to their authoriser and chain of command on return to base - BEFORE the video clip even made it to FB. Anyone care to apologise for the comments they made about this crew and their actions? |
Crab my dear fellow. I have been flying a little bit here and there. I have not had to hover taxi off a mountain cos fog fell on top off me out of the blue. Maybe I have just been lucky eh. What do you think? Maybe it’s because I am “Up myself” whatever that means. Straws, clutching etc. However I admire you defence of the indefensible. Your support for the insupportable. There is another thread started about how to be a good helicopter pilot. Maybe we should copy the video onto it and say “Don’t do this” or maybe you would caption “Do this” DB |
So you are saying that it is indefensible to plan a low level sortie, get caught out by the weather in a steep sided mountain pass, stop, turn round and taxi out??????????
I really don't know what sort of flying you did in the Army but I do think you have forgotten your roots and lost complete perspective here. The be a better pilot thread should hold that video up as a 'how to extricate yourself properly' example - or a 'how not to end up in CFIT or IIMC' - it shows exactly what should be done - go down, slow down and turn round when you can. By 'up yourself' I mean pretending you have never been caught out by weather - I'm starting to wonder if you are a pilot at all. Helonorth - I don't need to help these guys - they didn't do anything wrong and everyone except you and DB knows it |
Crab .... really ??? My advice is STOP DIGGING!!!!! you are sounding more like Chopjock by the minute 🙈 |
Crabby, the only defence I can think of to offer having seen the video, is the crew did not have enough experience to recognise they had already gone too far before turning around.....if indeed that is what they did. Use a little common sense. Hover taxiing in fog along a public road in peacetime close to cars carrying families was, is, and never will be acceptable no matter what uniform we wear. You are wondering if I am really a pilot. Hmmmm. Are you now suggesting that to be a pilot I must try to kill myself in fog? I am confused. |
Team, why dont we just leave this as crew pushed the sensible limit a bit too far, and use it as an example of how not to do it
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So now the facts DB- and they are facts - don't match your perception of the video, you lack the honesty or moral courage to admit you fired from the hip and criticised a crew, assuming they were cowboys because they were in a video that you didn't like the look of.
Now even you must understand that hill fog - which is just cloud on the ground - can be formed in hilly terrain such as the Lake District very quickly and can be extremely localised - can you not understand that this wasn't a 'push on into a lowering cloudbase and poor vis' situation but instead a sudden appearance at the top of a steep sided valley, of said hill fog. Note the steep-sided valley descriptor which forced a slow-down, go-down with no immediate option to turn round. Once established safely in a hover, but engulfed in the forming hill fog, the turn around could be completed and the exit strategy (hovertaxiing on a line feature which was the SAFEST thing to do) employed. Do please carry on trolling about this but I don't think I am the only one asking questions about your experience or problem with either SAR or SF flying. Nigel, grow up you are better than that. |
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Use a little common sense. Hover taxiing in fog along a public road I agree with Crab... (sorry Crab!) |
Chopjock - another good reason for following the road in those conditions is that the wires are usually strung along the roads in those parts - much better to know exactly where they are and have them in view than to be constantly worried about where they might be or come across them unexpectedly:ok:
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Crab I don’t think the crew are cowboys. They just pushed too far and that is a mistake. My experience has nothing to do with it. Not done SAR or SF. Never claimed this. However the ground is hard and the weather is the same for all of us. It’s a bit harsh to attack my credentials without you knowing who and what I am or have done. But maybe you read my public profile as I don’t hide or pretend to be anything special. Like I said I respect your defending this position. If I screw up I would appreciate the support of someone like you. Just try to see it for what it was. You suggest as much in your other posts. No need for us to regress back to our Neanderthal default positions. chopjock, I agree, in this circumstances the road is the safest extraction but this debate is about getting there and ending up with that as the only option. Rules and limits are there to protect us and hopefully stop us pushing on when maybe we should take a time out so we expressly do not end up risking ourselves and third parties. ‘In this respect only, the crew, in my view have got themselves in a stickier situation than when sticky the stick insect got stuck on a stick. Good on them for surviving the experience. I am sure they learned from it. DB |
Good on them for surviving the experience. I am sure they learned from it. For crying out loud.....give it a friggin rest will you! It was a bit of fog and some weather that quickly changed due to the terrain. As you were told....it was all in a day's work for the crew...they complied with Unit Procedures and Policies....reported the occurrence BEFORE it became publicized. If you think this event was a major life threatening thing.....I begin to question your bona fides.....or at least your motivation for harping on and on about this. There are very few professional helicopter pilots, civilian or military, that have not encountered similar situations and done as this Crew did. I see absolutely nothing wrong with their actions....they tried one route...got weathered out...did a 180 and returned to appropriate weather conditions and continued the Mission. We in the US Military have an expression....."Charlie Mike!".....continue the Mission. That is what the Crew did.....as they should have. |
Fact is - anybody who has done this type of work for a few years has got at least a handful of experiences similar to (or more exciting than) this. It goes with the job. It is inevitable that you will end up in some challenging situations which may require above-average training, experience and teamwork to fix. Fortunately, that is what these guys have available to them, and that is why they do not pile in like your average weekend Robbo pilot might have done.
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There are very few professional helicopter pilots, civilian or military, that have not encountered similar situations and done as this Crew did. 1842 commercial pilots in 2016. If we assume an average 30 years of civilian rotary flying each and only one such situation per pilot, that is more than one a week. Funny how this cab got filmed and none of the others..... |
Homie....there is life beyond the confines of the small island you live on.....like the entire rest of the World. There are places that have far more challenging flying conditions and terrain than your country. Add in the rest of the World to your Stats and tell us how that affects your calculations! Take a look at the American Northwest, Canada, and Alaska....for a start. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10238213)
Thought I'd just finish this thread with some more detail to calm the outraged Daily Mailers:E
Having had an update from those in the know, the video clip actually shows the aircraft hovertaxiing back out of the weather having turned round instead of pushing on. No IFR option due to location and fuel. PDR |
For what most people would understand as quite obvious reasons - No.
However, send your location and I'm sure they could pay a visit:E DB - I think Sasless said it all.............seems plenty of people can't dismount their high horses....... |
Ahh the great SAS has decreed and Crab agrees. I therefore must conclude that I am wrong and have been all along. So Rotorheads, apparently it is perfectly OK to fly along public roads (edges), in the weedisphere in fog. The more important your job is, apparently the more acceptable this kind of flying will be. OM limits.....Pah! They don’t matter. Rules and Regs.....apparently for “inexperienced pilots........like me” So now I realise what a knob I have been, not realising that I was wrong to be “morally outraged” when clearly taxpayers money can be spent and expended without question or accountability I will withdraw and leave this subject to the “experts” like Crab. Good luck in the fog....sadly 35 years of fear and inexperience will cause me not to be with you. Like a massive Jessy that I clearly am I will be above you IFR with at least 1,000 feet between me and the ground, or worse somewhere else at my OM min height in approved VFR conditions. Sadly due to my chronic “inexperience” if the weather starts to look like it might go below my limits I am such a wus I have to turn around or land. My only hope is that fog does not suddenly fall on top of me like wot happened here, especially if I planned carefully and had good tafs and stuff. Still I only have about 17k hours so maybe not enough exposure yet for this to happen. |
So now I realise what a knob I have been |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 10239309)
For what most people would understand as quite obvious reasons - No.
PDR |
Same Gain, speak for yourself only and save the passive aggressive attitude. |
Come now children, play nice and put the toys back in the pram. Why the outrage that someone disagrees with you, are you all so desperate to be proven right or to feel validated in your personal views? This has really become an incredibly dull peeing contest. If the crew is as professional as claimed they will have a long and productive career, if not they will leave a smoking hole somewhere. Nothing to be seen here. |
Originally Posted by Same again
(Post 10239320)
We all hoped that you would arrive at that conclusion eventually.
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this stuff is Gold...:ok:
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Ah well maybe I walked into that one and happy to please! |
Whoa there Leslie....! Steady yourselves!
Have never ventured onto this bit of Pprune before. I see several "walts" trying to reinforce their credentials via criticism. I know of the situation in discussion, and know people who know the crew. There was nothing 'out of the ordinary'. Reading criticism of 'off-textbook' procedures by people who could only ever dream of being in that r/h seat are amusing though. |
Ex matelot you are way off the mark. |
My grouping was within 3.5cm on last APWT
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OMFG is this Round 3 or 4?
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