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Helimed24 9th Oct 2013 21:20

thorpey,

I hear that there was enough uptake from the military and that Bristow have up'd their wages.

thorpey 9th Oct 2013 21:41

Thanks for that, appreciated.

HarryMonk 10th Oct 2013 06:40

SAR rear crew positions
 
Hopefully someone can shed some light on the rear crew process...

Initially Bristow HR sent a date of September... I see some guys have receive the "thanks but no thanks" pilots and crewmen alike..... I also hear the Gap SAR guys have only just got their contracts so are Bristow just behind the drag time wise?

snakepit 10th Oct 2013 07:17

UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
 
Satsuma
No link to the article? That's not very helpful. Should we guess?

Sorry I got the hard copy and I naturally assumed that a man of your resources would be able to just google it?!

It's actually about the history of UK SAR both military and civilian.

meanttobe 10th Oct 2013 16:07

First production AW189 performs its maiden flight | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry

satsuma 10th Oct 2013 17:19


an extremely reduced time to market
But not rushed I trust. :ugh:

Is this really a good idea, praying that 50% of our nation's SAR future is secure in an as yet unproven aircraft?

Sevarg 10th Oct 2013 21:18

Satsuma. I think the clue is in First Production. If it was first aircraft yes it would be a short time frame.

jimf671 11th Oct 2013 13:15


Originally Posted by satsuma (Post 8092259)
But not rushed I trust. :ugh:

Is this really a good idea, praying that 50% of our nation's SAR future is secure in an as yet unproven aircraft?


Yes. It's a risk.

Time to move on.

satsuma 11th Oct 2013 16:47

Well, you're half right. Keeping your fingers crossed is not a sound basis for future success.

jimf671 11th Oct 2013 19:51


Originally Posted by satsuma (Post 8094266)
.... Keeping your fingers crossed is not a sound basis for future success.

Well, there's crossing your fingers and there's crossing your fingers.

In 1978, and again in 1983, folk were crossing their fingers about the single engine performance of the SK and 61.

Still crossed.

How much worse can it get?

satsuma 11th Oct 2013 21:48

You may yet get to see the S61 in the SAR role again Jim if the 189 isn't ready on time.

jimf671 12th Oct 2013 09:20

I don't think so.

I see two options for two very different levels of disaster.

189 late = 139 stand-in.

All goes into room 101 = 101.

jn45672 12th Oct 2013 17:11

Hi all,

WINCH OPERATOR
Requirements
· one (1) year’s previous experience on a dedicated SAR unit as a Winch Operator on helicopters
· two hundred and fifty (250) hours operating experience in helicopters gained in an operational environment similar to the intended operation
· no criminal record, safe flying record and the right to reside and work in the UK
(Training may be given to the right candidates)

My question is: are you also require to have a medical background for this position if you already meet the requirments above?
eg, paramedic/emt registration certificates needed?

Information much appreciated,
Cheers!

meanttobe 13th Oct 2013 08:55


My question is: are you also require to have a medical background for this position if you already meet the requirments above?
eg, paramedic/emt registration certificates needed?
This may be of help. It comes from the ITPD doc.
1762 1
2.3.3 The Contractor shall provide Winchmen with at least 3 month’s experience each in a dedicated military/civilian SAR unit.
2077 K
2.3.4 The Contractor shall ensure the continuing professional development of medically qualified rearcrew to maintain medical standards and currency iaw policy set by the clinical director.
2.3.2.1 The Contractor shall provide rearcrew trained to a minimum of BIEC standard (equivalent to the IHCD Emergency Medical Technician) and with at least one Paramedic qualified rearcrew on each shift.
2.3.3.1 The Contractor shall provide rearcrew trained to a minimum of BIEC standard (equivalent to the IHCD Emergency Medical Technician) and with at least one Paramedic qualified rearcrew on each shift.
.

meanttobe 13th Oct 2013 08:57


You may yet get to see the S61 in the SAR role again Jim if the 189 isn't ready on time.
Rumour has it the Falklands SAR contract currently being bid may see the S61 T being put forward by more than one of the bidders.

Ant T 13th Oct 2013 19:56

Does the Carson S61T have any European Civil Certification yet?


Rumour has it the Falklands SAR contract currently being bid may see the S61 T being put forward by more than one of the bidders.

jn45672 14th Oct 2013 18:29

That's great,

Thanks a lot for the info..I will think about getting my IHCD tech course!!

backtothebeat 14th Oct 2013 20:53

I didn't think you needed to be a paramedic / technician for winch operator ?

jimf671 14th Oct 2013 22:12


Originally Posted by backtothebeat (Post 8099050)
I didn't think you needed to be a paramedic / technician for winch operator ?

WINCH OPERATOR-EBU00408
Requirements
· one (1) year’s previous experience on a dedicated SAR unit as a Winch Operator on helicopters
· two hundred and fifty (250) hours operating experience in helicopters gained in an operational
environment similar to the intended operation
· no criminal record, safe flying record and the right to reside and work in the UK

[email protected] 15th Oct 2013 07:37

One would hope that the experience levels of those who are taken on will considerably exceed those minimum levels or target zero isn't going to last very long.

jimf671 15th Oct 2013 11:39


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 8099598)
One would hope that the experience levels of those who are taken on will considerably exceed those minimum levels or target zero isn't going to last very long.

Do you think the salary structures support that outcome?

[email protected] 15th Oct 2013 14:19

Quality doesn't come cheaply and cutting costs in this area might be a false economy.

HarryMonk 18th Oct 2013 18:37

REAR CREW POSITIONS
 
Anyone any ideas how far Bristow are down the recruitment process for WINCHMAN, winch op?

karabiner 18th Oct 2013 23:56

Lots of guys have applied and heard absolutely nothing since application. Others I hear have been told services not required. Good question Harry, anyone shed light on this?

[email protected] 20th Oct 2013 02:38

The interview/selection process for the military people on managed transition hasn't finished yet so I would think that if you haven't already received a 'no thanks' then you are still in with a shout.

jimf671 5th Dec 2013 16:56

Bristow UK SAR Engagement Event - Inverness
 
Just out of the Inverness Bristow UK SAR Engagement Event.

Many of my questions were answered, either in the presentations or the discussions that followed. There were a couple of unexpected twists. Ongoing work on technical and regulatory aspects of SAR flying sounds positive and I hope that everyone involved in that gives it their best.

Aircraft role equipment spec is due to move forward even from the where the GAP SAR aircraft is now. This is impressive.

There is little doubt that Bristow have been listening. More channels of communication have been opened today and that can only be good.

They remain exposed on a couple of details but April 2015 is still some way off. A limited amount was said about the risks associated with the 189 certification programme. I expect that prototype format, SAR flying systems and de-icing test time will pile on the pressure but I already know there is a Plan B.

The matter of remote refuelling sites is also still being worked on. Lochaber is a critical location since, being an area of poor aeronautical conditions, no aeronautical infrastructure exists there. However, Highland fuel agents have an outstanding ability to get lots of flammable smelly stuff to strange places, and gas turbines are 'omniverous', so there is plenty of scope for solution.


One of the really positive aspects of today's event is that the Bristow Director and representatives from Weber Shandwick, MCA and DfT all got snowed on. :E Failte gu Gaidhealtachd!

Clever Richard 22nd Dec 2013 10:03

Crab,

How is your application doing? :ok:

ANGAF 14th Jan 2014 03:28

UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
 
Silence from Crab? What's the story?

anotherpruner 24th Jan 2014 19:24

UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
 
I did expect this but still disappointed. One day hopefully 😔 -

"We have received your application for the position of WINCHMAN-EBU00409. After careful consideration, we regret to inform you that you have not been selected for this position.

We will retain your candidate profile in our database and will inform you of job openings that match your profile if you selected this option. We also invite you to visit the Career Section on our Web site on a regular basis.

We thank you for your interest in Bristow Group Inc. and wish you all the best in your career.


Best regards,
Human Resources Department
Bristow Group Inc."

anotherpruner

SeaKingDriver 26th Jan 2014 17:31

Does anyone have any updates on the managed transition? Or are we assuming no news is good news?!

Thomas coupling 27th Jan 2014 13:46

Here in Bongo Bongo land it seems the Bristow sifting stops about now and the results are official as of end of this month. Then the Mnagaed Transition/path can commence in anger.........................

TorqueOfTheDevil 27th Jan 2014 20:31

TC,


What a shame there were never any of those bunga bunga parties in bongo bongo land...the SAR Force HQ atrium would make a great venue...

meanttobe 28th Jan 2014 15:30

EASA certifies the EC175 | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source

How is the 189 doing??

jimf671 31st Jan 2014 12:55


Originally Posted by meanttobe (Post 8288550)
... ...

How is the 189 doing??


Good question.

All gone too quiet.

?

heli1 31st Jan 2014 17:15

The SAR certification aircraft was seen at Yeovil on Wednesday receiving the mods for the EASA/CAA approval trials.

Gene Genie 3rd Feb 2014 11:33

This is going to be a busy little thread this week. But it's just a rumour...,

Good luck all who applied.

Gene

Thomas coupling 3rd Feb 2014 13:13

Commencing today I believe! I am going for a grand total of between 25 and 30 pilots who will be absorbed into the new system.....:ouch:

SeaKingDriver 5th Feb 2014 18:44

Nothing heard yet... Anyone else?

Gene Genie 5th Feb 2014 19:15

I understand that their attention has been diverted by HR issues abroad. There may be a short delay, talk amongst yourselves...,

Gene

SeaKingDriver 5th Feb 2014 20:20

Cheers Genie. Are you in a position to define 'short delay'?


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