Huh? 16 months from when?


There are contradictions in the Bristow Analyst Day presentation regarding transition dates. One section gives dates that according to at least one other section, and according to DfT documents, are 9 months late.

(And of course, the slide at the front essentially says this could be complete rubbish and we don't accept the blame or anything.)

avturboy

It is certainly noisier in the cruise as I can hear it long before I can hear a Seaking. When it first came to Aberdeen there were cruise restrictions while it was over land but don't know if they are still in force. It is quieter than a Chinook though;)


It doesn't appear to be much noisier than any other helicopter whilst on the ground, though it may make noise for longer as it does have an APU.

HF

There will not be any on an SAR callout so get you earplugs ready'

Talking about salaries...
 

Hi, friends.

Does anyone happen to know what the ranges of salaries will be for capt/FO when the whole thing start to work?

I mean, if you are working, let´s say, in a western African country for a high value company, would it be worth the change in terms of similar money?

Thanks!

Just for those who are interested;

I just got off the phone with the HR Manager for Bristow, who was lovely, listened to my tale of woe reference holding etc, and that I wanted to get my head down and get into a proper flying career in SAR.

She said that they are planning on using existing SAR rearcrew at the moment to fill the posts, then once that pool of talent starts drying up in a few years time, they will start bringing in training for ab initio guys.

Makes complete sense to me, I figured that this would be the case, but hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained. A few years gives me time to get medical qualifications and more experience working with other rescue services, build up that CV for when the RAF make me redundant in 2015...:rolleyes:

Humane Maverick:
Co-pilots get £100,000 basic plus school fees of £30,000/yr and relocation allowance of £20,000. Plus company car.
Captains don't get any allowances or car just a basic of £200,000/yr.

The job starts a week next Thursday.

Hope this helps.

TC
are you sure? Isn't there something about '21 virgins' included in the package? :}

Oh, TC, you are a wag. :E

Humane Maverick - You will have to excuse TC, he is British and we enjoy nothing more than winding people up.!

The payscales are due to be released shortly but an informed source tells me that they will be:

Captains £73-£88K with 12 paypoint bands
Co-Pilots £53-£64K with 8 paypoint bands
Crewmen ££41-£52K with 12 paypoint bands.

There will be a commensurate reduction in these salaries for anyone joining who is in receipt of a British miltary pension and this will equate to about one third of the pension amount that they currently receive.

Paypoint entry levels (and seniority) will be determined using a 'factored' hour system with previous hours on UK military SAR counting as 1 whole hour, previous hours on UK Coastguard SAR counting as 0.5 of an hour and all other helicopter flying hours counting as 0.4 of an hour.

Hope this helps.

Max

Lucky all the 6 figure UK Captains and high 5 figure co pilots currently in UK SAR will TUPE their salaries over then....why would pilots leave O&G for such a drop in salary?

I find that an amazing concept: is it really acceptable in the UK these days to dumb down your income? What if the pilot has a private income from investments, are they expected to take a commensurate salary drop?

Bizarre idea, IMO :ugh:

What a total nonsense policy! :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Will the pay scales then be supplemented with paramedic pay, island pay etc etc. these could be the basic pay bands from which things like pension are calculated but actual take home might be higher....or am I just being overly optimistic!

I do not believe that and if it was true it would not last two minutes in an industrial tribunal.

I have to agree. Total nonsense.

Also the Captain pay-scales are off and I don't see them introducing a 12 tier system when 20 years is currently in use.

That was way too easy. Sometimes I dont know how I sleep at night :E:E:E:E

Good catch: especially the later edit :ok:

C'mon chaps - the clue was when max con pointed to TC as winding people up!

It did work though - Daily Mail outrage abounds;)

At least MC wasted more of his time than I did.

Interesting that I only got bites from mil or ex mil. Why no bites from existing civ SAR crews that their seniority would be only worth 50% of equivilent mil time?? :p

Working for CHC they probably thought it was true.

Isn't it?

Crab: heard anything yet? :uhoh:

TC - the closing date for managed transition applications is 31 May - then Bristow HR have to do a load of sifting and decide who gets an interview. Those are expected in June/July with any job offers in late Autumn.

So the short answer is - no.

The only option for us in the mil is to trust Bristow and RAF/RN manning to get on with their plan - I believe there is a steering group to progress things in an orderly fashion but us coal face workers won't know anything until we are told.

As you can imagine, the managed transition is THE topic of conversation in crewrooms at the moment with all sorts of random (and usually uninformed) opinions being thrown in both from those in the mil and those without.

BBC Radio 4 - The Now Show, Series 40, Episode 3

SAR sketch starts at 5 minutes. :)

£7M new hangar at Newquay
 

Financial Redundancy Incentive for mil rearcrew
 

Apparently not enough experienced mil rearcrew applied for the Managed Path so the RAF is going to offer a tax-free golden goodbye of £50k to encourage SAR rearcrew to leave the military and join Bristow. This new scheme will be known as a Financial Redundancy Incentive and will benefit both the RAF, by getting rid of unnecessary NCA, and Bristow, who will now have a bigger cadre of experienced rearcrew to man their bases. The individuals will also be much better off!:ok:

Is it April the first again so soon! :D

Managed Transition?
 

Have any pruners caught wind of any MilSAR guys getting called up for interview yet?

That could probably explain why there were no crews at Lossie on the weekend. #offstate :-(

Looks like the first Bristow's S-92 for Stornoway is just about to touch down.:)

Good luck to those who have applied. I have applied, but so have another 6 people from the camp I am stationed, all for captains roles, and the majority with the same preference of location. I am not currently on a SAR base ; so add those to the current SAR guys applications and all the other ex SAR personnel that have probably been waiting for this for the last 10 years and Bristow have a very large pool of prospective employees to cherry pick from! Keeping everything crossed! Once again, good luck everyone!

Phoned Bristow HR recently and was given an estimate of late August for interviews/no thanks letters, seems to be taking awhile to sort.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...F8VHlwZT0z&t=1

Slide 25 shows training aircraft and operationl aircraft delivery timings. 189 for training arrives first (Q1 FY 15) followed by 92 for training (Q2 FY 15). Things starting to take shape.

Is this not the same information as was provided through the Bristow website some months ago but maybe along with a few up-to-date financial bits?

And it's worth noting that the FY dates are based on year ending 31st March, so Q1 FY 15 is actually the second quarter of calendar year 2014. This is not really news but exactly what one would expect.

That may explain why I was a bit confused. The Bristow docs dates all seemed a bit late, but the FY bit explains why they seem later than the dates specified by DFT.

Aye. It's a pity the document wasn't written in English.

;-)

Evening all,

Has anyone heard anything regarding their applications yet?

anotherpruner :)

UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
 

Thank you for the reply Flounder. I will just wait with baited breath for any news...

When is the AW189 due to be certified? Have the problems experienced when the 139 entered SAR service been eliminated in the enlarged model?

If we are lucky, Tallsar might come and give us the benefit of his knowledge of this matter now that he is no longer constrained by the dark forces.