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Nigel
I don't think that Peter was ex army. That is a "think" from a long time ago. |
Peter, Mike Burnett & myself were all ex army but I couldn't remember how Peter spelt his name but your excellent photos identified him for me. I had no idea he had been killed so long ago & even Chalky White passed on a while ago; all very sad. Where did you get all those photos??? I still have a good one of you in your Sunday whites on Albion's deck in HK, complete with your new sword!!:ok:
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I should like to see that one - privately as I was never an AM jockey. D |
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Agusta 109A I-MDVC attending Middle Wallop on 5th July 1984 (Photo: Don Hewins) Doubtless demonstrating in association with Mann's. As it happens I was at Wallop when Don took this image. |
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Agusta-Bell 206B JetRanger III G-VANG at the Mannstead in June 1982 (Photo: Wingnut) This Mann-supplied craft began life in June 1981 as G-BIZA then to G-VANG the following year when she signed-up to Skyhook. In 1986 she was bought by 'Hecray' Ltd (when she became G-HRAY) and was the following year bought by Aeromega who re-registered her as G-OMDR. A private message I recently received reads: I have read the AMH nostalga thread several times (with much enjoyment) and was wondering about Bob Baff. He was an excellent pilot and instructor and often flew the Bell 47G2 G-ARXH. This machine was owned by the Hon. Mrs Kidd, the grandmother of Jodie. Sadly, Bob died on the 10th Jan 2010. I first met him in 1958. The brown and gold colours referred to earlier were, IIRC, devised by an agency on the premise that they would instil confidence in the company, brown being a safe "earth" colour and gold for "riches". As TRC says they were awful. The gold was actually real gold leaf sealed with a hard wearing lacquer. I think I am right in saying that Bob Baff introduced Nicki Papadakis to Alan Mann and put up the money to purchase Fairoaks airfield from Doug Arnold who went on to buy Blackbushe, but that's another story. If Chris Hobbs is a Prune member he would know better than me. IIRC John Ackroyd-Hunt was an ex Royal Marine pilot along with Mark Lngford, he came from CSE. Johns death was reported in the Field or Shooting Times, I am unable to find the relevant copy, again IIRC he was demonstrating at a country fair and making a low level turn when a main blade struck the ground. G-BBKP at the time of the accident was owned by the late Viscount Portman, who had met Peter Faulkes in the Navy. The lady passengers' name I know but am reluctant to release because her husband is still alive. Some of the pilots I recall were : Nigel Thornton (ex Navy,) John Dicken Air Hanson, John Willis (ex Army,) Geoff Cox. Mike Somerton-Rayner (ex Army,) Chris Hunt (ex Army,) Danny Foreman (ex Army) he flew G-AVVH for David Brown, Aston Martin. How did Paul Midgeley die please? https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-K...52520logo2.png Andy Healey ExDesigner Geoffersincornwall LAS1997 NJT TRC VFR440 |
BIZA/VANG
Savoia.
Delivery of G-BIZA was taken for Vanguard at Frosinone on the 19th January 1982 and it arrived at Fairoaks on the 23rd. A trip short on daylight and in poor weather meant going the coastal route via Cannes and losing a day in Lyons in fog. The fact that it left the Agusta factory with a miserable battery also meant that a battery cart had to be sought for every start ... which did not help! |
Around the world Heli record 1996
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17 August 1996, Ron Bower and John Williams about to leave on their 'Around the world' record attempt. I think they still hold the record for a westerly (against the prevailing winds) trip. |
John Ackroyd-Hunt
What a splendid fellow. He was the HWI of 707 Squadron when I was the OFTO. He did much of his courting staying with us at Praa Sands. So many laughs. Such a sad end. I think that he was carrying a Honda 4 wheeled trike underslung when his blade hit a bit of a bank. I do not seem to still have a photograph of him, so if anyone has one would they post it to remind us of the old dog. David |
Nice shot of Greg Normans longranger behind that 430 :ok:
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Oh yes ! Didn't notice that. The great white shark, I guess he must have been at Wentworth.
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That photo of VANG must have been taken during Farnborough week 1982 or 84 - given the red/white Sunstrand sticker on the side and that it was registered VANG between February 1982 and April 1986
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Gosh I remember the Bell 430 Round the World flight.I persuaded them to take an extra passenger with them in the shape of Helix,a Bear from the Helicopter Museum,whom I retrieved safe and well upon their return.
He now lives in a box at the museum,complete with his own round the world certificate as the first bear to travel around the world by helicopter ! |
76Fan: Thanks for this info! Does this mean you served with Mann's for a time? If so, we'd love to hear more.
Heli1: You are going to have to post an image of Helix! Helihub wrote: .. given the red/white Sunstrand sticker on the side .. Of course if they had .. then this is how VANG may have looked ... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...ngvertiser.jpg "The Vangvertiser" .. or how Vanguard's 206 may have looked had they embraced a few more logos on their ship! :E For those who knew my godfather then they will also remember his aversion to advertising or company names on the airframes. I'm not sure if he would actually break-out into a rash when he saw what he considered as graffiti; perhaps something close to it! There were some at Ferranti who were at odds with him on this and, more than once, a Ferranti ship appeared (usually a Bolkow) with 'Ferranti Helicopters' painted on the side. Such apparitions were however generally short-lived for as soon as the Colonel sighted the indiscretion it was required to be returned to 'normal'. In the latter years I think the Colonel conceded with the yellow 105's (which were almost constantly involved in utility ops) and BATB (the ex-Rolls Royce corporate mount) was stamped with "Northern Lighthouse Board" for that contract. At least one Ferranti 206 wore the Plessey logo for about a year (negotiated down from an initial request to emblazon the Plessey name across the fuselage just for'ard of the tailboom and which the Colonel flatly refused). All great stuff! Of course had VANG's owners adopted a more Ferranti-esque approach to the appearance of their craft .. then she may have looked something like this .. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...52520Plain.jpg "The VANG" as she might have appeared in 'different' circumstances! |
G-AXAY
Here's a couple of shots of the elusive G-AXAY for Savoia (post 183)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6...b8b53d07_b.jpg G-AXAY is Alan Mann colours http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6...724987a9_b.jpg another shot of G-AXAY at Elstree 18.9.69 during ownership of Start Hill Plant Hire Co Ltd. (Pictures from Helipixman Collection) |
Ah Elipix .. how great to see you back! :ok:
And in such fine form doing what you do best .. pulling out of your Helipixman's Collection 'hat' hard or otherwise impossible-to-find-elsewhere images, lol, great stuff! Had been looking for a shot of G-AXAY for over a year. I mentioned (both in post 183 on this thread and elsewhere on the Ferranti Thread) the terrible tragedy which befell G-AXAY on 7th March 1974 when she literally broke apart in mid-air over Inkpen Hill, Hungerford. It was, to the best of my knowledge, the most dramatic (and obviously catastrophic) Bell 206 accident in UK rotary history at the time. The next 'most shocking' Bell 206 accident to occur (in the UK) would take place three years later on 15th May 1977 when a radio-less Tiger Moth (whose pilot had failed to read the Notam advising that the grass runway he was approaching at the Biggin Hill Air Fair was in fact closed to operations) flew into the main rotors of Ferranti's G-AVSN killing Hugh Lovett and his four passengers. My godfather never really got over this incident and bemoaned the loss of his beloved pilot for the remainder of his career somehow managing to find cause to blame himself for the events of that day and which, of course, was utter nonsense. G-AXAY was the 32nd 206 to be registered in the UK (in March 1969) and, as Helipix mentioned, was assigned to Start Hill Plant Hire of Bishop's Stortford. In June 1971 she was transferred to 'Camlet Helicopters' - another British rotary firm I've never heard of before .. and it was while under their tenure (presumably leased to Manfred Mann) that she met her demise. The photo which the inimitable 'Elipix' showcased is almost certainly taken in July of 1973 when, I suspect, Mann's were running AXAY into the International Air Tattoo at Greenham Common. In a picture of ill-fated doom, sitting behind G-AXAY in Helipixman's shot is a Ferranti JetRanger (although not G-AVSN but G-AWJW which was attending the same event at Greenham in '73). The yellow overalls of Ferranti's ground crew are just visible and would doubtless have meant that they were 'at hand' to enforce the Colonel's standard requirement that no Ferranti-craft be permitted to fly anywhere at any time unless it epitomised his ideal of constant cleanliness! The Colonel had a long list of 'no no's' which basically precluded the aircraft from being released for operational duty in anything other than showroom condition! |
B206 @ Biggin Air Fair
Just a titbit to add to the sad accident at the 1977 Biggin Air Show.
I was unfortunate to witness this accident at close hand being parked 'rotors turning' at the then 03 runway threshold awaiting my turn to display ... (Enstrom G-PALS or G-BENO I think.) I watched with some concern as the Ferranti G-AVSN with four passengers went light on its skids and promptly lifted into the path of a 'short final' Tiger Moth. At about 50 feet, the Bell's M/R blades smacked into the Tiger Moth's landing gear removing both wheels one of which flew toward the crowd line approximately 30 yards from the Bell's lift-off position. The Bell's M/R head and blade assembly catastrophically separated from the cabin which also impacted fairly close to the crowd line. In their respectrive positions, the Tiger Moth pilot would not have been able to see the Bell 206 beneath his mainplanes - similarly the Bell would not have been able to see the Moth above. I have to say that a 90 degree 'clearing turn' would have prevented the collision and in fact in training I now cite this accident to emphasise the importance of the 'look-out' turn prior to lift-off .... and as an aside, not ... "to check the approach is clear" but to note "conflicting traffic on the approach." This, on the basis that one invariably sees what one 'expects to see.' On a subsequent LPC training flight when a well known champion motor bike pilot failed to make the clearing turn ... I recall yelling as he transitioned: ... "Stop this f-cking helicopter." I'd like to think my use of the F word ensured the lesson in look-out was learned. Regards to all. Dennis Kenyon. |
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Alan Mann's G-BBEU arrives at Farnborough on 9th September 1976 Some comments relating to BBEU from the Nostalgia Thread: Savoia wrote: G-BBEU (a Bell) was delivered to Ben Turner Helicopters in August '73. From Ben Turner she moved on to Heli-Air then to Alan Mann in '75. In January '78 she was bought from Mann's by International Messengers, a courier company founded by Andrew Walters, a friend to my godfather who later went on to order a new Agusta-built 206, G-OIML. In July '81 Hanson's bought BBEU and about a year later she was exported to Uganda (via Autair) to become 5X-MIA. There she flew with the Uganda Police Air Wing until, as with every rotorcraft they have ever owned, she crashed during operational flying duties. TRC wrote: The roof was changed due to suspected honeycombe delamination as per the Bell rep. It was decided to build a jig at Fairoaks rather than send the fuselage to Sweden (I think). During the 6 months or so that it took to sort the jig out, EU sat in the corner getting steadily smaller as the duty ‘Christmas Tree’. We cut various bits out of the old roof after it was replaced but it seemed sound – oh well! |
Barratt Developments A109 G-HELY has featured previously on this thread but this is, to the best of my knowledge, the first time an image of G-BEKH has cropped-up.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q...%252520206.jpg Barratt Developments Agusta-Bell 206B JetRanger II G-BEKH BEKH was delivered to Barratt in January 1977 and remained with them until sold to WR Finance in 1981. In 1987 the craft was exported to France where she was to fly as F-GFDO. While in the Barratt stable BEKH experienced a turbine rotor burst on 11th December 1980. An extract from the accident report reads: "The accident occurred during a private flight immediately after take-off from a helipad in the central area of Dundee. There was an explosion in the engine and, with loss of power, the helicopter settled back onto the helipad. A limited fire was extinguished by the pilot and neither he nor his passengers sustained any injuries. The report concludes that the first stage turbine wheel became disengaged, oversped and burst due to the failure, in fatigue, of a tie-bolt clamping it to the second stage turbine and compressor drive. The reason for the development of fatigue was not conclusively established but evidence is presented which suggests that the manufacturers should re-assess the loads sustained by the tie-bolt. Recommendations are also made concerning the vulnerability of the Bell 206 and other helicopters to secondary damage and fire following an un-contained engine failure." Does anyone recall who flew BEKH for Barratt? |
Who flew G-BEKH?
Can't say conclusively, but a very nice chap by the name of Terry ... paid me a tenner to clean the Barratt Twin Squirrel, circa 1984. He had just flown in for a day or two, and I was then working as an aircraft handler for Bond in Aberdeen . Any wage supplement was greatly received!
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The logo on the hangar 'Alan Mann Helicopters' visible in some of the preceding photos was painted out some weeks ago along with the logo for the engineering arm of AMG and the airport name on the larger hangar next door.
We don't know what is to replace it. There are still some smaller signs extant both airside and car park side referring to Alan Mann Helicopters but I dare say they will go soon. |
GAMA are there in charge it seems to me. It'll all be replaced in due course, I'm sure. Probably a MUCH better outcome than the invidious deliberations of BBCC, wouldn't you agree? Lots of activity down at Hangar adjacent to the old police hangar too :confused: VFR
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Increasing activity near the old police hangar - I couldn't possibly comment.
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Some Alan Mann adverts from the 80's
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G-XXIV
I think the helicopter landing in 50m of fog was a new dark grey B206 flown by a certain Doctor Death....
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Agreed - about par for the course (PPL) - VFR
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I think the helicopter landing in 50m of fog was a new dark grey B206 flown by a certain Doctor Death .. G-NOEL We've looked at 'NOEL' on Nostalgia but she belongs of course here, on the Mann Thread, and today with the addition of a new image from one of our Mann Thread photographic contributors - Wingnut: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B...iroaksanet.jpg G-NOEL on the ramp at Fairoaks c. June 1980 (Photo: Courtesy of Wingnut) TRC wrote: I had the 'pleasure' of conducting the 1200hr inspection that turned 'WN into 'EL. Complete with painting the instrument panel and circuit breaker panel a light beige to match the new interior (and having all the edge-lit and breaker panels re-engraved) what a nightmare. G-NOEL (as BCWN) prior to her refit https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r...owter%2529.jpg Agusta-Bell 206B G-RODS at Brands Hatch on 8th October 1985 (Photo: Keith Sowter) 'NOEL' (flying as RODS) after TRC's handiwork including new interior, colour-coded pop-outs, wire strike protection kit and of the course the painted instrument panel! . https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s...%2520logo2.jpg 'Wingnut' (the man behind the lens of several of our best Manfred Mann images) has today advised me that we are soon to be treated to some more shots from an 80's Fairoaks! :ok: |
I would love to see a photo of said panel or similar so I can work out what took so much work...
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Brilliant; as luck would have it I do happen to have a shot of G-NOEL's overhead panel (see below):
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-D...%253B%2529.jpg Now in all fairness to TRC this was a non-standard 206 ceiling panel (which I think TRC ordered specially from Agusta) and was the result of the additional options which Noel wanted to be fitted to his craft. As a result the repainting and re-etching must, one imagines, have been a time consuming affair. However, to put the challenge of this job into its true perspective it is necessary to understand the 'hangar antics' developed by VFR and TRC during their time at the Mannstead. Umm, how can I put this .. well, I'm not sure but here's short clip which might help explain: You know that I love you really TRC! ;) |
Thanks Savoia. That is indeed a raaaaaaather large panel.:D:D:D:D
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Rumours about that AMH may yet do the 'phoenix' trick under another name/owner/operator for training.
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What a great thread this is.
I worked for Alan Mann Avionics from 1973 to 1976. I then changed career. I admit this was a money driven decision.... But look back on my Fairoaks years as the most interesting part of my career. In those days Fairoaks control twr (130.45Mhz) was a large "greenhouse" located up a bit from the Helicopter Hanger/Offices. A few of my memories.- There was a Blue Brantley that was brought out of the hanger for occasional engine runs. I don't think it was ever flown. G-Axay I remember when the accident happened... Inkpen Ridge. I saw the radio remains being investigated... Looking to see if it was powered up ie were the panel lights filaments stretched... and what frequency was it set on comms and nav. This was in the days of old fashioned dials with a number appearing in a small window.... No Leds. G-Axay yellow tail was dumped behind the car park for a long time. I remember in the Helicopter offices there was a large air to air picture of an English Electric Lightning climbing vertically and was told the pilot was Bob Baff. There was an arrival of a Black B206 that had a small bullet hole in it's chin window. I was told the helicopter had been imported from the USA and may have flown Frank Sinatra. For a few days an AMH helicopter was flying around the airfield with a radio controlled model helicopter flying alongside. This was in preparation for an advertising stunt on behalf of the model maker. The model was to cross the channel controlled from the full size helicopter flying alongside/nearby. When the control tower moved to it's present location I installed the radio, and also installed a Narco (I think) in the new yellow Crash Truck. Finally I was working on a bell 47G (Intermittent headphone sockets Nato type I think)... and Peter Faulkes opened the door on the other side, and asked me how it was going and would it be ready for the afternoon. He was such a nice friendly person, always used/knew first name. Later that day I was given the bad news of the crash of G-BBKP. Attached is a scan from the Daily Express Friday March 21st 1975. If anyone has the contact details for John Birchell a colleague I used to work with at Mann Avionics would they let me know in a PM. Thanks. PC http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7...rsionsmall.jpg |
PC: A very warm welcome to the Mann Thread. Great to have another ex-Alan Manner with us and to be briefed on some of the details you have provided.
Unfortunately (maybe its just my set-up) but I am unable to view the article you posted and which I have to say is often the case with either Photobucket or Imageshack. I think Flickr is the preferred photo hosting site by PPRuNe (there are some technical reasons apparently) although nearly all my material is on Picasa (due to their image editing software). PPRuNe does not have any preferred image hosting site. Any viewing issue is likely to be with individual computers or networks, although Google/Picasa can be difficult due to the security aspect of their hosting := Splot Well, I shall be relying of VFR, TRC, Geoffers and others to help fill-in the gaps .. especially about the blue Brantly and the black bullet-ridden 206! Brgds Sav |
pc: I remember the 'old' tower from my first visit to Fairoaks many years ago. The 'new' one is still in use but the frequency has changed to 123.425; main radio is now an Icom with a Narco 120 as backup.
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your request for JB info
Hi PC, i do have contact details for John Burchell but I am a little reluctant to supply these freely. Maybe you could contact me outside pprune and introduce yourself. Not wanting to appear to be fussy but disclosing other peoples contact details is something i think should be handled with due consideration. Look forward to your reply. TTFN. Exdesigner.
Sorry guys. Being a bit of a numpty :confused: I didnt understand what the PM bit in pc's message meant but with some help I have worked it out. I have now sent a Personal Message to him so things should be getting sorted. |
Thank you for replying.
I have sent an email to the address you've given... please look out as it may be diverted to your junk mail. It starts with my Amateur Ham call sign G4P** I included some memories John may recognise to prove "I'm genuine". I wonder if any staff remember the BBQ Alan Mann put on one summers evening down at the bottom of the airfield. There was a big bonfire and a raffle with some incredible prizes.... It was a lovely summers evening/night. Another memory...... of the Goodyear Airship Europa arriving... We saw it in the distance.... then about an hour later it was still coming in!!!!! Bit of a strong headwind. It was good fun assisting with the lines. Such great memories of a great place to work. Apologies for drifting off the helicopter subject. |
I remember the BBQs at the blister hangar on the south side. Good times.
Fairoaks in the seventies and early eighties was a great place to work - good social life, helicopter div dining club, cricket team, a good bar on Friday nights. Then we were woken up. |
Hi.
Just catching up on this thread, most interesting. Savoia...re the picture of G-BEKH of Barrett's on 29 dec 2011, the pilot was Martin Burgin who also flew the 1st Agusta 109 delivered to a UK owner. MB was also famed for the TV advert for Barrett's showing him flying the Jetranger through a brick wall, ( polystyreen ) |
PC mentioned a blue Brantly in Mann's hangar which hardly ever flew and was brought out for engine runs - does anyone remember this craft?
Similarly PC mentions a black 206 which had a bullet hole in the chin perspex and that the same craft may have flown 'Old Blue Eyes' .. any recollections? Of Sinatra, he did fly with Ferranti of that I am certain. Hatters: Thank you for the information on BEKH - one would love to see again the ad you refer to, I remember it well. I've never heard of Martin Burgin though - would be interested to learn a little more about him. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-i...ogo2%2520s.jpg As promised, some additional shots from Fairoaks photographer Wingnut: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1.../s720/LOCK.jpg Agusta-Bell 206B III G-LOCK at the Mannstead c.1980 We have discussed G-TPTR on previous pages but .. she did of course begin life as G-LOCK, owned by Lovaux of Bracknell in Berkshire who bought her in October of 1979. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-n.../s720/NEWS.jpg Bell 206B III G-NEWS at the Mannstead c.1980 (G-BGGX in the background) Whether this was the black 206 to which PC refers I do not know. She was imported from the US however (being of Bell and not Agusta manufacture). NEWS was bought by Peter Press of Wallingford, Oxfordshire in November 1978. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...720/N18097.jpg Bell 206L N18097 at the Mannstead c.1980 I have tried to obtain some background on this craft but have failed to do so. I initially thought this may have been G-HBUS but it is not. Furthermore, her US registration seems to be attributed to more than one serial number and which is obviously confusing. |
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