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Compressor seizure - Can be caused by corrosion under the top hat section which holds the compressor stator vanes in place. Have seen it occur in flight where the stator vanes will "lathe" the compressor hub through and basically the hub collapses followed by the complete compressor. Have seen this on a "new" Bell 206. Associated large bang and TOT normally "pegs out" at the max. See here N1 lock up - usually on a newly overhauled turbine caused by N1 turbine tip rub. On a hot start just as you are about to light off the N1 section will seize. Not much to worry about, just wait until it cools down and it will free up and you can start it again. Standard procedure until it knocks the high spots off. Best part is the look on the pilot's face! See N2 lock up - caused by carbon build up on the labyrinth seals on the PT wheels. Can be knocked off by turning rotor backwards. Normally an oil type problem and/or cool down procedure. Carbon buildup - The drain from the forward N1 turbine bearing is through one of the support struts. If not allowed to cool sufficiently (relative term) the oil will coke in the strut and the bearing cavity will flood and the oil that normally flows through the strut now goes out through the labyrinth seals onto the face of the turbine wheel. Not good. Hot turbine wheels do not like quenching with cold oil. Good chance of wheel failure and exit from engine.:eek: |
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RVDT: Many thanks for that helpful explanation. :ok: G-AZRU has cropped-up before on the Nostalgia Thread (wearing Dollar's colours) and it was intimated that she served as the personal transport to James Hanson for many-a-year under the 'pilotage' of Patrick McHaffey. RU was supplied to Hanson by Mann's in March 1972 and seems to have worn the colours below throughout her time with them. In August of 1980 she was bought by Thruxton's Heliwork and the following year by Dollar Air Services. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/__...cholson%29.jpg AgustaBell 206B JRII G-AZRU at Blackbushe in 1976 (Photo: Peter Nicholson) Sav |
G-BCVZ aka EI-BIJ has moved on. Although I don't have the details, I know it went to France, Bordeaux region, I believe in 2009.
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Registered F-HCRI, 26-01-2010 to Giragri 17 SAS, 17460 Thenac.
from the French register. G-BCVZ, New to Camlet Helicopters Ltd, 29-01-1975 to 14-03-1975 to Alan Mann Helicopters Ltd., 14-03-1975 to 28-01-1980 then to Eire 28-01-1980. |
Social duties only
Good day all. Not interested in reg numbers but up for a party. Did I miss anything?
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Andy, am planning to meet up with ex-Mann'ers TRC, VRF440 and perhaps also NJT for a wee snifter or two on my next visit to Blighty. But there are probably other get-togethers of ex-Mann personel, perhaps the Savage would know. Sav |
G-AZRU together with G-AVVH became EI-BES and EI-BEV respectively and were operated by Airwork Ireland during the sprraying season of 1978. BEV was lost in a bucket slinging incident in Wicklow and was replaced by EI-BHE which was purchased in Belgium.
Happy days but unfortunately the farming community was not ready for us and the company subsequently was folded and the machines returned to The UK. When I figure out how to do it I will post some photos of BEV and BES in their crow spraying regalia. |
Captain Savage
Talked to GS this am, Sav, and he pointed me here. Something must be done, ideally at the 4 SHoes (if it's still there). One summer evening, anyone?
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G-RODS
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Formerly G-NOEL and prior to that G-BCWN this Alan Mann supplied 206 was once flown by PPRuNers Long Box and Paco. With Paco, according to Dennisimo, the cyclic came off in his hand while performing the full freedom of movement check prior to start-up! Another PPRuNer involved with this craft was TRC who helped transform the ship from BCWN to NOEL. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/__...20Slade%29.jpg AgustaBell 206B JetRanger II G-RODS at Dunsfold on 14th June 1986. (Photo: Kevin Slade) As an aside, the last recorded commercial movement at Heston Aerodrome (a 'farewell flight' for CAA staff) was performed by this craft on 6th June 1978 when she was G-BCWN. Sav |
G-NEL / RODs delivery
And me, S. On the morning of the (hi-vis) hand-over to Noel, fuelling completed, the water drain was done (of course), And the elecric drain-valve stuck, dribbling fuel endlessly on to the hardstanding. All normal efforts of trying to stop it doing so were to no avail. So it was me who 'volunteered' to change the valve, in situ, since insufficient time to defuel. Which I achieved OK, but at the time of the ceremonial title claim (Press, photos and all that stuff) I was in the shower dowsing myself with lots of hot water to get rid of the couple of gallons of Jet A-1 which engulfed me when I removed the duff valve and fitted the replacement. :E
Only done this once before in Canada - frankly I don't care if I never do another one. Jet A-1 around the nether regions creates a burning sensation you never forget. Subsequently Noel found out about this 'hiccup' and at Christmas a Harrods van turned up at our house with a hamper - which was as welcome as it was unexpected, and very much appreciated. Good chap and very nice gesture :ok: More memories!!! - VFR |
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Another Rotorhead involved with this craft, well done VFR! All normal efforts of trying to stop it doing so were to no avail. Never really had much to do with this ship. When she was owned by Noel I saw her once while pulling out of Brooklands in the Towers 206L. Noel was hovering about the field with a bucket dangling beneath him no doubt practicing for one of the helicopter trials. In the days when Edmonds was driving her she used to wear SONY titles on the forward cowling. Sav ps: Yes, Jet A does sting a bit if you don't wash it off. Back in my PNG flying days there were a couple of contracts where one had to self-fuel in certain locations and, on occasion, while folding the pump away the hose would offer its final contents over my fabric boots. By the end of the day one's foot would be bright red with flakes of skin falling off. All great stuff of course - when one was young! |
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-n...ber%252529.jpg Bell 206L1 belonging to Agusta SpA demonstrating at Cranfield on 8th September 1979 wearing Manfred's sticker on her forward door and shadowed by a Manfred 206 in the background. (Photo: Ray Barber) This originally Agusta-owned Bell 206L1 was one of the first LongRangers in the UK after Ferranti's G-BFAL. Alan Mann operated I-CDVM (above) for about a year between '82 and '83 when the craft was registered as G-BKGG prior to being returned to Italy. Out of curiosity .. did Agusta ever manufacture the 206L? My understanding is that they did but .. I have never seen one! |
206L
anybody got any pics of BKGG then ?
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Fondly remembered news report of an incident at Fairoaks involving G-OAMG, one of the Mann helis......
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Intriguing! I'm afraid the whole 'sheep dog flies 206 under instruction from shepherd at Fairoaks control tower' seems to have passed me by! Any elaborations warmly welcome. http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/150/...ou-d37mkwq.jpg |
ZE411
ZE411 109 from 8 Flight Army Air Corps (used to support 22SAS). I believe were refurbished at Alan Mann after being brought back from Falkland Islands.
Yellow one taken at Netheravon and in blue was at Heathrow - note no reg. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/62/19...92a31fa4_m.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5065/...df800ac3_m.jpg |
The Day Today
Sav, it was a spoof news item on this brilliant Chris Morris piss-take of CNN and its endless appetite for stories. Prob 1986. Al Davis flew and Adrian Munday was in the tower (can't remember the other ATCO's name or recognise the shephard). I was languishing in hospital at the time or would surely have claimed the job -- I'm a much better actor than AD.
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AH: Thanks for that! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U...ale%252529.jpg Bell 206L1 G-DALE at Biggin Hill in July 1989 (Photo: Bill Teasdale) Another Mann-supplied early model 206L was the ubiquitous G-HBUS originally sold in November 1980 to loyal-Mann-client Willowbrook International. In '82 she moved on to another Mann client the Toleman Group (doubtless replacing their AB206 G-TPTR [formerly G-LOCK]). Evidently while with Toleman she suffered at least one (perhaps two) engine failures while hover-taxiing! In '89 she is then sold to Dalend Ltd. and re-registered as G-DALE prior to being shipped back to the US in January 1990. Despite her ubiquity there seem to be precious few images of HBUS! |
G-DALE
G-DALE became N720B of Omega Aviation based in Dublin, where it still remains to this day.
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TPTR
Toleman Power Toleman Racing (dragged from the recesses) was written off in Cyprus I believe in 86.
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G-TPTR
In October '79 Manfred Mann took delivery of one of the first AgustaBell 206B III's in the UK, G-LOCK, which went to client Lovaux in Bracknell.
Two years later the craft was sold to the Toleman Group in Brentwood when I think she sported a blue, white and orange motif and was re-registered as G-TPTR. A year after acquiring TPTR Toleman's traded-up to a 206L (G-HBUS) as mentioned on the previous page whereupon Mann's took her back and returned her to their black and yellow livery. As has been mentioned previously (especially in the conversations surrounding G-FILM) and in the better days, Mann's had a fair slice of the UK filming business including their participation in the making of 'The Whistleblower' [1986] (some sort of spy film which I have never seen). https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...elicopter1.jpg Alan Mann's AB206B III G-TPTR landing at what I assume is Cheltenham racecouse c. 1985 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-H...elicopter2.jpg The actor Gordon Jackson trots away from TPTR after the landing Are there any ex-Alan-Mann'ers willing to give-up the identity of the driver? |
I am aware that G-FILM was ex Irish Helicopters EI-AUI. Dont suppose you remember how many airframe hours it had racked up at the point it became G-FILM? Just curious. Flew in it a few times mysaelf way back when it was in Irish Service.
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The driver of 'TR appears to be a small young chap, so it might be our erstwhile Andy Healey; and if he reads this he needs to get his logbook out and check! :uhoh: And if it wasn't him it might have been Dick something-or-other, who was also well known for arranging suppers-for-all at local eateries. Amd I cannot for the life of me remember his surname :ugh:(so tell me bout growing older) but, again, TRC is younger than me (well not a lot) but HE will ~ VFR |
Andy,
TPTR came to grief at one of the motor testing tracks in the UK - can't remember which one. Are you thinking of BIZB that ended its days on Corfu? VFR, The pilot looks small in that pic because the stupid actor didn't shut the door and he's having to lean across and try to close it. I don't think it's our own AH, and it's not Dick Ball either,he had a dark beard - it might be Larry Marlow perhaps.... |
BIZB
You're right TRC, my mistake. I picked up BIZB in Italy with Gary Savage in Nov'82, my first foray to the continent as a civvie. I've just opened my logbook for the first time in 20 years and several subsequent pages find me taking its owner, Martin Butler, from his Herts home into Trig Lane. Now that was a chin-window approach.
As for the pic, not me. I had that Bobby Davro in the back of my helicopter, once. I've always wanted to say that. |
Anyone remember Brian Danger who flew for the old man Ferranti from his gaff in Ireland ?
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Am starting to receive some rather good AMH images now. These received today courtesy of celebrated Airliners photographer 'Wingnut'. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w...nut%252529.jpg Barratt Developments Agusta A109A at Fairoaks in June 1980 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-h...nut%252529.jpg Anglian Windows Agusta A109A at Fairoaks in April 1981 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y...nut%252529.jpg Agusta SpA A109A MkII I-DACD visiting the 'Fair Oaks' in September 1982 en-route to Italia after the Farnborough show |
Brian Danger
Re post #106 - Brian Danger. That really is gnawing at the grey cells. I met Brian on a couple of occasions in, I think, Inverness in the early/mid 1970's when he was crop spraying. Wasn't he the guy who had an engine failure in a RAF Whirlwind out in the Far East, was picked out of a jungle clearing by another Whirlwind which then crashed as well, caught fire, and Brian was badly burned? Or have I totally lost the plot and that was someone else.....?
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After that I think I would have changed my name.
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M...son%252529.jpg Agusta 109 MkII (or C) VR-CCK at Castle Donington in 1992 (Photo: Geoff Davidson) Due to its Cayman registration securing details of Tarmac's corporate mount is a little cumbersome. She was evidently imported from the US so I'm not even sure whether Mann's were involved .. though I suspect they probably were. Does anyone happen to know in which year AMH lost the Agusta distributorship? |
Tarmac
Derek Mann (no relation) flew it and AMH looked after it. Don't recall when they lost Agusta but they won Bell at the same time.
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1994? (though I am certain someone will correct me if I am wrong) - VFR
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-m...%252520HPC.jpg G-HBUS (Photo courtesy of the Helipixman Collection) Any offers as to where and when this image may have been taken? |
The Full Monty
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...iroaksanet.jpg The UK's first five Agusta 109's. L-R: G-UPVC, G-OAMH, G-WEST, G-HWBK, G-HELY (Photo courtesy of Wingnut) https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...g.%2525202.jpg Old man Mann with John Whitmore at the 2005 Rally Revival meeting |
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Savoia - your HBUS photo sort of reminds me of the Derby at Epsom given the proximity of the double-decker bus. The loud-shouter on the scaffold could be right for that too??
Tarmac 109 - they flew this for some time as N109JD before it went to VR-CCK then VP-CCK when Cayman changed prefix. Think I'm right saying the boss at Essington Hall (Tarmac HQ) changed and 109 soon thereafter disposed of to Spain Here's memory of some other 109s - a pearlised white brought in new for a pharma(?) company based in Isleworth and I think the reg was N109##. This was a cancelled order from Australia or NZ (or even purchaser died before delivery?) and did not last long in UK - another NZ link, no relation to above as far as I know, a really early one serial 7122 brought in from NZ as ZK-HBC (white and dark blue?) then painted all black as VR-CCO, flew little then stored in the back of the main fixed wing residents hangar with two blades removed to put it right against the back wall. had a couple of dark red stripes and a logo - like an Red Indian chief's head I think... - N109AB - the John Laing one which later became G-JLCY "Juicy Lucy" http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1161849M.jpg |
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Helihub thanks! :ok: Epsom Downs it is then as photographer 'Wingnut' (who has been supplying many of the recent 'Mann images') said: "I think this was probably taken at the Epsom Derby 1981-2." Thanks also for the Laing 109 - had been searching for this. I remember seeing their 355 at the same hangar when collecting G-OIML for a charter sometime in the early 80's. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6...g%25252079.jpg One of Mann's ad's (from Flight '79). The ad makes reference to a 'Philip Greig' which is a new name to me https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7...iroaksanet.jpg Bell 206B G-BKEW at Fairoaks. (Photo courtesy of Wingnut) I know very little about BKEW other than that she seems to have been looked after by Mann's. She was registered to a Norman Foster in '82 and sometime thereafter seems to have been shipped-off to Germany. One sees that G-ESAL is tucked-away in the hangar - seem to remeber Mark Langford coming up to Tilson Hall (the home of Alton Towers founder John Broome) c. 1982 with this aircraft but, by then John had already acquired an LII. |
G-BKEW
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G-BKEW is still on the register , registered 08/07/1982 , ex D-HDAD, still with Norman Foster, think she is now in a light grey colour scheme. WA |
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Welcome back Wigan! You are quite right, BKEW was imported from Germany as opposed to being exported there! This throws-up an interesting observation in that there are now two or three craft involved with Mann's which seem to have come by way of Deutschland: Peter Cadbury's D-HMAC which became G-CHOC in 1977 Charles Hughesdon'd D-HJFF which became G-BTWA in 1978 Norman Foster's D-HDAD which became G-BKEW in 1982 I have to admit that I'm not entirely sure as to whether Mann's were involved with HJFF/BTWA (the craft oft chartered by Estepo) for even though Hughesdon kept his craft with Mann's in the 70's it would seem as though he had moved to Hanson's by the early 80's. Aside perhaps from someone at Mann's having an association with a German dealer one imagines that the number of German imports was simply down to their 206 population which, I am guessing, was one of the largest outside of the UK? During the 70's Mann's must have sold more single-turbine civilian helicopters in the UK than anyone else and it would be no surprise to discover that they may have needed to supplement their Agusta-stock with craft from elsewhere. The Alton Towers LongRanger was also an ex-German craft (D-HBBZ) but I think this came in via CSE - Paco would know. |
Re post #106 - Brian Danger. Wasn't he the guy who had an engine failure in a RAF Whirlwind out in the Far East, was picked out of a jungle clearing by another Whirlwind which then crashed as well, caught fire, and Brian was badly burned? Or have I totally lost the plot and that was someone else.....? |
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